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Posted by Thomas Chan Yeu Wai > 2022-06-17 09:00 | Report Abuse

Nice article on the concept of dividends leading to cheaper holding costs. Had never look at it this way before.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 10:33 | Report Abuse

Yes Thomas
this dividend concept and the long term holding to average down of investment was first told to me by Johor Sifu a decade ago

he said buy an "X" company say Rm1.00

and if this year it gives a 10 sen dividend then the holding cost will drop from Rm1.00 to 90 sen

and if the following year it receives another 15 sen dividend it will be

90 sen - 15 sen

= 75

so by receiving high dividends for few more years then the holding cost will drop

to 60 sen
50 sen
40 sen

until zero cost due to capital return from dividend, special dividend and cash payout

After many years all shares are FOC (FREE OF CHARGE)

AND HE STILL RECEIVE GOOD DIVIDENDS FOR LIFE

PLUS IF HE REINVESTED ALL HIS DIVIDENDS AND COMPOUND IT HE WILL SEE HIS WEALTH MULTIPLY

THIS IS WHAT ALBERT EINSTEIN SAID COMPOUNDING INTEREST IS THE 8TH WONDER IN THE WORLD

I heard he turned Rm2 millions into Rm20 millions by long term investing

that was one decade ago and imagine how much more his investment has snowballed

BLee

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Posted by BLee > 2022-06-17 11:38 | Report Abuse

@Thomas Chan Yeu Wai: Nice article on the concept of dividends leading to cheaper holding costs. Had never look at it this way before.

BLee: Hi @Thomas Chan Yeu Wai, agreed on the concept, but only half the truth..
Question: Where did the dividend money come from? Usually profit making companies can afford to give dividends, that's one plus point in investing in such companies. The dividend is usually from this profit and the share price will be adjusted accordingly…
Growth companies usually don't give good dividends, reserved money for growth purposes…

Happy trading and TradeAtYourOwnRisk

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 11:40 | Report Abuse

Raymond

Thank you for the kind words

Calvin never claim to be a professional financial adviser

Actually Calvin is a life long student learning from everybody

And it is my duty to tell facts and truth. Though not all turn out as i hoped but still i happy to see more that is right side than wrong side

BLee

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Posted by BLee > 2022-06-17 12:13 | Report Abuse

@calvintaneng: Actually Calvin is a life long student learning from everybody


And it is my duty to tell facts and truth. Though not all turn out as i hoped but still i happy to see more that is right side than wrong side

BLee: Hi Uncle @calvintaneng, I am also learning from you and everybody else. Since you mentioned hope "to see more that is right side than wrong side"; very much like to highlight that biodiesel is now commercially available from recycled cooking oil of all types.

Link: https://www.wikihow.com/Prepare-Used-Cooking-Oil-for-Biodiesel

https://www.amafiltration.com/casestudies/upcycling-used-cooking-oil-into-biodiesel-with-the-cricketfilter-filtration-system/?gclid=CjwKCAjwqauVBhBGEiwAXOepkcTT6zDeJ3sRnJT4mPenoJL4j2Sa8hQ1JQmPgivXknL40bfTm0vHKBoCfvgQAvD_BwE

And only Palm oil from seedlings to fruit bearing required a long gestation period, others plants and flowers oil a very much shorter planting period. That is another half truth..

Happy trading and TradeAtYourOwnRisk

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-06-17 12:27 | Report Abuse

In my limited experience, the sectors for dividends will always be finance, consumer and property (including REITs). These 3 are the building blocks of any country. Interest rate may change, consumer prices and subsequent stinginess or demand to buy may change and owning properties (for own use and recurrent income) are bedrocks

Buy what very few can create

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 12:56 | Report Abuse

Blee

Palm oil takes longer to grow from planting to first drop of cooking oil is 4 to 5 years and after that it will still produce fruit

palm oil can last up to 25 years before the need for replanting

Both Sunflower, Soybean and canola are flowering shrubs or legumes and will all be cut down each and every year which need replanting

that is why their cost of fertilizer and high diesel prices will impact their cost more

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 13:00 | Report Abuse

palm oil can withstand both flooding and heat

last year heat destroyed canola crops of Canada while floods in NSW Australia impacted the quality of canola there

also drought decimated the soybean crops of paraquay, Brazil parana and Argentina

this year again climate by la Nina is recurring again

BLee

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Posted by BLee > 2022-06-17 13:23 | Report Abuse

@calvintaneng: Palm oil takes longer to grow from planting to first drop of cooking oil is 4 to 5 years and after that it will still produce fruit

BLee: Hi Uncle @calvintaneng, I am using the word "gestation" meaning "return of investment" (ROI) only after "birth" and "delicate care" after years only can see the "fruits" of labour. How much money needs to be spent? Fast rotation means fast ROI.
Which is better? I prefer the "cash crop"...

Happy trading and TradeAtYourOwnRisk

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2022-06-17 13:32 | Report Abuse

Another advantages of palm oil are it needs less than half the land required by other crops (such as sunflower, soybean or rapeseed) to produce the same amount of oil. This makes palm oil the least expensive vegetable oil in the world.

https://askrspo.force.com/s/article/Why-is-palm-oil-so-popular

StingRay

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Posted by StingRay > 2022-06-17 13:33 | Report Abuse

you will need to take into consideration of increase cost for fertilizer and labour cost. currently, there are more countries planting palm tree as well. not only Indonesia but India and South Amerika.

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2022-06-17 13:34 | Report Abuse

Another advantages of palm oil are it needs less than half the land required by other crops (such as sunflower, soybean or rapeseed) to produce the same amount of oil. This makes palm oil the least expensive vegetable oil in the world.

https://askrspo.force.com/s/article/Why-is-palm-oil-so-popular

Posted by Thomas Chan Yeu Wai > 2022-06-17 14:02 | Report Abuse

@BLee: agreed is half the truth based on adjusted share price once it goes EX. Just finding some comfort based on the recent sharp drop in KLCI. Using leverage at the moment and at times, dividends received used to cover a portion of amount owed to investment bank. I just have to cover the monthly interest payments until amount owed is fully repaid by dividends + certain amount of cash top ups.

BLee

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Posted by BLee > 2022-06-17 14:31 | Report Abuse

@StartOfTheBull: Another advantages of palm oil are it needs less than half the land required by other crops (such as sunflower, soybean or rapeseed) to produce the same amount of oil. This makes palm oil the least expensive vegetable oil in the world.

BLee: Hi @StartOfTheBull, as mentioned earlier, I am happy Palm Oil price is very profitable now.
Countries which have plenty of cheap and idling land are suitable for agriculture planting, land in Indonesia and Malaysia should be a non-issue. (Observed South Korea and Japan making full use of idling land by the road side and under elevated highway for planting!!, hope to see that in Malaysia due to the food crisis..)
Did the calculation of Palm Oil, the least expensive vegetable oil in the world, factor in the upkeep planting from seedlings to produce the first drop of oil? I doubt it…

Happy trading and TradeAtYourOwnRisk

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 16:08 | Report Abuse

these are the facts

Steve Wong has compiled a total of 77 sen for Bplant in 9 years

If you only take dividend in short term context then of course after ex dividend price will be adjusted down

Steve is talking about long term dividend trend

Steve bought bplant at 55 sen and this year so far dividend is 11.3 sen

so if Bplant gives out consistent dividend for few more years then Steve said he will get back his original 55 sen invested capital

how you guys can understand

looiting

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Posted by looiting > 2022-06-17 16:57 | Report Abuse

Based on chart, these oil palm stocks already in topping process...so becareful guys

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-17 17:45 | Report Abuse

Short term sentiment by human buy or sell trend shows up in chart temporary

The market is not static

What we do know deeper are the underlying fundamental of palm oil company actual status

1. Never before has Cpo prices crossed above Rm4500 to Rm7000 range before

2. with Cost of cpo production around Rm1800 to Rm2000 the gross real time profit is 100% to 200%

3. The accumulated profits will translate into high Cash inflow

Cash inflow can settle all borrowings and later palm oil will be cash rich and cash cow companies

4. Then like Bplant , hs plant and Taann all will give out high consistent dividends

5. And dividends will make the stocks defensive

6. Over a longer period if Cpo can maintain at Rm4000 to Rm5000 range alone all palm oil share prices will double and triple up

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-06-17 18:10 | Report Abuse

Test

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-06-17 18:11 | Report Abuse

Wow, i3 is manipulated. Omg

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-06-17 18:12 | Report Abuse

I try again

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-06-17 18:14 | Report Abuse

“If”

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2022-06-18 10:12 | Report Abuse

Palm oil and palm oil related products exports increased by 54% YoY in May 2022. Another prosperous month for oil palm plantations companies . Congratulations!

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220617/%e7%94%b5%e5%ad%90%e7%94%b5%e5%99%a8%e5%8f%8c%e6%b2%b9%e9%9c%80%e6%b1%82%e5%bc%ba%e5%8a%b2-5%e6%9c%88%e5%87%ba%e5%8f%a3%e5%a2%9e30-5%e8%b6%85%e6%a0%87/

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 10:28 | Report Abuse

Excellent !

April to June Cpo export records will be reported in Aug 2022 results

Looks like Palm oil companies will be reporting excellent results

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 11:10 | Report Abuse

Investing to beat inflation rate is to invest in something that appreciate faster than inflation.
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2022/06/18/investing-to-beat-inflation-rate?fbclid=IwAR2St3KojPYAvPDPlCfHK0DWllavgVyoe70sdIBhisTO0bX_FZNTQp9G1zA

And this could be THE ONE.
再涨人民币7500,以经是人民币13万了。
http://checkteas.com/goods.php?id=3311&fbclid=IwAR2p5RPU81J8FlEhNdWTfN9jUQQo7MiMytPus0K_wABlSFZElFX1GSDbyTU

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 11:15 | Report Abuse

I swapped some plantation stocks into Puer tea in 2003, the returns were 50,000% on average. Share market up and down, whereas puer tea price is one way ticket to the north.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 11:22 | Report Abuse

long time no see ks55

yes in these inflationary times fixed money market funds and FD cannot survive monetary depreciation over time

Palm oil as an inflation beater is now one good option

another is to invest in landed houses in Iskandar Johor because still very cheap compared to Kl or Penang

and with Rts from Spore ready by year 2026 all landed (avoid highrise Condo due to glut) will appreciate in both prices and rental

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 11:26 | Report Abuse

Why INVEST in puer tea?

1. Diversify your portfolio. Invest some in property, some in equity market (share, REIT, ETF, Unit Trust, FD, T-bill).

2. Puer tea investment is for long term, need not spend much time to take care and no worry of wild fluctuation like share market.

3. To invest in Puer tea is aka invest in RMB. In 2003 when I first started to invest in Puer, 1 RMB was 46 sen, today is 67.3 sen. When China economy getting stronger, RMB will appreciate in tandem, more so when Malaysian economy is heading no where. Will 1 RMB can exchange into 1 RM in next 10 years? Not to forget RMB hits 70 sen not too long ago!

4. Quality of Puer improves as it ages, same goes as the price of puer. Let the tea appreciates in price and works harder for you.

5. Need not worry if you can't sell the tea this year, price will go up next year.

6. As more mainland Chinese getting richer, market created by the new found wealth will go into luxurious items like car and housing. Small amount will go into food and drink (vintage puer in one of those). Unlike Malaysian who is unlikely to spend a thousand ringgit for a piece of tea, those Chinese can spend on a 10k ringgit tea without blinking. That is the reason why so many mainlander coming to Malaysia and Taiwan to look for quality aged puer.

7. As mainland Chinese become wealthier, salary and wages increase across the board. These include all expenses associated with puer tea production from tea picker to tea merchant. As the result, new puer tea produce will cost more over the years.

8. Invest in puer can help you finance your children's university education 10 or 15 years down the road. Really it is not day dream to obtain a return of 1000% over 10 years.

9. Invest in puer help you achieve financial independence at the end of the day. You can rely on puer to retire without financial worries. 靠山山倒 靠人人跑 靠孩子吃草 还是养茶防老最好

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 11:27 | Report Abuse

which listed co in Klse got Puer tea ah?

Tell you one secret

Thplant not only got palm oil it also got 3,000 acres of Teak plantation in Sabah and now more than 12 or 13 years old

another few more years will reap a Bonanza

if you can keep Puer tea until now for 50,000% gain since 2003 till now (9 years ) try buying Thplant to own those high value Teak plantation of Thplant and hold

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 11:56 | Report Abuse

Seeing is believing. I bought this tea for rm 20 per piece in 2004, now worth more than rm 1000, and still on the way up.
http://checkteas.com/goods.php?id=3311&fbclid=IwAR0bHckPje2T1GZ3gKo9cJwmueFVxpWIuHhTLNp6aWplrBqcPqyTcOCl_0Y

Of course, I have other tea too, that may have appreciated much more.
http://checkteas.com/goods.php?id=3365

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 11:59 | Report Abuse

Ok I went to take another look at Thplant Annual Report

It has 1,550 hectares of Teak Estate in Sabah

To convert Hectares to acres

1,550 x 2.471

= Rm3,830 acres

Teak is known as the "Gold" of the timber market

Very very expensive because it takes up to 20 years from planting to harvesting

And now Thplant Teak trees are already more than half way mark to harvesting

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 12:01 | Report Abuse

Posted by calvintaneng > Jun 18, 2022 11:27 AM | Report Abuse

which listed co in Klse got Puer tea ah?


Ans: Hai O

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 12:09 | Report Abuse

To invest in Teak might as well you invest in Musang King. You get good price for Musang King, 2 harvest a year, and only have to wait for 7 years to harvest your fruit. More importantly, Musang King from older tree fetch better price and is recurrent income. Teak harvest is one off.

So, based on your argument, it may be a better choice to go for Ekovest instead of Thplant.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 12:09 | Report Abuse

Is it? Has Hai O share price gone up by 1000%?

But I will still look for an undervalue overlooked stock like Thplant

I will buy something which few people are aware

Thplant (very few knows it's hidden Gold timber Teak wood treasure)

Teak is 300% more expensive than normal wood

After planting and harvesting Teak it will last up to 100 years

Teak is not afraid of the elements or termite

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 12:13 | Report Abuse

No ekovest as it has got construction

Now very high cost of construction material plus high worker wages will drag it down

Thplant got very high profit from good Cpo prices

It's land banks in Peninsular mostly freehold and book value very very cheap at RM10K to Rm12k

Now worth up to Rm150k an acres and Ecrl rail will further push up it's value

It's 7 estates in Sarawak are located along Pan Borneo Highway now got development potential

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 12:15 | Report Abuse

Hai O main business in Chinese medicine, and a variety of Chinese tea. Business model mainly on MLM.

If you compare Hai O with any other counters in KLSE, you can form your own opinion as how the shre price fares.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 12:18 | Report Abuse

I just checked up Hai I

Year to date Hai O dropped from Rm1.82 to Rm1.50 (dropped 17% in value)

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 12:23 | Report Abuse

Purely based on your argument, Musang King is a better bet.
So Ekovest is better choice than Thplant.
Ekovest has Musang King, Thplant has teak. But these assets are not major income contributors.

Just like Hai O, it has others as core business, not Puer tea. Puer tea investment is one-off good for individual. Teak plantation is also one-time harvest, like agar wood.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 12:35 | Report Abuse

Look at the current overall performance of a company

The majority stake of ekovest is construction and musang king as a minor part

Construction as a whole will be impacted by high building material costs

Thplant major crop is palm oil while Teak is a passive portion

palm oil as a whole is up by more than 100% in value to Rm5000 per ton( was Rm2000 per ton in down time)

we can see cooking oil and all food prices very high prices now as palm oil is found in 50% of supermarket items

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2022-06-18 13:44 | Report Abuse

Interesting discussion. Another super Saturday. Thank you.
Some how, I bought puer tea just for own consumption, never think of keeping it for years because afraid of it being eaten by cockroaches or deteriorate in quality for keeping it too long.

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 14:10 | Report Abuse

Go for puer tea, and you can sleep soundly every night.

1. World market (Led by DJ) is about to collapse.
2. Inflation in US 8.6% in May y-o-y.
3. FED is going to raise interest every month, may be up to 5.75% in next 2 years.
4. Food security is the main concern for every country.
5. Ukraine War and climate change, couple with Joe Biden's inconsistent foreign policy not helpful to maintain a peaceful world where every mankind could live and let others live.
6. When market crash, good shares bad shares all drop. No where is safe for your investment. Protecting your nest-eggs for your golden years is the most important consideration.
7. If you can keep more physical goods, that will hedge against inflation. But how much you can store? But to store up 3 to 5 tons of good quality aged puer is easy, that will see you through next 3 generation.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 14:20 | Report Abuse

Store up 3 to 5 tonnes of puer tea ?

I live in Spore now just Govt Hdb flat also worth S$1 millions or Rm3.2 Millions with size 1200 SQ ft

How to store ?

Now better buy Palm oil shares of Klse better and easier

Posted by investor2021trading > 2022-06-18 14:26 | Report Abuse

CPO price dropping is happening now! trade cautiously!

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 14:28 | Report Abuse

3 ton needs one 12 x 16 room, 5 tons only require 2 rooms of the same size. Go for a landed home, and I believe you can afford to store up to 10 tons, that could be good for next 5 generations.

ks55

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Posted by ks55 > 2022-06-18 14:46 | Report Abuse

When you are already very rich, money is no more considered as money (当钱不是钱的时后), you will be somebody like this.

玩普洱茶,有茶才有实力
https://www.puercn.com/puerchanews/news/43856.html?fbclid=IwAR3vLEybVXZaTP0YtgzR0mwTm3yCLViZEpCbL5TOxqknJg_v4ypoWtvCZ5Y

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 14:55 | Report Abuse

landed home to store Puer tea?

why the trouble

in Taman Sri Muda Shah Alam there was a 100 year flood event that swept away everything from landed houses

Palm oil trees are up to 60 feet tall and can withstand flooding

as for Cpo dropping it will be very ok if prices maintain at Rm4500 to Rm5500 range

since production cost of cpo only Rm1800 to Rm2000 the profit margin still excellent

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2022-06-18 15:11 | Report Abuse

Puer tea is not my cup of tea

I drink japanese green tea

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2022-06-18 16:08 | Report Abuse

The appreciation of puer tea may be true but how easy can you find buyers for your skyrocketed price tea 10 or 20 years from now that will remain a question.

sensonic

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Posted by sensonic > 2022-06-18 22:55 |

Post removed.Why?

looiting

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Posted by looiting > 2022-07-06 12:22 | Report Abuse

As i warned two weeks ago, based on my chart analysis, big boys already leaving the party. Retailers very obedient. Still holding strong. They continue to hold the bag. Don't kill the messenger. I only report what I see on the chart. FUNdamental can be FUN

gladiator

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Posted by gladiator > 2022-07-06 13:31 | Report Abuse

Maybe all investor guru is the same continue to promote when share price already reach rocket high from Glove, Tech stock and now plantation.

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