Posted by wkc5657 > 2021-01-08 14:18 | Report Abuse

BAT HQ boss, since the price so low now, just privatise la....you give 25% premium, more than half support you and you can join your fellow friend jti and say bye bye to malaysia bursa...keep the dividend to yourself....

Posted by lcs13579 > 2021-01-08 14:51 | Report Abuse

Have yr sell the bat?

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 14:56 | Report Abuse

Breaks rm13

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:04 | Report Abuse

you still holding C1, simon?

Expiry 29 Jan, last trading day 26 Jan, 27 and 28 suspended

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:06 | Report Abuse

C1 sold @ 34c, reap profits 17c

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:07 | Report Abuse

When perak govt toppled, I sold

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:08 | Report Abuse

good for you, good time to buy BAT after 29 Jan when C1 expires

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:08 | Report Abuse

Now holding c4 @ 26c

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:09 | Report Abuse

My mother’s cost is 9.96

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:10 | Report Abuse

you may be able to buy @ 12 sen end Jan

Posted by freeze789 > 2021-01-08 15:10 | Report Abuse

BAT-CY (exercise value rm13 and exercise ration 25:1)

you can see someone collecting/manipulate BAT-CY - 0.015 x 25 = 0.375 + rm13.375

+ Short selling mother share to lower price to collect BAT and reduce the BAT-CY risk.

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:10 | Report Abuse

c4 now 18.5 sen

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:10 | Report Abuse

Sorry, c1 sold @ 24c

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:11 | Report Abuse

Profit 17c

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:12 | Report Abuse

Thx Apprentice

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:13 | Report Abuse

Calculation for cash settlement of CY starts today.

If vwap for the 5 days below 13.00, Kenanga will not have to pay anything

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:15 | Report Abuse

No wonder they press like no tomorrow

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:18 | Report Abuse

If you time your buy and sell well, you can make loads from CWs

Posted by freeze789 > 2021-01-08 15:21 | Report Abuse

Bat-CY until next Wednesday only

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:23 | Report Abuse

Apprentice, are you in CWs?

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:25 | Report Abuse

Great. Lots to learn from you...

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:25 | Report Abuse

I mean BAT CWs

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-08 15:28 | Report Abuse

No BAT CWs for me.

Ratio too high and I play cheaper counters....profit on percentage much better

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 15:28 | Report Abuse

Thx

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 16:16 | Report Abuse

Afternoon session almost 1m traded...

Posted by wkc5657 > 2021-01-08 16:34 | Report Abuse

@Simon_khoo

not everything due to IB...they don't have this much volume to play with.....

partly sentiment swing due to another possibility of lockdown which depress consumer related stock and chase back medical related counters....

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 16:46 | Report Abuse

5774 blocked by IB

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-08 19:03 | Report Abuse

Apprentice, BTW, it’s difficult to play CWs during bear market right, as it has expiry dates....

Posted by longranger > 2021-01-09 08:21 | Report Abuse

everybody carry same theory of cw, automatically will help IB to press down the price when close to expiry date.

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 08:26 | Report Abuse

You guys must understand that Structured Warrants are the most dangerous piece of paper that ever existed. Only the Issuer gains. 99% of the time people lose money trading Structured Warrants.

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 08:32 | Report Abuse

In fact globally they are called 'Contract For Difference' or CFD's. They are simply a BET on the share of a company. CFD's on Equity are banned in many major markets like USA, Hong Kong, India. In fact US citizens are banned from trading in CFD's on Equity anywhere in tge world.

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 08:34 | Report Abuse

Check for yourself. Don't take my word for it. I say this because these so called Structured Warrants (CFD's) are the reason the IB manipulates the price of shares. How can you permit anyone else to decide how a company should be run ?

Posted by apprentice > 2021-01-09 08:50 | Report Abuse

Totally agree with you simon.

Many got burnt buying at the wrong time where the price hardly move. It will remain out of the money until expiry.

IBs are tweaking the CWs to be more advantages to them, used to be 12 or 10 mths to expiry, but many are less than 10 mths now.

I stay away from macquaire cws, biggest crooks.

Posted by longranger > 2021-01-09 09:26 | Report Abuse

Jan Cy & c1 mar c2 then follow by c3 and c4 few mth later.

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 10:20 | Report Abuse

Hi Apprentice, C1 conversion price is 10.8 (10:1), mind to share what is the ideal expected closing price for IB b4 last trading day?

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 10:20 | Report Abuse

Thx

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 10:21 | Report Abuse

For them not to lose $$$

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 13:26 | Report Abuse

The investing public needs to be aware and educated about the insruments they put their hard earned money into.

Therefore, I am listing some links that give you a fair idea of Derivatives. In Malaysia, we have what is
called "Structured Warrants". If you google Structured Warrants, the only links you come up with are Malaysian and Singaporean.
This instrument does not exist anywhere else in the world. Why then, is it called "European Styled Cash Settled" ?

These instruments are actually "Contract For Difference" or CFD. Which basically means a "BET". More precisely, a Bet ON a Bet.
Typically when we buy the share of a company,we are assuming, with some understanding of the business and its prospects its
value at a future date. That could be termed a calculated bet.

However, when you buy a CFD, you are Betting against the Bet someone (An Investment Bank) has taken on the value of a share
at a future date. Typical to Malaysia, that Investment Bank (IB) is not required to tell you what he does to market make the share
so that he does not lose.

In what sense of the word is this called Investing ?

There is NOT EVEN ONE Structured Warrant issued so far, where the Settlement value is more than the Break-even price for
the issuer. We have the data, if anyone including the authorities require us to prove it to them. BUT with a clear understanding that if we are right, they will take corrective action.

Futures & Options
https://youtu.be/-efa99L9J08

MacQuaire's Sweet Talk
https://youtu.be/2itgroD4DGw

CFD - Basic
https://youtu.be/PFZgCCnKt58

CFD's Vs Equity: The real story
https://youtu.be/BjAXBm5SkSE

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 13:39 | Report Abuse

Thx Morpheus61 for sharing

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 13:40 | Report Abuse

Basically CW is betting against the mother’s price movement, so to speak?

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 14:01 | Report Abuse

Simon, Yes it is. Not only that, the issuer is not required to disclose any information about the Market Making or Hedging it does.

No Disclosure Norms !

Every company is required to disclose any and all trades in its own shares. CFD's have ZERO value by itself. It's based on an underlying Asset, the share of a company. Why then, are the issuer's of CFD's not required by law to disclose their dealings in that Asset ?

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 14:25 | Report Abuse

Do you trade CWs?

Posted by Morpheus61 > 2021-01-09 14:26 | Report Abuse

I wouldn't even dream of those Paper Thrash.

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 14:27 | Report Abuse

Thx

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 14:44 | Report Abuse

The arts of making $$$ in stocks market...

Posted by longranger > 2021-01-09 17:45 | Report Abuse

M61, knowing mother share price will be beaten down around CW expiry do you keep bat tight or sell on cw expiry timing?

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 20:08 | Report Abuse

C1 expiry vs Q4 results

Posted by Simon_khoo > 2021-01-09 20:08 | Report Abuse

Very interesting....

Posted by gemfinder > 2021-01-09 20:10 | Report Abuse

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/govt-not-expected-impose-total-lockdown-mco-says-ismail-sabri

Posted by Gusen > 2021-01-11 09:46 | Report Abuse

brought more @ 12.66, 68, 70. no more K&N ticket, from others mayban, cimb...etc