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I only have 10 grands to invest - UncleZ M'sia

Tan KW
Publish date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014, 10:08 PM
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Good.

 

Saturday, 12 April 2014 

I had an interest conversation with my friend's young son over the last weekend. He asked me what to invest. I told him to buy a property when he is still young. He said it is out of question at the moment. He just started to work not too long. Then I told him to save enough and prepare to buy property as soon as he could afford it. He complained this is boring, not that save money itself is not important but the amount he could manage to save every month is so paltry that it just doesn't motivate him. It is a plausible reason by a 20-plus young man in view of current cost of living environment.

 

He shyly told me that he has 10 grands in his fixed deposit account and he wanted to maximise the returns. He wanted to invest in the stock market. The conversation goes something like this:-

 

Boy : UncleZ, do you have any good shares to recommend?



UncleZ : No need any recommendation. Now the stock market is so positive. Chances are, any stock you pick will go up.

 


Boy : My friends said the same thing too. They told me they had made many rounds of pocket money. But they got burnt by Dsonic recently. Now I am a bit sceptical.  Any advice from you, UncleZ?

 

UncleZ : Did you ask them why they got burnt in the first place?


Boy : They quickly cut loss when the share dropped so drastically.

 

UncleZ : That's the problem. Anyway, before I tell you what to invest, tell me your expectation of capital returns?

 

Boy : I hope could double my capital. My 10 grands become 20 grands.

 

UncleZ : That is 100% ! How long would you like it to happen?

 

Boy : Maybe in half a year's time. oh no, it would be nice in 3 months.

 

UncleZ : Young man, why don't you look at it this way. Bank interest for FD is 3% - 4% per year. So, your investment in stock market should give you returns higher than that in FD. It has to be. Because of higher risk in stock market, the returns must be 10% at the minimum. So,  why not take 10% as a start instead of 100%.

 

Boy : What? 10% only? that means only 1 grand profit in a year's time? That doesn't sound interesting, UncleZ.

 

UncleZ : You have to manage your expectation mindset first before you put your foot into the stock market. It is a jungle out there. A merciless one on top of that.

 

Boy : I heard people make money by just making few phone calls a day. Few hundreds, some few thousands a day easily.

 

UncleZ : True. It is possible. But you are not them. In fact, probably you won't hear when they are making losses. You only hear when they are making profits. Look young man, of course making 10% from stock market is no brainer. You should target to make 100% profit but with a different mindset. Your mindset must be that of long term view. It may takes you 2 years to realise the 100% profit. If you are good in this game, 100% profit in 1 year is possible. If you managed to get 100% profit in half a year's time, that's bonus!

 

But to set a expectation of 100% profit within few months right from the start is dangerous. You could not manage your emotion if your have such expectation. Greed will take over you. Greed is emotion.

 

Boy : What shares can I buy with just 10 grands? Presbhd is already close to 4. I only can buy 2.5 lots the most. With just 2.5 lots, I cannot earn much even if the share price fly.

 

UncleZ : You are right and wrong. Right is that just 2.5 lots won't make a lot of money for you. Wrong is that if it fly, you still good gain in percentage term. The bottom line is, you are still making money and not losing money.

 

Boy : I never thought of that. I am thinking to buy cheap shares because it has higher chance to increase by 100% or 200%.

 

UncleZ : There is no such thing as cheap stock. The stock market would not readily wait for you to pick up the cheap stock.  There is only affordable stock but not necessary cheap. For example, a 50 cents stock is not necessary cheap. In fact, it may be more expensive than a RM5.00 stock in valuation terms. But 50 cents stock is certainly considered an affordable stock, never mind whether it is expensive or cheap. Speculators do not differentiate that anyway.

 

Boy : My brain started to jam already. Any affordable shares to play, oh no, to invest?

 

UncleZ : Invest in this one. It is only 34 cents. It fits your current financial situation for investment. Keep for 2 years or atleast a year. My only worry is, along the way, you may tempted to exit because there will always be temptation of greener pasture over the other side. But don't get distracted. Take this as your first investment training ground. Investment skill is not learnt over night. Anyway, your 10 grands won't get you anywhere if you hop in and out everywhere.

 

 

Boy : Alright. Thank you so much. I have one question. DSonic still can buy?

 

UncleZ : Nahhh..... Not for you. You sure will hop in and hop out the moment the price recovers. You may make little bit money here and there but that is all you will get. No point.

 

 

The above is more or less our conversation on stock market. Admittedly, the stock that I mentioned above is not exciting at the moment but I see values in it in the long run. The company's net gearing is in nett cash position. ROI is 13%. Its long term prospect remains intact and the company is also aggressively looking for new overseas market opportunities. This stock is suitable for those who has the similar financial situation like my friend's son. I made my very first RM50k through this way when I started off with my one-and-only capital of just RM13,500 many many years ago. Along the way I rolled it using the same principle and before I made my first 100k in two and half years. I could not afford to speculate stocks every other days because I just don't have the luck.

 


Good Luck.

http://unclezmalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/04/i-only-have-10-grands-to-invest.html

 

Discussions
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newman

LIM. don't worry will come down a bit next 2/3 days and come back strongly later part of the week. there is still a final upleg before we close for our 4 years once FIFA world cup. heart must be steady or else you not playing the stock market and instead the market making fun of you. hahaha

2014-04-13 18:45

calvintaneng

Lim,

Do not act in panic. Stay calm. Try to sell into strength those that might move up.

2016-03-17 14:57

林俊松

Since I bought those 5 warrants already, then I should hold them until year end, right?
Thanks a lot newman & calvintaneng.
Can KLCI hit 1900 points by year end?

2014-04-13 18:58

bracoli

Hi lim brunei how r u?
U still collecting dsonic ock?

2014-03-17 15:28

林俊松

No

2014-04-13 20:24

jackson87

Wanz lim
Teruk la u, asked ppl to hold long term then
U curi curi sold dsonic
Yet u want to find uncleZ?
He has already insisted and advised
Ppl to hold long term
From here u have already knew that both are from diff aspect

Are u ok? Lim Brunei???????
Kekekekekekeke

2014-04-13 20:28

jackson87

Last Friday
We had one search and rescue on u
Wanted to ask u sai lang buy gadang and gadang warrant
But u seems merajuk and reluctant to
Appear since ayamtua, bracoli and I keep on finding u...
U lose the chance on contra to gain fast money again lim

Kekekeekkeeke

2014-04-13 20:32

andychucky28

Many here are unmo cronies. So be careful. They will leave you boneless.

2014-04-13 20:35

爱丽斯 梦幻世界

Thanks for sharing.
Very nice conversation from UncleZ.
Whole conversation, never mention any counter to invest for the boy...
only say 'Invest in this one. It is only 34 cents'.
Now i interesting to this '34 cents' .
From TKW, 34 cents maybe CBSA, Cworks or Hovid?
Another nearest maybe Keladi, skpres?
I think UncleZ '34 cents' just a variable that can substitute any 'affordable' counter. :-)

2014-04-13 21:23

林俊松

andychucky28, true, need to bkful of those unmo cronies.
爱丽斯 梦幻世界, which counters u invest?

2014-04-13 21:32

爱丽斯 梦幻世界

Lim, if me, I will invest Hovid. Coming hv dividend, and worth enough for me to keep 2 yrs. How about u ?

2014-04-13 21:35

JXRepcoBuffet

ah lim ah lim.... all yr warrants is CALL WARRANTS which is cash settled and should be less than a year of maturity, and the banker behind is investment bank's equity derivatives dealers.... how long u think u want to hold those CWs??? i advise to you is CWs will die faster if market crash.... u will have limited time to recovered.....

2014-04-13 21:42

林俊松

爱丽斯 梦幻世界, I'm holding 5 counters warrant.
JXRepcoBuffet, u also think market going to crash?
UncleZ advice us to hold for long term, so I hold all my warrants for long term.
Pantech warrant until 2020 & Engtex still got 3 years, Gadang warrant until 09/2015, CMSB warrant-CF until 03/2015 and Trop warrant-CD until 10/2014.
=)

2014-04-13 22:01

爱丽斯 梦幻世界

wow Lim, i no good in warrants. But i like Pantech and Trop, and confident to keep for long term .

2014-04-13 22:09

AyamTua

LIM funnylah you when dsonic tanked - people search and rescue for you..
when cmsb tanked - people search and rescue for you ..
now hold warrants lagi when market faced unstability and you know it ...
kikikikiki

2014-04-13 22:11

AyamTua

ah lim ... ah lim ... haih..

2014-04-13 22:12

林俊松

AyamTua, I will hold them for long time, won't in & out so often.
爱丽斯 梦幻世界, then u keep Pantech & Trop for long term, I keep their warrant for long term.
Hahax~

2014-04-13 22:13

jackson87

Exactly ayamtua
Ppl wanted to help him and advise him
But he said as below:

Posted by 林俊松 > Apr 13, 2014 09:32 PM | Report Abuse
andychucky28, true, need to bkful of those unmo cronies.
爱丽斯 梦幻世界, which counters u invest?

Ppl said apple he said apple
Ppl said orange he said orange

Kekkekekekekekekkeke

2014-04-13 22:14

AyamTua

Lim this time when you crash in call warrants the most shortest lifespan ever .. compare to warrant or mother .. ships and planes also tired to do search and rescue loh
kikikiki

2014-04-13 22:16

林俊松

AyamTua, see what happen in May & June only decide~

2014-04-13 22:18

jackson87

Hahahahahaha ayamtua

Eventually he will realize who is the one who help him
By offering him search and rescue
and who Is the one who lead him to hairwire

Kekeekkekekekkeke

2014-04-13 22:20

AyamTua

jackson87: i think the world kasihan LIM much more - perhaps we can should proposed to formed a "Search and Rescue Committee" or "PrayForLim" committee to make donation for LIM everytime he tell us he loss and willing to learn back again on how to invest in stock market! ha...ha..ha...

2014-04-13 22:39

SpeedyBoy

Lim, I was the first to respond to you and am surprised that so many came in and share the same opinion. Now that so many people have offered their opinion and advice, you have to do a bit of thinking and take the next course of action. Good luck !

2014-04-13 22:49

Vincent Wong

Long live for Lim and I will pray for you

2014-04-14 06:08

Steven Yong

Lim, youvare not investing, you are speculating

2014-04-14 08:04

andychucky28

林俊松, for the pass two months i invested in the cronies ctr like Dialog, Muhibbah, Gamuda, Tenaga, ...etc but now all up already..

2014-04-14 08:27

andychucky28

As far as seen, only cronies counter and the GLCs are keep pushing up to maintain the index and the MYR currency. There rest of the counters are either a trap or dead ducks.

2014-04-14 09:19

alphajack

I first started off at RM80k too at the age of 22. Now at 24, I have over 250k but then again I'm an investment banker so that gave me a lot of advantages and also my intelligence helped me beat most of the pikers here. Anyways it's easier to make money if you have the right tools, connections and timing and of course luck plays a hand too. That kid sounds like a dumbass so I would advice him to do more readings and research, maybe study the CFA Level 1 first if he wants to fight against his fellow superior peers like me cause I would destroy him in the market

2014-04-14 10:22

alpha1

lol mirin dat intelligence

2014-04-14 10:25

tewnama

alpha, bukan semua orang sehebat macam u. tak perlu sombong. kalau kamu ada 80k pada usia 22, nampak nya u orang berada. tapi tak perlu sombong dan berlagak.

2014-04-14 10:28

tewnama

macam mana pun, 250k kacang aje

2014-04-14 10:28

jackson87

Haha
Cool down terwana
I respect u as a master
Maybe he jz wants to give lim Brunei a guidance

No fight no war
Most importantly everyone earn money from share market

Lim Brunei
I asked u to join gadang last week
Has been finding u up and down
U see now stood t 1.55

Kekekekekekeke

2014-04-14 10:58

Lim Elson

sai lan rm0.34 stock... what u waiting..

2014-04-14 11:45

Alan Soo Wai Leng

@RM 0.34, could be HOVID?

2014-04-14 14:19

tewnama

tak pasti. tapi encik Tan KW ada bagi beberapa sampel saham

2014-04-14 14:24

johnny cash

so this is a riddle,, so which stock it can be ??

2014-04-14 16:22

hobbits

0.34 current price? I only can narrow to few potential gaining counters. Yes, keep it for the next one year.

2014-04-14 16:36

keladi

lim, i thought u bought trop cd before it surged to 13 cents? you should have made some handsome profits by now

structured warrants are not meant to be hold long term, as there's a time value element to it, the further it is from maturity there's more uncertainty thus opportunity to speculate

most importantly IMHO, do not hold structured warrants to maturity

2014-04-14 17:18

acgerlok5

Lim, where are you? told you to buy symphony kaw kaw mar...and get out of CMSB...haiya, ifu get out, u at least wont lose so hard.

2014-04-14 21:16

Funtrade

alphajack better don't play play with LIM he is a bachelor in Actuarial Science and master in Economics. Now earning Brunei Dollars by teaching tuition.

But how come his investment decision like koyak dan kaput one?
Somemore now got #Pray4LIM tabung

2014-04-14 21:41

bracoli

Lim brunei finally i found u here. Did u contra GADANG today? Jackson veli worried bout y.

2014-04-14 21:46

jackson87

Haha
Bracoli
Rmemeebr last week I found him like hell
Asked him buy gadang

He seemed reluctant, and said 'dog chase food'
He nv appreciated on how we extend help/assistance to him

Tidak menghargai kepada orang yang tolong dia

Kekekkekkeeke

2014-04-14 21:53

bracoli

Wat happened LimBrunei? Jackson tried to help u.
LimBrunei, still holding how many stock? Fundamentally strong onot?

2014-04-14 21:57

jackson87

Bracoli
How is ur gadang?
U sold d?

Maybe we can ask lim to buy saudee
Buy saudee eat saudee
Few mths later get free ticket to Saudi Arabia

Kekekekkekeke

2014-04-14 22:01

jackson87

林俊松
2512 posts
Posted by 林俊松 > Apr 14, 2014 10:00 PM | Report Abuse
RSI already hit 89, I sold my warrant at 85 cents today.
Expect Gadang to have some correction in the next few days.
Overbought~

Lim curi curi heard our advise and buy
Then sold on today

->. Tidak menghargai

Kekekekekkekeke

2014-04-14 22:03

AyamTua

#PrayForLim :-)

2014-04-14 22:16

jackson87

#pray4lim tabung

He is in engtex, pantech
Sold gadang today


Kekekkekekeke

2014-04-14 22:18

Lai Yin Keat

It is better for him to spend 20% of that money and go to kinokuniya and buy technical, psychology and fundamental book and start from there. Tell him don't be lazy and take short cut to make fast money in stocks. I once take the easy way out and trust me, i don't want to go back there ever again.

2014-04-14 23:49

alivetoinvest

Making 100% is really possible, especially if you're hungry to learn. But bear in mind that making 5% or so is still better than fd OR losing money in the stock market. And if ur investing with 10k, tracking your % gain/loss would make you realize your true performance in the market. Good luck bro.

2014-04-15 19:23

chang0509

Who is uncle z?

2014-05-13 23:48

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