Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 08:12 | Report Abuse

Lai Ching-te of Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is Taiwan's new president-elect, after a three-way election that will determine the self-ruled island's future stance towards China. Since its founding in the 1980s as an alliance of underground dissident groups, the DPP has now secured a third term in the presidential office, a first in Taiwan's short democratic history.

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230 comment(s). Last comment by Jefftan123 2024-01-19 13:45

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 08:34 | Report Abuse

I think Indonesia President election is more fair and democratic.
In the first round if no candidates win 50%+1 vote then the top two candidiate will go into second round.

Why Taiwan did not do that?

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 08:46 | Report Abuse

Did PH/Anwar get 50% of the vote to form government ?

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 08:49 | Report Abuse

Lai's party, which champions Taiwan's separate identity and rejects China's territorial claims, was seeking a third successive four year term, unprecedented under Taiwan's current electoral system.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 08:50 | Report Abuse

Democracy is governed by its most popularly understood principle: majority rule.

Is it fair to 60% of votors that did not vote for DPP. Can DPP/Taiwanese claim Taiwan is a democratic country when it did not comply to domocracy core principle of majority rule?

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 08:59 | Report Abuse

President Lai Ching-te has the majority vote, even PH/Anwar did not get 60% of the votes to form government.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 09:01 | Report Abuse

Taiwan's voters rebuff China and give ruling party third presidential term

aiwanese voters swept the ruling Democratic Progressive Party's (DPP) presidential candidate Lai Ching-te into power on Saturday, strongly rejecting Chinese pressure to spurn him, as China said it would not give up on achieving "reunification".

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 09:12 | Report Abuse

Know the different between direct President election the one man/women one vote priciple. And voter only vote for MP and MPs select among themselve PM?

Malaysia was never a democratic country in Priciple else how you explain PJ how many voters for one MP compare to those rural area.

The question why many countries that directly elect their President practice if no candidates win 50%+1 vote then the top two candidiate will go into second round and Taiwan did not?

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 09:16 | Report Abuse

CCP got zero vote to government.🤣🤣

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 09:17 | Report Abuse

CCP representative want to teach Taiwan how to choose President ? 🤣🤣

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 09:48 | Report Abuse

In the United States, a candidate can win the Presidential election with a plurality of votes in the Electoral College, which is the body that elects the President. The candidate who wins the most votes in a state usually wins all of that state’s electoral votes. The candidate who wins a majority of the electoral votes (at least 270 out of 538) becomes the President. US President does not need to win above 50% of the votes.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 10:38 | Report Abuse

The Associated Press announced today that all votes had officially been certified.

Clinton had 2,864,974 votes more than Trump, the largest popular vote margin of any losing presidential candidate in U.S. history, according to the AP.

Trump won the presidency by clinching 304 electoral votes, well over the minimum 270 needed. Clinton won 227 electoral votes.

Clinton is the fifth presidential candidate in history to win the popular vote and lose the Electoral College.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 10:40 | Report Abuse

So now you know US talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 10:58 | Report Abuse

INVESTIGATORS REVEAL JIMMY LAI MONEY TRAIL
Huge amounts of international money flowed into the bank accounts of Jimmy Lai—and large sums of cash went out to anti-China groups, a court heard yesterday.

The tabloid publisher received HK$2.945 billion in his nine bank accounts in recent years, with deposits coming from the United States, Canada, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and elsewhere. The money is said to have derived “from overseas securities trading”.

But the money didn’t sit there.

Who got cash? Chunks of finance went out to multiple China-hostile political groups in Hong Kong, the US, and the UK, the prosecution said, providing a detailed report from financial investigators. Jimmy Lai’s lawyer Steven Kwan Man-wai did not dispute the information.

Local recipients included the Hong Kong Democratic Party, the Civic Party, the Labour Party, the League of Social Democrats, the court was told.

A wildly critical UK group called Hong Kong Watch, whose members include Benedict Rogers and former Hong Kong Governor Chris Patten, received HK$202,000.

Paul Wolfowitz, former US deputy secretary of defence, was sent HK$1.76 million in payments from 2013 onwards, the court heard. Money also went to a right-wing think tank called the American Enterprise Institute.

Cash also went to a group called the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China, organizers of an annual meeting to keep the “Tiananmen Square massacre” story, debunked by Julian Assange and others, alive.

The biggest individual recipient named yesterday was Cardinal Joseph Zen, a retired Hong Kong churchman who has fallen out with his colleagues, including Pope Francis, over his relentless China-bashing. The churchman received HK$3.5 million in 2017, the prosecution said.

The court heard earlier that large sums of money from Jimmy Lai’s funds (held by various entities) were paid to media companies, including the publishers of the Washington Post, the Nikkei Weekly, the UK Guardian, and media groups in India.

Jimmy Lai, 76, is on trial for sedition and collusion, offences illegal worldwide. His colleagues and associates have pleaded guilty in related hearings. The trial continues.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 13:15 | Report Abuse

USD 400 million...can get the devil to pull your cart

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 13:17 | Report Abuse

DPP wins...it's Taiwan's lost.

Maybe CCP will take out the stick...
If carrots cannot win hearts then stick will do.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 13:18 | Report Abuse

If CCP want to crash Taiwan economy it's easy as abc

xiaoeh

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Posted by xiaoeh > 2024-01-14 14:06 | Report Abuse

Posted by qqq47660 > 46 minutes ago | Report Abuse
If CCP want to crash Taiwan economy it's easy as abc

i 100% agree with u QQQ
judging by how easy CCP crack his own economy...

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 14:58 | Report Abuse

"We've written a new page for Taiwan's history of democracy," Lai, long the frontrunner in the polls, told reporters after both his opponents conceded defeat.

Lai said he would maintain the status quo in relations across the Taiwan Strait, but that he was "determined to safeguard Taiwan from threats and intimidation from China".

At the same time, he emphasised the need for cooperation and dialogue with Beijing on an equal basis to "replace confrontation", though he didn't give specifics.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 15:07 | Report Abuse

In his victory speech, Lai said Taiwan is willing to talk to China "on the basis of dignity and parity," but he also said his administration will be "determined" to safeguard Taiwan from threats and intimidation from China.

China responded to Lai's victory shortly after the speech. "Our stance on resolving the Taiwan question and realizing national reunification remains consistent, and our determination is as firm as rock," said Chen Binhua, a spokesperson for the State Council Taiwan Affairs Office in Beijing.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken congratulated Lai on his election. He reiterated Washington's commitment "to maintaining cross-Strait peace and stability, and the peaceful resolution of differences, free from coercion and pressure."

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 15:09 | Report Abuse

Funny CCP's supporters, DPP & US without over 50% votes not OK. But CCP zero vote is OK.🤣🤣

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 15:12 | Report Abuse

KMT failure was a sign of Taiwanese rejection of "One Country two systems". Just looked at the result os HSI back to 1997.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 15:19 | Report Abuse

The 2023 Chinese People's Liberation Army Rocket Force corruption case is a large-scale corruption case involving the Chinese People's Liberation Army Rocket Army, the Equipment Development Department of the Central Military Commission and military industrial enterprises, and the first corruption case involving the highest levels of the military since Xi Jinping was re-elected as general secretary of the CPC Central Committee and chairman of the CPC Central Military Commission after the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China. The dismissal of a number of military leaders and officials since July 2023 may be related to the case, including State Councilor and Minister of National Defense Li Shangfu, Rocket Force Commander Li Yuchao, Rocket Force Political Commissar Xu Zhongbo, three representatives of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) of the Military Industry Department, and eight other PLA National People's Congress deputies.

The big sticks dismissed.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 15:19 | Report Abuse

The real lesson is the opposition not united and they lost.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 15:26 | Report Abuse

The Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship, and Cooperation between the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation was signed in Moscow on 16 July 2001 by Jiang Zemin, General Secretary of the CCP Central Committee and President of China, and Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation.

The treaty was ratified by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress on 27 October 2001. On December 26, 2001, January 16, and January 25, 2002, it was ratified by the State Duma, the Federal Council, and President Vladimir Putin in the Federal Assembly of Russia. On February 28, 2002, the two sides exchanged instruments of ratification in Beijing, and the treaty came into force. CCP giving away 4 millions square meter Chinese ancient lands to Russia.

Junichiro

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Posted by Junichiro > 2024-01-14 15:27 | Report Abuse

DPP now a minority government. Voters cleverly tie the hands of the government. Without the support of opposition parties, it cannot move its policy forward. Lets see how the opposition will cooperate with him. During its long tenure, DPP cancelled the media licence of opposition parties.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 15:28 | Report Abuse

China's aircraft carrier manufacturer broke a corruption scandal, and the general manager was dismissed
Sun Bo, general manager of the state-owned enterprise "China Shipbuilding Heavy Industry", which is responsible for building the aircraft carrier, is suspected of serious violations of discipline and law and is under investigation. "China Shipbuilding Industry Co., Ltd." was responsible for the transformation of the "Liaoning" aircraft carrier and the design and construction of China's first domestically produced aircraft carrier.

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 15:31 | Report Abuse

WOW. Such a big corruption PLA was a rubbish.🤣🤣

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 15:40 | Report Abuse

Taiwan People’s Party (TPP) Ko Wen-j learned from UMNO, would join the government to share the resources. KMT was defeated as 90% of the voters rejection of CCP "one party 2 system" policy.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 16:36 | Report Abuse

as Lee Kuan Yew says, the earlier Taiwan negotiates with China, the better the terms they get from Beijing. There is no such thing as status quo. Status quo is a time bomb.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 16:38 | Report Abuse

its all about relative strength.......in future years Taiwan relative strength better meh?

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 16:40 | Report Abuse

Beijing should give them the stick,. Blockage their island, their economy collapses immediately.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 16:51 | Report Abuse

In 1964, the Chinese revisited the matter of the Sino-Soviet border demarcated in the 19th century, originally imposed upon the Qing dynasty by the Russian Empire by way of unequal treaties. Negotiations broke down amid heightening tensions and both sides began dramatically increasing military presence along the border. Sino-Soviet relations worsened further following the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Border confrontations escalated in March 1969 when a group of People's Liberation Army troops engaged Soviet border guards on Zhenbao Island in Manchuria, resulting in considerable casualties on both sides. Further clashes occurred in August at Tielieketi in Xinjiang and raised the prospect of an all-out nuclear exchange. The crisis de-escalated after Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin met with Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai in September, and a ceasefire was ordered with a return to the status quo ante bellum.

In order to counterbalance the Soviet threat, the Chinese government sought a rapprochement with the United States. This resulted in a secret visit to China by Henry Kissinger in 1971, which in turn paved the way for President Richard Nixon's official visit to China in 1972.

Sino-Soviet relations remained sour after the conflict despite the re-opening of border negotiations, which continued inconclusively for a decade. Serious talks did not occur until 1991, when an agreement was reached shortly before the fall of the Soviet Union. The border issues were conclusively resolved between China and Russia following a treaty signed in 2003 and an additional agreement in 2008.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 16:57 | Report Abuse

China need peace to develop economically and military then hence the need to resolve the boarder issues with Russia urgently with an agreement or risk an all out nuclear war.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 17:03 | Report Abuse

The border issues were conclusively resolved between China and Russia following a treaty signed in 2003 and an additional agreement in 2008.
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need two hands to clap.

logic and generosity alone will not convince the taiwanese. There must be some sort of stick approach.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:06 | Report Abuse

Taiwan's total exports decreased 9.8% in 2023 to $432.5 billion, the Finance Ministry said Tuesday. Mainland China and Hong Kong accounted for $152.2 billion, down 18.1%. Their share of 35.2% dipped from 38.8% in 2022. Exports to Europe grew 2.9% to $42.2 billion, and those to the U.S. rose 1.6% to $76.2 billion.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 17:16 | Report Abuse

The CCP can leave the Taiwanese alone. They can have their own system or what not . That is not the main point for the CCP.

The CCP wants a closure for the civil war, a closure for the century of humiliation and a way to deal with the lies and anti China propaganda manufactured out of Taiwan.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:27 | Report Abuse

It is at the best interest of Taiwan to talk to China. Afterall talking would not kill you but war would.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:31 | Report Abuse

Taiwan’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party pulled off a historic third consecutive presidential victory on Saturday as voters shrugged off warnings by China that their re-election would increase the risk of conflict.Lai Ching-te, Taiwan’s current vice president, declared victory on Saturday evening while his two opposition rivals both conceded defeat.

“This is a night that belongs to Taiwan. We managed to keep Taiwan on the map of the world,” Lai told thousands of jubilant supporters at a rally after his win.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:31 | Report Abuse

The result shows voters backing the DPP’s view that Taiwan is a de facto sovereign nation that should bolster defenses against China’s threats and deepen relations with fellow democratic countries, even if that means economic punishment or military intimidation by Beijing.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:36 | Report Abuse

This is what US position on Taiwan:

The United States switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979 and has long said it does not support a formal declaration of independence by Taiwan. It does, however, maintain unofficial relations with the self-governed island and remains its most important backer and arms supplier.

WASHINGTON, Jan 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden said on Saturday the United States does not support the independence of Taiwan, after Taiwanese voters rebuffed China and gave the ruling party a third presidential term.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:39 | Report Abuse

Only 40% of voters vote for DPP, may I ask how you concluded: The result shows voters backing the DPP’s view that Taiwan is a de facto sovereign nation that should bolster defenses against China’s threats and deepen relations with fellow democratic countries, even if that means economic punishment or military intimidation by Beijing?

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:43 | Report Abuse

Other world powers have congratulated Lai, with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken saying the vote demonstrated “the strength of Taiwan’s robust democratic system and electoral process.”

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:44 | Report Abuse

The DPP emphasizes that Taiwan is not subordinate to the Chinese Communist Party, and that its future Taiwan must only be decided by its 23.5 million people.

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:45 | Report Abuse

Speaking to the media ahead of his victory speech on Saturday night, Lai called his win a “victory for the community of democracies.”

“We are telling the international community that between democracy and authoritarianism, we still stand on the side of democracy,” he said.

“I will act in accordance with our democratic and free constitutional order in a manner that is balanced and maintains the cross-strait status quo,” he added. “At the same time, we are also determined to safeguard Taiwan from continuing threats and intimidation from China”.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:48 | Report Abuse

Can I also conclude the result show the flaw of Taiwan's democratic system where the 40% rule over the other 60%?

Jefftan123

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Posted by Jefftan123 > 2024-01-14 17:49 | Report Abuse

The Rocket Force of the People's Republic of China was established on December 31, 2015, and is an important part of Xi Jinping's deepening reform of national defense and the armed forces.

In October 2022, the China Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (CASI), a subsidiary of the U.S. Air Force University, released a 255-page "Report on China's Rocket Force", which contains detailed information, including the organizational composition of the Rocket Force, the identity of commanders and senior leaders, the location and coordinates of troops at all levels, and the types of missiles deployed. Former Navy Lieutenant Colonel Yao Cheng believes that this level of intelligence cannot be obtained from lower-level cadres, so this indicates that the leakage of military secrets occurred at the top of the Rocket Force. This may also be one of the reasons for investigating the Rocket Army.

On July 4, 2023, Wu Guohua, the former deputy commander of the Rocket Army, passed away, and the official obituary was released on July 25 saying that he had died of a cerebral hemorrhage, but his old boss Zhang Xiaoyang posted on social media that he had hanged himself at home, triggering speculation about the purge of the Rocket Army.

IDQWE001

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Posted by IDQWE001 > 2024-01-14 17:52 | Report Abuse

can i conclude the result show the result of CCP political system as dictatorship where 0% rule over the other 100% ?

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:54 | Report Abuse

Many Polls conducted before election show 60% want to kick out DPP from government for corruption, authoritarian and risking a war with China.

So should we respect the 60%.

qqq47660

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Posted by qqq47660 > 2024-01-14 17:55 | Report Abuse

Taiwan will exist as long as the CCP gives it permission to exist......but don't know for how long.

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2024-01-14 17:57 | Report Abuse

Putin was elected by an election one man/woman one vote then why people still labelled Putin as dictator?

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