[duitKWSPkita] put warrants [trade, hedge & be ahead of markets]

Fundamental info for Hangseng(HSI) call/put warrants newbie

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Publish date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 09:43 PM
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Recently, I follow several threads n the i3 and I learn that there are easily more than 30% i3 readers have exposure to Hangseng (HSI) derrivative products namely call and put warrants. What hit my mind is a newbie like me should understand more on the general HSI matters in order to excute BUY/SELL. I always respect and enjoy very much in any discussion no matter the forumer is from which stream (TA/FA/Intergrated/Psychology Market etc) because just like all religions lead us to he right way so the streams are also lead us to the final destination (Bank- to deposit our gain). These days I receive a lot of question from emails and I try my best to discuss some over here .

Disclaimer: I AM JUST LIKE ANYONE UTILISE THIS PLATFORM TO LEARN AND AT THE SAME TIME TO SHARE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR BETTER LEARNING OUTCOME.

 

 

1) What is the first thing when we look at call warrant trade?
    Firstly, no matter we hook in what derrivative products we must always check whether our potential counter is in OFM,ATM or ITM. When approaching the expiry date ITM will "normally" give us better Margin of Safety as well as risk reward ratio. Of course with skill one can also benefit from ITM and ATM as long they trade at the right timing.

For example,
If Hangseng index: 19000 pts  ;

If trade HSI-Call warrant C22 and STRIKE/COVERSION at 20000 -  OUT THE MONEY (OTM)
If trade HSI-Call warrant C23 and STRIKE/COVERSION at 15000 - IN THE MONEY (ITM)
If trade HSI-Call warrant C24 and STRIKE/COVERSION at 19000 - AT THE MONEY (ATM)

2) Why the premium and gearing do not exhibit exact price action among the warrants?
    There is no rules or regulations that market maker or warrant issuer must transact the bid and ask price in actual implied price. Due to the time factor the warrants will not be priced at rational value.

3) Why and what happen if the buy queue or sell queue disappear suddenly?
    The HSI call and put warrants in KLSE platform usually will have market maker in control from 9:15AM to 4:15PM. You will see both large lots (5000 lots/2000 lots/3480 lots/1000 lots etc) from buy and sell queue will be cancelled at 12PM when Hangseng break for 1st session. Same goes to re-entry of the queus when approaching 2:30PM but not 2 to 2:26PM (safety check). Another critical time is at 3:59PM when market maker disappear and wait for Europe opening index. Important note here is not to panic when you see BUY queue disappear or notice big lots of transaction suddenly. The queuing on both side (Top1&2 BUY and Top1&2 SELL) will have significant signal to tell you if change to (Top2&3 and Top1&3). Explore yourself for some trading tips.

4) "Faster BUY, shark come in to buy" ------   How true is it?
     My sincere advice please filter all the comments from forum as you do not know who will tell you the truth. Some people are very sincere but might be wrongly intepreted the price action. If you got chance may be can consult your friend who execute the computer to auto-pilot trade the warrants in the investment bank. Market makers are equipped with first hand information and they have a team to feed them on market development, hourly volatility score from in house experts, the best is they have well established algorithm to excecute the bid and ask prices to make "projected" spread for products margin. Every investment bank and all market maker team has their pricing policy and they will review the volatility terms from time to time. They calculate the bid and ask prices from the underlying security's volatility terms and ALL IS WELL COMPUTERISED.  The implicit volatility of the prices of analogous on the market will serve as a forecast reference to the market makers. Because they are professionals group who deal with intelligent financial info so they know how to mark up, in or der to compensate the retail price of whosale volatility on professional markets.
Therefore, dont ever bluff the newbie how big the sharks are already in this warrant as we are fighting with a bunch of computers.

5) Is there any factors affect the price action?
    There are of coure. Global market sentiments from plicy makers, regional issues, geopolitic etc are also key factors of the enlarged or reduced volatility target. Learn more from volatility to know more tricks to read the market outlook of the particular trading day.

 

I am still new in stock market and always looking forward to hearing from your view. Hope we can learn and grow together.

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duitKWSPkita

I will trade more in HSI-C17. Dont follow me as more than 90% of market traders maintain bearish view of Hangseng and China market.

Plan your trade properly. Dont let EMO and EGO rule your trading plan.

Trade HSI-C17 is not by luck but based on the LW theory. I will pay full attention on my CUT LOSS target.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > Feb 29, 2016 10:20 PM | Report Abuse X

Dear HSI-C17 traders,

Good day everybody. I expect I'll come more often. At time of writing I maintain myself a dynamic & flexible trader. I'm open for put and call warrants but for sure I will come more often at C17 thread until 2nd week of April.

I know there are many streams traders in this forum some will use FA, some engage with TA while some may deploy market psychology to trade. No one will disagree if I say despite the strength of each stream the ultimate goal is to guide us to money making & loss minimization.

Nothing new here as we know Hangseng has very tight relationship with China exchange due to the country's administrative, geographic factor and inflow-outflow factors with China capital market. In addition, global factors like Crude Oil, US market, Interest rate, Asian currency prospect etc will more and less make the index volatile.

My read of Hangseng is ONE(1) correction in this week and start to inch up from next week onward. I very "personally" has positive uptrend on Hangseng even though up to 90% of market traders maintain bearish to this Hangseng index. Prior to the expiry date, I am "hoping" for index point to trade above 19973 then 21000 in a month period. YOU ARE NOT ADVISED TO FOLLOW ME BECAUSE I CAN ACCEPT GREAT RISK APPETITE AT THIS MOMENT.

Buying up the hangseng is not purely contrarian behavior but more on facts and figures.

1) Shanghai index should find a strong support at 2600 at this moment therefore, anytime when there is no bad news there will be neutral news to push up the market.
2) Based on LW theory the market should undergo one drop this week and to start pick up next week. It concur with my reading and I am comfortable with anything around RM0.235
3) I deal with professionals and specialists so I put high hope in their competency. John Tsang and his financial expert team know what is the trend now and without second thought they know how to battle with downtrend (as what observed by ordinary people like us). With their stimulus packages they will choose the best time to intercept and to intervene to stabilize the equity market which concurrent with the effort of new SC President from China exchange.
4) Europe, Japan, Emerging markets and Hongkong will get faster recovery than others so I expect money flow will focus in the aforesaid countries.


I will not encourage or to hard sell HSI-C17 to you. I am using LW theory to trade this counter which I very "personally" can absorb great risk at this time.

Happy trading!

warmest regards,
duit

2016-02-29 22:23

Fam Jenny

HSI-C17 expires on 28/4/2016,if wrong just correct me.

2016-02-29 23:53

KAQ4468

Lai lai lai !!!

C17 lubuk emas....lubuk emas !!! Fishing fishing $$$$$$$ !!!

2016-03-01 00:20

duitKWSPkita

Thank you guys for reading.

Fam Jenny, YES your right it will expire on 28/4/2016

2016-03-01 10:45

VenFx

Appreciate for your kind effort, Duit bro.

2016-07-26 17:20

duitKWSPkita

pleasure VenFx bro.

just fundamental for beginner. Not qualified to share advanced info now

2016-07-26 17:30

VenFx

Not at all, this is dam good.

2016-07-26 17:33

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