you want to be a value investor and want to be a business partner in the invested company..?...

too bad.....this gives rise to an irreconcilable conundrum.

let me explain

this kc and this i3 is filled to the brim with fake value investors.....but what is value, by the way, in the context of stock market?

value is in the eye of the beholder, its a matter of perception, of trends and what is fashionable, ....most definitely not a maths formula. 

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198716600.001.0001/acprof-9780198716600-chapter-3

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value investors like to give you the analogy of a bargain....everyone loves a good bargain....everyone wishes he can  get $ 1 value for a 50 sen payment.........in the stock market, its an illusion.....because while your 50 sen payment is real enough, the $ 1 value in your mind is all an illusion.......its not real.  Its just some thing in your mind. .......and you will be tested soon enough ............

of course, if you look at a proposition as a business proposition, some thing you like to have, some thing you like to be associated with, some thing that identifies you as a person, an identity, an expertise, an interest, .........the relationship can last longer, not so stressful, you don't need to be so stressed up..........and this is the attitude of fund managers when they invest long term in a share.

the conundrum of retail investors who call themselves value investors is real. Very real. It challenges them every time they look at the share market.

value investors? my foot. .......the market moves against you, you will know whether you are value investor or not......value is not as chipped in stone as you think.

the share market is a game...a game people plays.....

Be proud to be a trader / speculator.

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/qqq3/151380.jsp

Fund managers manages a portfolio....they have deep knowledge of portfolio theories and don't feast or famine based on the values of this or that share and next quarter report........

stock market....every era got new heroes, and got people who wants to sell you their services.

as for me.......I think people are smart, ...and they can built their confidence  through experience...and the last thing you need is to surrender to people who hang pig head to sell dog meat....Everyone needs to eventually develop his or her own style. 

whatever the situation, whatever the circumstances, remisiers and gurus will want to sell you their services.....that is no good.

ps.....this article in response to KC article as follows.

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/166584.jsp