I believe the earning of Hengyuan in 2018 can be good too. Of course it cannot be better than 2017.
I just want to say the share price of Hengyuan does not actually reflect the true earning.
Nestle is trading at a PER of 46, Hengyuan is trading at a PER of 3.5.
To me it is not a fair price of Hengyuan due to bad impression of China stock.

You talk with facts, no one will delete your posts.

Many readers do not like to read nonsense or argue without fact writing.

Please show me any stock in KLSE can show explosive earning like Hengyuan in 2017.
I believe the earning of Hengyuan is no 1 in KLSE.

Many people have a bad impression of China red chips, it affects the price of Hengyuan.
Moreover, there is no support on share price of Hengyuan from Chinese fund.
The stock price can drop from 19.20 to 11.32 within a few days affect the price sentiment of Hengyuan.
There is always no confidence on China stock listed in KLSE.

FA of Sendai is not good, please be honest.

Please do not always think that the white is always very good. China man is always backward and no material in their mind.

World had changed. Hengyuan new management can upgrade Euro 3 to Euro 4 at a cheaper price than Shell.

The new management is more efficient and able to deliver better result than Shell old management.

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stock market is always very cruel, the winner will win at the expense of loser. There are many dirty tricks to be a winner.

Please remember if you want to invest in stock market, never trust any person except yourself. Verify the facts and check your homework to ensure your probability to win is high.

Never ... never ... trust any person except yourself.

The profit of Hengyuan should be no 1 in KLSE, no value in term of share price.
The price can drop from 19.20 to 11.32 within a few days.
A big joke in town.

China stock already has very bad reputation in KLSE, Hengyuan is supposed to be considered as blue chip to be.
I think all investors have lost confidence on China stock.

To China fund, it is nothing to support Hengyuan share price. They choose to ruin the image of China stock.

Petrol China and Sinopec can trade at a PER > 100, PER of Hengyuan is < 5 also cannot support.
No hope.

In this world, no stock is trading at such low PER for a refinery stock except Hengyuan.
PER is around 3.5 now.
Looking forward to 2018 earning, PER = 5.

Tell me any refinery stock in this world is trading a PER < 5.

Please read the below link.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/rhinvest/145713.jsp
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According to Southeast Asia Iron and Steel Industries, the annual total steel consumption in Malaysia is about 10m tonnes for the past four years from 2013 to 2016, while the total capacity of the four major steel rebar maker in Malaysia is only 8.5m.

Historically, domestic steel demand was mainly supported by local production and cheap imports from China. Nevertheless, the scenario has changed since year 2016 after China committed to performing structural supply-side reforms in its steel sectors due to an overcapacity issue.

As a result, steel prices are trending up due to capacity elimination. There is not likely to see huge decline in global steel prices moving forwards.

Overall, most of the local steel companies are currently enjoying strong cash flows and reasonably good demand visibility in the intermediate term.
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Look like uncle Koon is wrong again, OTB is right again.

Demand of long steel bar is greater than supply of long steel bar.

Hence it is very important to do homework rather than listen to rumour.

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OTB promised his wife that he will not write in Hengyuan forum.

He told me to post the below information here for him. I am one of his followers.

OTB sold all his holding of Hengyuan at 14.68 (50%) and 17.48 (50%) respectively.
He bought back 10% of his previous holding at 16.64.
He already bought back balance 40% of his previous holding only from 12.52 to 15.10.
He told his followers not to buy back > 50% of previous holding to protect the profit made.

A good report. Good job done.

5.25 sellers are real or not.
Block the price from moving up.
Gamuda-WE is real cheap, not much premium, a good buy if the mother share can cross 5.25.

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I heard rumour that the management of Hengyuan will give out 0.50 dividend after Q4 2017 result is out.
davidtslim also mentioned in his article.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/davidtslim/144836.jsp

The management wants the public to have an impression that Hengyuan is a coming blue chip stock to be. The stock price will move up north automatically once 0.50 dividend is announced.
Please be patience to wait.
Hope this news is not a rumour, a true news.

Any bank will not lend a big loan if the company is not well run and has a good management team.
BNM is also not so stupid to approve this big loan.

Jon Choivo, please do not spread rumour on Mr OTB, he is only a small fly. In no way he is behind to push up Masteel.
He buys Masteel because both TA and FA are good.
OTB told his followers, he had retired from I3.
OTB posted his article here because someone bad mouth this stock.

Value for money. Very low premium.
Cannot understand the reason this warrant cannot perform.

I know Mr OTB is always talk with facts and figures, he does not like to tell lies. His excellent records in I3 make me have faith in him.
He told readers here to buy Hengyuan at 5.95, he told all readers the first target price is 15.00. The second target price is 17.50.
All target prices were achieved in very short time.
I believe the target price of Masteel will be achieved in very short time too.
Mr OTB I believe you.

Posted by Datokim > Jan 19, 2018 01:40 PM | Report Abuse

I am willing to start accumulate once below 11.4 if afternoon sell down again, I dare collect 10% of kyy dumping if he still selling kikiki ..I got no worry of IB selling or short selling...my source informed no crazy fool will short sell bcos paid up too small, unless owner selling.. but also no reflecting as the volume is so little, if you study carefully ,everday actual sellers is not more than 3 million, my hk friend help me to analyse that kyy the most can sell out 10 to 12 m, if my friend is correct, kyy will dare not sell again for time being ....but I still hope couple with force sell n he sell down again so I bolih dapat 11.4 downward !! Kikikiki

Datokim,
Uncle Koon will not sell so cheap to you at 11.40. Uncle Koon is a super investor.
If you can buy up to 10 million shares, please buy now to help to push up the share price.
Buy at ridiculous price at 11.40 is to talk and shior sendiri only.

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My TP for this Heng Yuan remains RM30 by June 2018.

A good report.
Hope your wish comes true. Market rewards you for your good work done.

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Posted by kimhaolian > Dec 26, 2017 03:49 PM | Report Abuse

wow...when OTB called to buy at 5.++ so many people attacked him...
now before 31 Dec already break 15....
so many people are bangging head to wall now....

Posted by longkanginvestor > Dec 26, 2017 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

Mr otb tp of rm15 really achieved before year end..salute

All attackers should put aside different opinion and buy Hengyuan to make money.
Due to personal pride, all attackers missed out this money making opportunity. A very sad case.

It is not true that Mr OTB's target price at 15.00 is dreamland high.

Posted by oldeagle > Jan 6, 2018 11:05 PM | Report Abuse

OTB is really a short sighted guy and will bang his BALLS real hard this time !

And he dares not comment anything this round after selling too early as KYY said HY is still the best stock of Bursa history.

Most of his followers also will curse him.

Posted by pjseow > Jan 6, 2018 11:29 PM | Report Abuse

There is nothing wrong if OTB sold his HY shares above his target price of RM 15 which he had consistently said in the forum . Since his target was met much earlier and even higher ,there is nothing wrong if he sells above RM 18 during the last day of Dec 17 or earlier. He may have re collected the same amount of shares at below 17 in the last few days . He may have made a few hundred thousands from the difference in prices and yet maintain the same number of shares now .

Posted by pjseow > Jan 6, 2018 11:35 PM | Report Abuse

OTB is good at both FA and TA . These two knowledge combined are very powerful tools . He may have seen the shooting star reversal and took the fast action . The small hammer yesterday could also be another reversal of the down trend .

I quote OTB's famous statement
Buying share is not a skill, selling share is a skill.
pjseow, you are very good.
I believe your statement.
I also believe OTB is very good in both TA and FA.
OTB is smart and brilliant to make very good decision.
There is no right or wrong in stock market, it is important to make money overall.
May be OTB had bought back all his shares below 17.00 in the last few days, no one can confirm it.

Posted by Operator > Jan 18, 2018 05:51 PM | Report Abuse

Need some real clarifications here :Someone very active in stock market told me that whenever KYY and OTB team up to promote heavily on a stock, after awhile, OTB will use the excuse of being attacked by i3 members and will NOT contribute and appear anymore. He will disappear. Then the stock price started to collapse. Then OTB will appear again after a while claiming he would like to help others. OTB has been appearing and disappearing for a number of times in i3. As much as i would like to give them the benefits of doubt, too many incidents happened already. Those long enough in i3, feel free to give your opinion.

Posted by mrtai021 > Jan 18, 2018 05:55 PM | Report Abuse

Please don't blame anyone here. KYY OTB promote this stock RM 5. So latecomers u should know your risk

Comments :

We, his followers feel that there are a few persons who are very unfair to OTB.
OTB recommended Hengyuan at 5.95, sold some at 14.68 and the balance at 17.48.

We do not see anything wrong with him. He did not promote Hengyuan anymore and retire from I3 because he promised his wife that he will not recommend Hengyuan anymore in I3.

Please be fair and get information correct. All his followers advised him not to post his write up in I3.
We knew that he had stopped posting in I3.

Blaming him will not make you a better person, invest at your own risk.

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Please read the report again.
Attached is a report from davidtslim to confirm crack spread is a gain, definitely not a 20% loss. There were daily crack spreads from 1/10/2017 to 31/12/2017.

Call warrant is not a fair play, it benefits issuer only.
Please check your work before you buy.

Please read the below link.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Nikkei-Markets/MARKET-BUZZ-Malaysia-s-...

"There could be a weaker upcoming 4Q earnings compared to 3Q, due to about 20% drop in crack spread," says RHB Investment Bank analyst Lim Sin Kiat;

Ans : Q4 2017 is from 1/10/2017 to 31/12/2017, is there any drop in crack margin ? Ans is no. In actual fact, it is a better crack margin. It is a gain, definitely not 20% drop in crack spread.

RHB Investment Bank analyst Lim Sin Kiat is telling big lies here. He should be responsible for his action.

Please read the below link.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Nikkei-Markets/MARKET-BUZZ-Malaysia-s-...

"There could be a weaker upcoming 4Q earnings compared to 3Q, due to about 20% drop in crack spread," says RHB Investment Bank analyst Lim Sin Kiat;

Q4 2017 is from 1/10/2017 to 31/12/2017, is there any drop in crack margin ? Ans is no. In actual fact, it is a better crack margin.

Who tells him that there is a 20% drop in crack spread ? Ans is bullshit.

Another incident :
Another newspaper reported there is a 90% drops in Crack Spread in Singapore report. The actual drop is only 9% but not 90%.

All this type of information is to make the stock price of Hengyuan drops and to frighten away all weak holders.

Please verify the facts, they are all wrong facts.

If you invest in Hengyuan and listen to all rumour, you are going to lose money.

Q4 2017 period was already closed. The present lower crack spread is meant for Q1 2018.

Is Q4 2017 result good or not ?
I think Q4 2017 result should be slightly better than Q3 2017 based on crack margin, forex gain and inventory gain.
You will see good quarter result released in Feb 2018.

Any selling down is a good opportunity to buy. FA was not changed at all.

Please read the below link.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Nikkei-Markets/MARKET-BUZZ-Malaysia-s-Oil-Refiners-Fall-On-Weaker-Margin-Expectations

This person did not get his facts correct. I still laughing at his remarks. Any good sifu like Raider, please explain and scold him.

The TA of Hengyuan is still good as of 12/1/2018. It is still up trending stock.
Some one told this forum that Hengyuan chart is already a down trending stock since last week.

Please answer me the below questions :
1. Is the price below 200 days SMA ? Ans is No.

2. Is the price forming lower low on 12/1/2018 ? Ans is No. The lower low at 15.94 is broken today, but not before 12/1/2018.

Rumour :
KYY is selling, hence the price is dropping like no tomorrow.

All aforesaid information is to frighten all weak holders. Please check your homework, are they telling lies to you ?

Q4 2017 period is over, the period now is Q1 2018.
Is Q4 2017 result good or not ?
I think Q4 2017 result should be slightly better than Q3 2017 based on crack margin, forex gain and inventory gain.
In this case, the price of Hengyuan should be up instead of down.

I wish the price of Hengyuan will be down a lot so that I can buy cheap. The best scenario is gap down and hit 15.94.

If you can hold Hengyuan, I believe you should profit from this stock. No worries, hold on until Feb 2018.

Hengyuan always open high, trend higher at the opening.
The price will retrace later to lower low and close lower to form Red candle.
This trend must change and the price must close higher to form Blue candle.

Big shark will sell down at least 5 to 10 bids down.
Let this big shark sells down, patience to wait for cheap sales.

Please have more negative comment so that the price will drop further.
I wish to collect more.

Posted by HENG YUAN PE 7 IS COMING!! > Jan 10, 2018 11:38 PM | Report Abuse

I work as accountant.... this coming quarter confirm have tax , but only part of the profit will be tax.... because there is having re reinvestment allowance haven't ultilize some

Accountant,
Please note that 1.1 billion tax credit cannot be fully used up in 2017,
Hence there is no tax in 2017 earning. No tax lah in 2017.
Please check OTB write up.

Look like someone is blocking Gamuda-WE to collect cheap.
Warrant should be better than call warrant.

Cannot understand why Gamuda-WE cannot move up like mother.
It is better to buy warrant than mother.

Someone placed a 2 million Gamuda-WE shares to sell and block the price.
Look like syndicates have not collected enough.

Blue line will definitely cross above Red line.
Whole world stock markets are super bullish especially US market.
KLSE market also turns bullish now and we expect Chinese New Year rally is on now.

Posted by kimhaolian > Dec 26, 2017 03:49 PM | Report Abuse

wow...when OTB called to buy at 5.++ so many people attacked him...
now before 31 Dec already break 15....
so many people are bangging head to wall now....

Posted by longkanginvestor > Dec 26, 2017 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

Mr otb tp of rm15 really achieved before year end..salute

All attackers should put aside different opinion and buy Hengyuan to make money.
Due to personal pride, all attackers missed out this money making opportunity. A very sad case.

It is not true that Mr OTB's target price at 15.00 is dreamland high.

Posted by oldeagle > Jan 6, 2018 11:05 PM | Report Abuse

OTB is really a short sighted guy and will bang his BALLS real hard this time !

And he dares not comment anything this round after selling too early as KYY said HY is still the best stock of Bursa history.

Most of his followers also will curse him.

Posted by pjseow > Jan 6, 2018 11:29 PM | Report Abuse

There is nothing wrong if OTB sold his HY shares above his target price of RM 15 which he had consistently said in the forum . Since his target was met much earlier and even higher ,there is nothing wrong if he sells above RM 18 during the last day of Dec 17 or earlier. He may have re collected the same amount of shares at below 17 in the last few days . He may have made a few hundred thousands from the difference in prices and yet maintain the same number of shares now .

Posted by pjseow > Jan 6, 2018 11:35 PM | Report Abuse

OTB is good at both FA and TA . These two knowledge combined are very powerful tools . He may have seen the shooting star reversal and took the fast action . The small hammer yesterday could also be another reversal of the down trend .

I quote OTB's famous statement
Buying share is not a skill, selling share is a skill.
pjseow, you are very good.
I believe your statement.
I also believe OTB is very good in both TA and FA.
OTB is smart and brilliant to make very good decision.
There is no right or wrong in stock market, it is important to make money overall.
May be OTB had bought back all his shares below 17.00 in the last few days, no one can confirm it.

Bill Gate said he is not very good in study. Those classmates who are very good in study work as engineers under him.
Likewise, you do not need to be very qualified to make money in stock market.

Those listen and believe all sifu said and buy Hengyuan around 6.00 should make a lot of money.
Those refused to listen to all sifu and argue until cow comes home, did not make a single cents on Hengyuan.

The price should cross 2.00 easily in Feb 2018 after Q4 2017 good result.
Move up again before bonus issue ex.

Which country has the most foreign reserve ?
China but not USA.

Which country consumed the most crude oil ?
China but not USA.

Please do not underestimate China.

According to Jim Roger,
19 century belongs to UK.
20 century belongs to USA.
21 century belongs to China.

I had checked with staffs of Hengyuan (formerly Shell), they told me the new management (Hengyuan) is better than old management (Shell).
Better system and better technology.

Let time tells us whether Hengyuan will be better than Shell.

China is expanding its influence and increasing its investment in SEA.
I am not surprised China will buy a few refinery plants in Malaysia.

Please do not embarrass China, never always think white man is always better than Chinese.

Thing has changed and the world has changed.
21 century is no longer dominated by white man, it is Chinese domination.

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Thank you Hengyuan to give us a big Chinese New Year Ang Pow in advanced.
Thank you all sifu to recommend Hengyuan to us. Appreciate your sharing and hardwork.
Wishing all sifu a "Happy and Prosperous New Year 2018".
Hope sifu to recommend another good stock like Hengyuan in 2018.

Posted by kimhaolian > Dec 26, 2017 03:49 PM | Report Abuse

wow...when OTB called to buy at 5.++ so many people attacked him...
now before 31 Dec already break 15....
so many people are bangging head to wall now....

Posted by longkanginvestor > Dec 26, 2017 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

Mr otb tp of rm15 really achieved before year end..salute

All attackers should put aside different opinion and buy Hengyuan to make money.
Due to personal pride, all attackers missed out this money making opportunity. A very sad case.

It is not true that Mr OTB's target price at 15.00 is dreamland high.

Posted by Whey Whey > Dec 27, 2017 09:48 AM | Report Abuse

No need pay tax if u seldom trade but u might need to pay tax if u trade daily basic because it considers as ur job...I remember i read it somewhere...

Ans : Not true. No one pays capital gain tax so far in Malaysia.