Posted by ordinaryjoe > Mar 6, 2018 11:29 PM | Report Abuse

IF I were KYY, i would also have sold after the disappointing 4Q results.

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Compare Q4 2017 against Q4 2016, compare apple to apple basis by taking out tax. Q4 2017 is 247 mil against Q4 2016 207 mil.
Q4 2017 is better.
Not fair comment.

Posted by sam336 > Mar 6, 2018 11:21 PM | Report Abuse

According to chart, HY is on wave C down. Next target range:7.5-8.5 to find its bottom before stabalizing . Everyone should be very cautious. The low will definitely breaking lower in term of price.

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Please do not frighten readers here, the low can be the end of down trend
Wave C.
It means the correction is over, A, B and C correction had been completed.
Not necessary to have A, B, C, D and E correction.
Please note that the price is still above 200 days SMA, it means a minor correction of A, B and C.
My sifu is very good in TA.

Do not attack any writer here.
Please show us your reports to justify your comments.

Empty tin made the most noises.

Please read the good report from David_Tan,

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/financialpedia/149856.jsp

A very good report, I like it.
Good work.
Look like David Tan and David Lim are all very good analysts.
Thumb up !!

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The auditor of Hengyuan is PWC which is an international reputed auditor.

Do you think the account of Hengyuan can be manipulated until the China man takes back all money and left behind an empty cell only ?

Posted by kuaTAKtahu > Mar 6, 2018 12:17 PM | Report Abuse

There is RM267.7 mil carried forward tax losses which can be utilized for income tax exemption. Let see how much has been utilized so far for Hengyuan in 2017 as below

RM267.7 mil carried forward tax losses can be utilized for 2017 or 2018.
Please clarify.
There is an income tax of 25% for Q4 2017.

Posted by kuaTAKtahu > Mar 6, 2018 12:18 PM | Report Abuse

Has about 11 months of time and they may seek technical help from parent company as Hengyuan China is currently producing Euro 5 products

You are very good in your writing and all are factual.
Good work.

Undilah_DAP

Do not use DAP good name to tarnish a person here.
DAP wants support from many readers here.
Many readers here support OTB in I3.
Use DAP name wisely.

Posted by kuaTAKtahu > Mar 6, 2018 12:09 PM | Report Abuse

The plant will have a capacity of 1.15 million tonnes per annum. The investment will ensure Hengyuan Refining is well placed to meet the Euro 4M mogas specifications mandated by the Malaysian regulatory authorities by Oct 1, 2018.

Hengyuan Shandong is producing Euro 5 & 6 in China.
Do not trust the analyst's report that Hengyuan has a problem to produce Euro 4 in Malaysia.
To Hengyuan, Euro 4 is chicken feed lah.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 6, 2018 12:04 PM | Report Abuse

Pondan nekosan...why u flag me ah...u want to fight u fight like a man lah. U wnat to fight with people when when people counter u become bo lanpa go cry to admin...hahaha

He is anti group.
He does not believe the price of Hengyuan can move up.
The ball is in your court now.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 6, 2018 11:57 AM | Report Abuse

Nekosan...you want to eat my shit?..ahahha moron

Fund_Manager,
I believe you can do wonder.
Stay strong.

Investors are not stupid, they have eyes to see.

When market sentiment is not good, many of this type of articles will surface.
Until today he is still doing very well in his investment.
Making 87% ROI in 2017.
At the beginning of 2016, everyone also attacked him.
At the end of 2016, he still made 22% ROI.
Investors are not stupid, they have eyes to see.

We know all good and sincere people in I3.
We told him not to answer any attack, it is wasting his time.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 6, 2018 10:20 AM | Report Abuse

50+ people emailed me for the hot stock. Not even one say TQ. In future I will not give any hot picks here anymore.

I say thank you to you in advanced to support Hengyuan.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 6, 2018 10:14 AM | Report Abuse

Anyone that emailed me yesterday bought the hot stock I recommended yesterday? If you did you would have enjoyed 5-7% profit in one day.

I am only interested on Hengyuan to make 600% gain like what you said.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 5, 2018 11:03 PM | Report Abuse

No worries general dragon...we are now taking profits from Creative after pushing the share price up 600% in a few days time....we will be glad to join force with you to operate in Hengyuan again..Cheers.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Mar 6, 2018 10:06 AM | Report Abuse

Captain dragon...our fund fully support you and HY

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Glad that you inform us.
I also support your fund.
Can I sailang now ?

stockraider8,

I support you and I still like Hengyuan.

I want to cautious you to ensure we are very fair to others, please ensure the information you said must be true facts.

I believe you are a honorable and trustworthy person, please review my suggestion.

Any fact is not true, please amend and alter it if necessary.

Welcome back.

Posted by Fund_Manager > Feb 28, 2018 10:30 AM | Report Abuse

Dragonslayer you are wrong. We have been accumulating HY from RM7 onwards. That day bought at 15 is just a strategy to push up the stock. Our cost is still below 10 nia.

Fund_Manager,
If you sell slowly you will get better price.
Why so desperate to sell at such steep discount price ?

Talk has to value to me.
I want to see the proven records.

You definitely do not have good records to show.
You have many lies to tell, good records of lies and bullshit.

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I told our sifu not to answer any attack in I3.
We will help him to clarify a few of them.

Many, many times our sifu was attacked when there is a major sell down.
Many hero will appear to tell the story in I3, how good decision they had made to sell off before the major sell down.
How bad is our sifu.

Our sifu had survived many, many of these kind of attacks.
Is our sifu closed shop ? No
Is our sifu lost all his wealth ? No

Our sifu still make good good money year after year.
There is no 100% sure win in stock market.
I quote his statement "Performance is not measured in days or weeks, you must measure the performance after a year".
Result will tell and time will tell.

Posted by Icon8888 > Mar 4, 2018 09:03 AM | Report Abuse

OTB has been making big money year after year and lives life with dignity whereas stockmanmy a.k.a brightsmart has to resort to PLP Uncle Koon to make a living. That is all I know

Mr Ooi,

Please do not waste your busy time to answer all these people.
They created new ID to make you sick.
How many posting ?
2, 3, 5 < 10.
They are not your subscribers.

Posted by theloneranger > Mar 4, 2018 01:59 PM | Report Abuse

Please tell me what is the price of Hengyuan plant now cost ?

the plant was valued at the equivalent of scrap metals just not long ago.....but the plant is now a few years older.

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Scrap metal plant can generate EPS = 3.03, profit about 900 Million.
EPS of 3.03 is the highest in KLSE.

You talk cock here.
You bullshit here.
Wasting my time.

Posted by theloneranger > Mar 4, 2018 12:52 PM | Report Abuse

liang....what is the merits of buying an old junk refinery plant that means high eps, low PE and no depreciation?.....high eps coming from no depreciation lol.

Comment :
Your statement is not factual, simply bullshit.

A new refinery like the capacity of Hengyuan costs > 14 billion.

Petronm needs to spend 14 billion to build a plant which is 90 KBPD which is smaller than Hengyuan present plant with capacity of 126 KBPD.

Please tell me what is the price of Hengyuan plant now cost ?

Please read this :

Posted by Halite > Mar 4, 2018 08:46 AM | Report Abuse

I am wondering a simple question. The present market capitalization of petronm is around 2.8B and that of hengyuan is 3.6B
If the proposed 14B expansion is sole for refinery, then why not spend 5B to buy the whole hengyuan. The job is so much easier and cost effective.

You can express your opinion in this forum.
Presently, you are attacking a person and accused him wrong.
Time will tell who is right.
Your article is without substance, no facts and figures.
Only attacking people.
No one will believe you.

theloneranger,
Please show us your performance.
Only empty tin will make the most noise.
If you are no good or not better than others, please stop attacking others.
Revengeful people will not do well in life.

There is no 100% sure win in stock market.
The investor needs to make final decision whether the information is correct or not.
Different person has different opinion.
If I pay a small fee, I can assume 100% win, no more poor man in the street.
Do not get jealous when a person makes money.
He works his heart out, spending 12 hours everyday to help for a small and miserable money.

Posted by Icon8888 > Mar 4, 2018 09:03 AM | Report Abuse

OTB has been making big money year after year and lives life with dignity whereas stockmanmy a.k.a brightsmart has to resort to PLP Uncle Koon to make a living. That is all I know

Posted by Halite > Mar 4, 2018 08:46 AM | Report Abuse

I am wondering a simple question. The present market capitalization of petronm is around 2.8B and that of hengyuan is 3.6B
If the proposed 14B expansion is sole for refinery, then why not spend 5B to buy the whole hengyuan. The job is so much easier and cost effective.

Ans :
Good work.
I agreed with your suggestion.
It is a matter whether Hengyuan is willing to sell at 3.6B.

Please read it.
https://www.facebook.com/rhresearch/posts/1849456881732589

Not true.
OTB strategy is to buy and hold.
If wrong, there is a cut loss level to get out.
This article is given incomplete information.

Q4 2017 net profit = 12,115
Q4 2016 net profit = 4,031
A growth of 201%

This is the correct comparison.
Not compare Q4 2017 against Q3 2017.

It is your opinion only, please cannot attack a person with different opinion.
Not fair.

Let time tells who is right.

Posted by Tom > Mar 2, 2018 07:21 PM | Report Abuse

虽然我和otb有吵过很多次，不过只要让我遇到骗子文章，我都会去拆穿骗子的谎言

Ans : You are very gentleman to tell the truth.
OTB recommended Masteel at 0.41, 0.71 and 0.91. Never tell people to chase high.
At present price of 1.07, still have profit to make.

But instead of cut loss based on moving average charts ( OTB's TA), a sifu who has invested so much emotional energy and reputaion on it cannot get himself to issue a sell recomendation......so let me do it for him.

Ans : Not true.
There is a cut loss level to get out. Everyone is aware.

Do not forget the disaster in supporting Hengyuan all the way from $ 19 to $12 presently.

Ans : Buy at 5.95, sold off at 17.50. Buy back at 16.64 and 12.52. Use profit to invest in Hengyuan only.
There is a rule to say that you can invest only 50% of previous holding (profit protection rule).

Please get your facts right. The above is the correct information discussed.

Do not post incomplete information to tell your story and to be a hero when market is down.
Please be fair.

LuoLi,

Please do not post any false news.
True news is fine.
Please be fair to others.
Not sure, please do not post.

Posted by moneySIFU > Mar 2, 2018 04:20 PM | Report Abuse

KYY was misleading readers in writing below, because he had not included the bonus effect over the share price. The impact was not as big as what he described.

The price is dropping from 1.40 to 1.06. Not from 1.80.

LuoLi,

The owner of Hengyuan and Chinese fund should have supported the share price to reduce volatility.

Drop from 19.20 to 11.32 and now 12.20 is not a good image to public since the earning of 3.03 in 2017 is the best EPS in KLSE.

Action needs to be done if the owner wants Hengyuan to be a blue chip.

Should not allow IB to push down the share price until so low.

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Posted by pakatan_harapan2 > Mar 2, 2018 10:18 AM | Report Abuse

Good for KYY to expose OTB is a cheater.

You are a stupid idiot to damage Pakatan Harapan name.

Who is a cheater ? Readers here know the correct answer.

If I am not mistaken, OTB recommended Choobee last year at 1.60, same situation appeared.
The price of Choobee closed at 2.57 yesterday.

Let time shows who is Mr Right.

Posted by bluebiznet > Mar 2, 2018 08:53 AM | Report Abuse

OOI TEIK BEE shouldnt post his article here. He should only inform his subscriberS so maybe his subscriberS can benefits from todayS panic sell to buy cheap, it is really like because he care so much of his own face and he actually sacrifice his subscribers benefits. Since you already the shares you recommended is not doing very well in term of financial results, then you should care more on the subscribers to make them recoup their loses or what instead of posting article in I3 to show how great is your past performance.

Ans :
I decided to do it because superinvestor is sabotaging this stock.
Those hold Masteel are victim of circumstance including me.
Thank you.
Ooi

Posted by bluebiznet > Mar 2, 2018 09:42 AM | Report Abuse

I just saw the kyy blog. It seems like US trade war is just beginning, but KYY and OTB war is fierce fighting already LOL

Comment:
So, still angry with OTB !!
OTB is a very careful man, he planned his strategy well. He looks forward and take necessary precaution.

Posted by godhand > Mar 2, 2018 09:03 AM | Report Abuse

actually koon is not wrong. who is going to buy long steel so many unoccupied building in the town. Chances are there is no point building more

Ans : No point talking, please show proof from BNM whether construction of building is growing or not.
Building of condo is not slow down because of population growth.
The slow down is on high cost condo, it is replaced with medium cost condo.
A 30 storey high cost condo and medium cost condo is consuming equal amount of steel bars.
Steel bars are needed equally to build 30 storey condo.
Thank you.
Ooi

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > Mar 2, 2018 09:19 AM | Report Abuse

Posted by Albukhary > Mar 2, 2018 09:13 AM | Report Abuse

Mr OTB, I hope you can stand firm, I support you.

Please ignore all the comments from the old man, he is lonely and got nothing to do. Everyday he wake up check I3 and see write long article to shoot anyone against him. He got no friend, and his supporter also getting lesser n lesser, especially when many people saw his attitude.

Mr OTB, you have been survive in the stock market for so many years, and I can see you are doing very well. So I strongly believe your FA + TA methodology, and I do believe you have better "business sense" than many others.

Jia you!

Ans :
I recommend good TA and FA stocks only.
I will never buy speculative stocks or losing money counters.
Let time tells me the result.
I had been doing very well in last 5 years following my stock selection criteria.

Thank you.
Ooi

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > Mar 2, 2018 09:04 AM | Report Abuse

Please check for yourself whether I talk with facts and figures.

Lionind, Masteel, Choobee and Leonfb, the revenue and profit are growing since last year.
I recommend growth stocks but not common sense or business sense stocks.

Thank you.
Ooi

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > Mar 2, 2018 09:23 AM | Report Abuse

Ssteel - working 3 shifts now.
Lionind - The plant in Johore is in operation now.

They are not stupid. If there is no demand, no reason to increase production.

I stop here.

Thank you.
Ooi


Posted by ValueMaker78 > Mar 2, 2018 09:28 AM | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/koonyewyinblog/149250.jsp

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Look at the above postings to digest yourself.
The price is dropping from 1.40 to 1.06. Not from 1.80.
I am buying on cheap sale now.

LuoLi,

Good facts and figures.
You show your talent to surprise many including me.
Good work.
I believe in you.

Posted by GG_Liang > Mar 1, 2018 10:58 AM | Report Abuse

U made the money quietly by making the most rubbish comments on I3. Yeah right. So convincing

Very sure my comment is better than yours.
At least I back up my posting with facts and figures.
Unlike yours, good in telling lies here.
Good in bad mouth OTB.
Good in talking bad about Hengyuan.
Good in making rubbish comments in I3 which will not help readers here.

Sohai is the one who likes to attack people better than you.

If you invest 100k in 2013, your new capital is 1.7 million.
Result speaks better than word.

Do not need to show the world.
We made money quietly.
Thanks to OTB.

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