Although we won't be able to predict the directions of crude oil and oil and gas counters . But the big , big sharks and the big , big US INVESTMENT BANK should have better knowledge and inside informations . When the price is at highest range , they will say can go higher . When the price is at the lowest range , they will say can go lower so that they can accumulate . When the price is picking up from low to middle range , they will still say not sustainable ,. But when the price is at the highest level. They will say it can go much higher and at the same time , they will push up and down with bigger trading range to attract more retail buyers sold that they will distribute to them .

A lots of retail buyers were mind set by the sharks . Like AIRASIA case , same counter , two rounds , from lowest level to highest level , they missed it . Many of them were frightened by the sharks . They are now waiting for profit taking , but the sharks won't give you chance . Just like when SAPNRG's price we're pressed down from 0.97 - 0.70 , the sharks also didn't give chance , now sharp sustainable rebound . The more retail buyers sold to them , the higher they will push up the price . For those who have strong holding power can buy and.average down . The sharks have gone in , they will press down and push up along the way to the north , . The retail buyers must think will.this company close shop so.easily ,??? Many sharks still depend on this counter to cari makan . Your risk is 0.665 before this push up , now is 0.875 , .but if you lose all , the big sharks are worst than you .

Yes , cost average down is very important and will let you have the chance to make huge profits especially when the share price is trading at the range of historical low and the company has a better prospects in the future . A lots of retail buyers make mistakes when a company's share price has gone up from lowest level to highest level , they do average down from the highest level all the way down to the upper middle high level when the company's is only worth 20 % of its highest share price . For example , A company only worth 20 sens but was pushed up to one ringgit from 10 sen within a short period , the retail buyers did average down from 1.0 , 0.95 , 0.9 , 0.8 and 0.75 and use all his funds . The retail buyers will either be knot out or trapped for ever .

For retail buyers , your entry point must be right or lower than the sharks average cost , if they press the price down , you can average down or even doubled average down on condition that the fundamental of the company is ok or won't close shop so fast and you have strong holding power . Then you can just dance along with the sharks up until the daily volume traded is very high and the price doubled or even higher depend on the counter , then you can seriously consider to sell all your shareholding to them and take a long rest .

Smaller sharks may only control one or two counters at one time . For bigger sharks , they may control 5 - 10 counters at one time but for big , big , big sharks , they may be able to control 30 - 50 at one time and play by rotation ???? .

A lots of similar cases like HENGYUAN , PMETAL , IWCITY , HUAAN , PETRONM , or even JAKS , EKOVEST , MALTON etc When their prices were traded at low range , the daily volume traded were low also , because the sharks only want to accumulate and not distribute , along the way of pushing up , they will carry out press and dump exercise . For many others penny stocks ranged between RM 0.03 - 005 , without good fundamental , the smaller sharks will take few years to accumulate until almost cornered the counter then only they will push up the share price quickly and distribute the shares quickly to retail buyers .

When they repeat this tactic again and again , most of the retail buyers will be misled and mind set . The retail buyers can see only one or two trees in front of them but can't see the whole forest in front of them . They will slowly accumulate back the shares they have sold and push up the price again to a high level for redistribution again . By the time when their business become better , a lots of writers wearing Rolex and using monblanct pen will write a lots of good stories again to attract more retail buyers to buy at higher price again . The share price will be more volatile with bigger trading range .

They have slowly distrubuted multi millions of shares from around 4.00 to 2.00 and so within the range between 1.40 - 1.90 this year . May be they wanted to push down the price to 1.0 - 1.20 only ?
Beyond their expectations , a lots of retail buyers rushed into it and bought a lots of shares between 0.97 - 1.06 , so they pressed it down again to 0.79 - 0.83 again . When more and more retail buyers jumped in to buy around 0.78 - 0.80 , they did another round to 0.70 again . Final round they pressed down to 0.665 to create the most panic situation to prevent retail buyers to buy . After few rounds of press and dump many retail buyers have given up or can afford to lose anymore . Most of the retail buyers were affected and mind set by them . Same cases like ARMADA and UMWOG , the differences between them may be the degree of price and volume traded .

When AIRASIA was traded around 70 over sens in year 2009 , a lots of retail buyers were panic. Some panic cut lost , some bought low and sold with few sens gains , without the awareness of the retail buyers , AIRASIA shares climbed up and traded around 3 - 4 ringgits within two to three years . Similarly , the share price plunged to below 80 sens again in August in the year 2015 , most of the retail buyers did the same things like what they have done before , some panic cut lost again , some made a few sens gains and AIRASIA share price shot up to more than RM 3.0 within a year . If the retail buyers have done their homework and learn from the past experiences , they should not be affected by the few sens up and down of the share price . What they should do is to think and do homework in order to determine whether the company will close shop or not ? From the point of the fundamental aspects of the company and the movements including the daily volume traded . If the company is going to close down , the daily volume traded will be huge but the share price will go down slowly without a sharp rebound for few months or even years depend on the size of the company . For examples , SAAG , PECD. LIONCORP and many others . For company like
SAPNRG , it won't happen in just a short time . How many listed companies in Bursa have a yearly turnover of more than 10 billions ??? . A lots of big sharks still depend on this company to cari Amman . How can it be close shop so easily ??? If we look at the queues of buyers and sellers , easily more than ten of thousands lots in any second , who are they ??? Majorities of them are theirs . If retail buyers purchase more then they will press down the price until retail buyers are forced to sell . If retail buyers sold more to them , then they will push up a bit , a bit . The more retail buyers have sold , the higher the price they will push up . They will do this level by level . They won't be so stupid to push up the share price quickly to 1.0 or 1.20 within few days to let the retail buyers to get profit or recover back their losses unless some very very good news are to be announced ???

MRCB , UEMS , FGV and DRBHCOM goreng Kaki are mostly the same , they take turns .

You are welcomed ! We are here just to share some views and to share some gains from the sharks .

Similar scenario can be seen on other counters . HUAAN has been quite for few years . Thin daily volume traded daily . Its shares changed hands from weaker retail buyers to them . When good news come , the share price will shoot up . Same for HWGB which was traded with thin Volume in year 2009 and before , When good news or rumors spread out , the share price shot up from 20 sen to 1.00 within few months or a year only ..

Why the sharks engaged some writers which can only expressed their opinions in one or two words only to act on behalf of them ? ? ?

Some listed companies especially GLCs have very powerful goreng kaki , high volatility and fluctuate few times within a year , but for many small size listed companies , the cook is hawkers Stall's cook . A bigger gap between buyers bid and sellers bid , thin Volume , tight controlled , goreng once in few years , goreng when almost cornered the shares.Some may shot up few times , some May be 30 - 50 % only .

It indicates that the former company of UEMS which had weaker financial position could have a so high volatility Within 14 years , 3 rounds of extremely low to extremely high , why can't the same be happened to UEMS which has better financial positions and huge land bank in Johor ? Further more , TOP 30 largest shareholders include many government agencies .

How can SAPNRG make gains from other parties trading in shares in open market when the company does not carry out shares buy back ??? How can SAPNRG recognize the gains from trading in shares when it does not carry out any trade ?? Is there any immediate disclosure in BURSA ???

When crude oil plunged from USD 100 in year 2014 to USD 60 in year 2015 , most of the US BIG INVESTMENT BANKS did not tell the public the crude oil will drop to USD 26-30 in JAN-FEB 2016 , why ? May be they are technically not sound ? May be they want retail buyers to catch the falling knife all the way from USD 60 - 26 ? When the crude oil price traded around USD 26 - 30 , they kept on telling crude oil will drop further to USD 20 or even lower , so that to prevent retail buyers from buying at the lower levels . When SAPNRG was trading around 1.4 - 1.60 during October - November 2017 , most of the analysts recommended hold again on 16 Nov 2017 , even though they had recommended hold for this counter on 28 September 2017 why ? May be the same reasons as US big Investment Bank ?? Less than a month , on 8 December 2017 , Some of them suddenly so kind and revised their target prices to a lower range , why , ? When the share price is trading at a the historical low level , why discourage retail buyers from buying ?? Be a gentleman , to earn or to get your wealth in a right way . Be consistent , be responsible and with principles when expressing your views .

Did the boss say so ?

For PUNCAK case , the share price did shot up from around 1.60 to around 2.80 after disposal of its investments , before the company did a distribution of capital of around RM 1.0 . Then the share price was adjusted to around 1.60 . Then the share price dropped to around 1.0 last year and subsequently rebounded to around 1.50 . After that the share price dropped slowly to around 0.62 now . This means when a company made huge profits or gains on disposal of investment , the company's share price will go up like other similar cases , like GLBHD ( TANAMAS ) , LBS , or even cases like FACBIND and TEXCHEM . It is just a matter of times .

For those who have more and strong holding power , why worry about the down side of 10 sen or 20 sen from 70 sen ? If the oil price can sustain around 60 - 70 , and Petronas started giving out contracts , SAPNRG is the leader in Oil and gas industry , surely it will get contract . When oil price dropped from US 100 per barrel in year 2014 to around US 30 in January 2016 , US big investment banks said oil price will drop further US 20 or even lower , but did it happen ? No , it didn't . Oil price dropped to US 26 and make a U TURN to more than US 60 now .. For a big listed company like SAPNRG , a lot of sharks need to cari makan , its share price can not be hang on for long long time , unless the company can not return back to profit .

TAGB has shares issued of more than 5 billions , assuming 1 billion shares still in the hands of retail buyers , if the share price is pushed up 20 sen within a month from 0.35 , and all retail shareholders sell the shares to the sharks , the sharks will have to pay out additional 200 millions . So they will quietly and slowly accumulate until the time has come or they have no choice but have to push up the share price .

When Muhibah was trading around 0.82 - 84 few years ago , after the quarter results announced with huge losses ( included impairment losses ) , some analysts recommended sell , sell sell , target price 0.79 . What happened was Muhibah's share price shot up all the way to more than 3.00
Within a year or two years .? Same case for WASEONG when it was trading around 0.70 ,
Some analysts recommended sell , sell sell , target price below 0.50 , what happened to Waseong now , within a year shot up to around 1.18- 1.20 ??? .

Recommended to hold , but on 8 December 2017 , which was after the panic selling , they revised
their target prices to 0.73 - 1.69 , those who have revised their target prices within less than a month should have told retail buyers earlier before the panic selling ?

If you look at the target prices given by some broking firms on 28 September 2017 , ranged between 1.32 - 1.72 , on 16 Nov 2017 ranged between 1.35 - 1.72 , most of them recommended

If the trading volume is thin , it means major shareholders are not selling . If the company's future growth or prospects are good which we do not know , but the major shareholders know , then they will accumulate quietly and slowly . When analysts give good comments , the share price may had gone up a lot or even doubled from the current price . If we can evaluate the company's performance in the next one or two years , then we can decide whether to buy , to hold or to sell the share .

If the major shareholders think Puncak worth less than the market price , they should have sell most of their shares . Let all retail buyers buy more than 50 percent and dissolve or liquidate the company and get a better refund of capital .

If you look at those listed companies which have been delisted or going to be delisted , there are some similarities . The companies are in deep financial difficulties or may be worth nothing , and the daily volume is always very high or always on the top active list for few months or even years , but the share price is going down slowly . Whereas for Puncak , the daily volume is thin . If you look at HUAAN , the last few years volume was thin , it means the major shareholders are not selling . They know their companies very well and they have some informations which we don't know . We can only just the company with volume and some public data or knees .

EPF has its own way of buying and selling shares . I am wondering also why they are selling shares at this moment ? But some how later , We may discover its shareholding has actually been increased over a period of time .

Puncak has entered into an agreement with TRIPLC to a plantation cost more than 200 m, some analysts give negative comments on it . .anyhow the daily volume for Puncak is thin , it means it has reached bottom . Unless all cash disappeared within one or two years , The share price will pick up .

I am not sure about the date of EGM . Both parties have signed the conditional agreement on 30 October 2017 , if based on normal sale and purchase agreement of a property , and if the deal is not cancelled , the ideal shall be completed within 3 months plus one month , latest should be by end of February 2018.

During the years 1993 - 1996 , there were more than 2 millions active accounts holders trading in Bursa , now may be 2 - 3 hundred thousand left in the market . Majority could be Sharks nominees accounts . It means retail buyers are trading against sharks and funds . Even if the fundamental of company is good , the sharks will control the price until most of the retail buyers sold the shares to them .or may be until the have no choice but to push up the share price .

For a real investor like Warren Buffett , investment means to invest in the shares of a company when its share price is undervalued especially When it is quoted only half of its fair value .

Thanks to Khatulistiwa1234 . We are here to share opinions , so that we can make some profits from share market either through capital gains from the growth of the company or dividends pay out by the company . If the share price is undervalued , we can just buy and keep . Why discourage other investors from buying ?

Similar cases with DUTALND . GLBHD ( 7382 or formerly known as TANAMAS , sold land for huge capital gains . Share price shot up from less than 1.00 to nearly 2.00 in year 2015 . Same case for LBS , sold land in CHINA in year 2013, made huge gains on disposal for about Remibi 1.3- 1.4 , which means Rm 650 millions and the share price shot up from around 90 sen to 2.00 within few months . Why so many writers discourage retail buyers from buying the shares ?

Bjcorp was trading around 10 sen in year 2005 . Then it was pushed up to around 1.50 in year 2007 . After that , in year 2008 -2009 , the price dropped to around 40 over sens . In year 2010 , due to the rumors of football gambling license , it shot up to around 1.90 - 2.0 . For the past few years it was trading around 0.32 to as high of 60 over sens in year 2014. Down side limited and more than 50 percent hold in the hands of major shareholders . If add up nominees accounts , may be more than 70 percent .

Mhb and icon have limited down side .

When the sharks are doing press and dump , they will engage some writers to write a lot of bad things to prevent the retail buyers from buying at cheaper price , so that they can make huge profits .

The sharks may just push up and down within a narrow range until the time when they have no choice but have to push up the share price .

When a leader company's shares price is at historical low or close to historical low , What investors should do are to determine whether the future prospects of that company . If it willl be good then buy and keep , if it will not be good or become bad , then just don't buy or cut lost . The sharks may just push down another few sens just to make the retail buyers panic. How many sens the sharks will push down from 70 sen depend on the amount of shares the retail buyers will buy . The more retail buyers buy , the sharks will push down more until the level the sharks also can afford to lose . For Sapnrg , it may be 70 sen or worse like ARMADA 50 sen which is unlikely . For AIRASIA case dropped to 70 over sens it rebounded quickly , now around 3.30 . For Uems , it dropped to around 77 sen in last quarter of 2015 , but it rebounded to around 1.50 within few months . How fast and how high the share price can go , it depends on how fast and how much shares the retail buyers have sold besides the fundamental of the.company . Even if the fundamental of the company is good , if most of the shares are in the hands of retail buyers , the sharks will not push up quickly and let the retail buyers make a lot of money .only those who have the highest level of patient can make most profit from the sharks . But the sharks will redistribute those shares they bought from retail buyers at high price to subsequent retail buyers .

A lot of funds managers did suffer papers losses after they have bought a company's shares . What they did was to buy more and average down the cost and make sure the company future growth is good . Warren Buffett always says every morning when he wakes up , he is looking for other investors stupid actions so that he can buy more shares at cheaper price .

When a leader company in a particular industry , for example PMETAL in aluminum industry , AIRASIA in airline , PUBLIC Bank and MAYBANK in banking industry .If they can not do well , that means the whole industry is dead or sunset , same for SAPNRG in Oil and gas industry .

What happened to Fgv was it shot up to 2.30 within few months .

When ARMADA dropped from 2.00 to 0.70 , those who bought and cut lost at 0.68, 0.65 seemed to have done a good job , but if they have not bought back at 0.51 , Then they had suffered losses and have to buy back at 0.75 now . For those who have cut lost at 0.70 - 0.71 , they may not have chance to buy back at 0.51 like ARMADA case if SAPNRG . For those who said sell , sell sell , cut lost ,cut lost cut lost at this level 0.70 , they should have told retail buyers not to buy when Sapnrg was trading around 1.80- 2.0 , or asked retail buyers to cut lost at 1.40 - 1.50 before this panic sale happened . There are some people engaged by sharks to write a lot of bad things about the company in order to mislead and prevent retail buyers from buying at cheap price and facilitate sharks to buy at low price and make huge profits . When KNM was trading more than 2.0 , a lot of analysts and writers said good . When Knm share price dropped to 0.47 , some analysts kept telling to sell or cut lost at 0.47 because target price was 0.42 sometimes in the first quarter of 2014 . What happened was KNM share price shot up to more than 1.10 before year end of 2014 . Same case for Fgv a year ago , when it's share price was around 1.33 - 1.38 , analysts kept telling sell , sell sell , target price 1.29 only .

A better way to invest or buy shares is not to use margin and get involved with all the aunties and uncles which will disturb you along the way . One of the very important point is the entry point , that means the price you buy the share . You must buy the share at price below its fair value and to ensure the future growth of the company is good in order to avoid losses . If the company's share is over priced and you missed from the beginning , then let it go , don't chase , wait for other counters .

When a listed company's shares price is low or below its fair value , and the company's prospects in the next few years will be good , the boss and the sharks will quietly and slowly accumulate until almost cornered the shares . Along the way in pushing the shares price , they will push a bit and dump a bit with thin Volume . By the time when they have accumulated enough , they will speed up the pushing . When the share price is few times higher or few hundred percent up then the range of up and down become greater , so that they can attract more retail buyers in order for them to distribute the shares to retailers at high price . When the share price is low , tight range , when the share price is few times higher from the low , the range is very much greater . Examples hengyuan , petronm , huaan , Pmetal etc

Umwog is trading at the range from 28sen - 38 sen at this moment , down side limited , upside is very much more than that . If you buy at 28 sen and sell at 37 sen , you can make more than 30 % , even if you are trapped for two years , your return is still more than 15 % a year .

Look at Hengyuan a year ago, when it dropped from 5.00 to 2.20 , a falling knife ? Within a year rocketed up to 19.20 , if you buy at 19.0 and average down at 18.00 and so on at 17.0 then you are catching a falling knife .!

How low can SAPNRG go ? 3 sen , 5 sen or 30 ? Or 50 sen ? If you have extra money to invest and prepare for one or two years , why worry about it , falling knife ? When the share price was 4.00 dropped to 3.0 , it was falling knife , when it dropped from 3.0 to 2.0 , it could be falling knife , when it dropped from 2.0 to 1.20 , it might be falling knife - but if the share price is 0.70 , you can do average to lower down your cost as long as the company won't go bankrupt , you can make a good profit in one or two years .

If the boss keep on buying and the company's shares are worth very much more than the market price , all investors should follow the boss . Those who have a lot of money in bank can follow the boss . The share price dropped from around 0.55 in NOVEMBER 2009 to around 0.20 .now the company's projects have started and the company is making profit for last few quarters and is expected to make more profit in the next few years . For a company with few billions shares , if all retail shareholders own a billion shares , and the boss push up 50 sen in a short period , then the boss and goreng Kaki will suffer a huge loss . So when the price is low , they won't push up a lot . Just like HUAAN , HENGYUAN , PETRONM , the price up and down very fast .

If PUNCAK has one billion cash in hand , how much and how fast the cash can be disappeared ? When the volume is thin , it means the price is almost bottom ! The up and down of few sens is only to catch contra players by the cheap ! Cheap goreng Kali .