Now this is a classic case of fear mongering....

Another note of interest. If credit suisse n Pacific just wants yield n vote against qa why are they abandoning cliq? They can just stay there n get their cash but they have to sell most of their cliq positions n buy Sona. Is Sona yield higher? Credit went from 5% to 7 n back down now to about 5. Why are they buying Sona until >10%?
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Any ideas guys?

Let's see how the market reacts tmw. News from brokers already have conflicts of interest written all over their face already. Regardless those with Sona shares at least can get a refund..in August lol.

So this is your safety net.

I tot u mentioned the refund is with 5 days? What do u mean by August? Your information seems very confusing

I think it's also the mentality of the losers they just want to blame other ppl for their losses n not accept that the fault is on their own. 

According to another sifu here, risk is very subjective n high prices means high risk especially when u think its all about easy money to be made. N worse still u go into margin Finance without stop-loss or losses management. 

I have also lost almost 500k from the stock market since I start investing in 2006..but I move on. 

Mr Otb I think perhaps u shld have make it very clear on the risks of investing beforehand to any investor. It's always in their own hands. If u did then just disregard the non subscribers..they always think that they are smarter than anyone..including bill gates 

Cheers

Did the naysayers group also lost lots of money following mr. Otb n use margin? It's always buy at your own risk ma.

Wat happened in ipoh?

Are the naysayers group complaining becoz of paper losses from Jan 2016 to now?

U always annualized the gains or losses. U can't compare n complain now just because market drops suddenly.

Is this just to simply n purposely find fault with Otb?

I think the argument for this sona spac has come to an end. Its good that the liquidation process is fast and the return of monies is not a hassle. I am glad to hear that. thx kareem for the clarification.

as in all forums there are bound to have naysayers and optimists on any particular share. Should you not be confident in the share itself the fastest way is to dispose soonest possible. If you feel inclined to hold on to vote against the QA , its really in your perogative to do that. For others to vote on the QA, its really their choice too.

Its not certain that investing in any shares will be instant profit. there are also risks of losses in money. This is a fact. Its just a matter of whether you are more right than others ...or not.

Hence good luck to all and this push n pull conversation is now closed.

cheers

Thx for the clarification.
However suing will take time n this may be dragged into months. Even cliq dunno when will get back the money.

If u Dun have confidence in the company now might as well sell now.

I own Sona shares n warrants n am holding them tight. Buy at your own risk thx.

I believe the Qa will be approved. Maybe they want to accumulate more shares now I dunno. It's logical becoz of 1 simple human factor. Greed to earn more. Who DOES NOT want more money?

This is my conviction. Furthermore cs n Pacific are buying so much. Still in doubt pls sell dy.

If this simple things are giving u fear n sleepless night...then u are not cut out to be in the stock market. It's the real blunt truth.

So if I lose I lose lo. I can also accept my loss. Can u?

One word of notice. Now I could be wrong. But look at cliq. Their refund price maybe lower than what was stated due to liquidation costs. Read the news. Even they say they are not sure.

So my question to you guys out there. Are u really sure the refund price for sona is at 48.5?

Just for info n I own Sona shares. Thx

a lot of ppl buying warrants eh....

credit suisse keeps on buying at current price. this is good news indeed.

lets see how it goes this month of march. news are slowly coming out from the management dy

wow clig u really sapu a lot

Particularly liked Kareem's calculation of 80cents.

Smart money investors are bold, patient, looks for value, not afraid of short term fluctuations. They also do not expect instant ups or downs. Share prices do not work like that. Only the day traders or noobs expect this. If they don't start learning they will lose..simply. they also like to jump in when the popularity of the shares show up..they are then kiasu to lose out. This is so common. That's why the smart investors wins most of the time. But the others almost always lose.

We can wait we will watch. Even deals Dun happen overnight. If we win we win big. Lose we lose little. This is real investing.

But again I still do not think major shareholders wants just 4 to 6 cents profit. This thinking is totally laughable if not downright utter stupidity thinking.

I own Sona shares. Buy at your own risk thx

This definitely sounds like a major conflict of interest. Cheers

Price must be above 48.5 sen or many shareholders will just say no.

i think this is a very very misleading statement with bad intentions. I am a shareholder n i say
Yes pls buy the Qa so i can sell sona at a much higher price than a miserable 48cents.

many shareholders will say no. Are these the minor or major ones?
Major shareholders will definitely vote yes. This is logical as they want to make more money. Only stupid ppl would want less money. Only idiots would want 3 to 4 cents of profit.

Btw i believeeven tho the stupid ppl want to vote no.....the yes votes will be more due to a lot of major shareholders listed in their annual report. With so many buying now i believe its only a matter of time ...

i own sona shares and no i do not want 3 or 4 cents profit. Buy at your own risk thx

Unfortunately....there will always be jealous n chicken ppl condemning the successful ones...

Following Danny wong of areca I think oil n gas stocks can buy already. But again do your own research.

Trading on insider news is illegal.plus u may not know it's true or false. Dun do it

The best analysis seems to be fa n ta together...i like to buy on oversold territory using ta on a stock I like. But I am not a short term trader.

Noonbnnew is correct. Even though those who bought stocks recommended by Mr. Otb whether are his subscribers or not cannot hold him responsible for their losses.

The stock market..or any asset market eg. Bonds gold commodities even real estate..pls dun tell me if u were to buy a house from your broker or the previous owner u blame them when the price of the house dropped? Dun be stupid n naive.

In the investing world it's about dealing with many many investors traders funds machines or Wat not. It's a totally complex world out there. Only gambling mindsets hoping to strike it rich blames other when they lost.

Remember u are not buying a piece of sausage from the supermarket...its a only simple thing. For stocks or bonds u are buying a company a business that is exposed to forex, ppl, environment, terrorist, country risks, politics etc..so many risks!!

Only stupid gambling mindsets assume to hit the jackpot n win. Pls Dun invest n just buy mutual funds or lottery. U will need happier.

Invest at your own risk. Mind u I also lost a lot of money..i Dun go blaming ppl.

If u never chg then u will forever get stuck...be warned. The markets are merciless...

Good luck n cheers.

Waiting to laugh all the way to the bank

Unfortunately. ..we are still hearing echoes ...

This time i totally agree with murali n tomm. Facing an empty shell is very tiring. However whatever you sound out, u will only hear back empty echoes...

Impressive ..

If coming down the months after qa approved n the asset start generating profits I wonder how much will the share price be? Especially if oil recovers this or next year. Remember their break-even is usd26 per barrel.

Will keep shares n warrants for a while

Interesting so this is how it is played. This is a learning experience for me as well.

Yes I believe lots of cliq investors abandon cliq n buy Sona.
Sona wa has more buyers than sellers today's volume is the highest I ever seen wow.

Those just want to earn 1 or 2cents by voting against qa..we Dun believe you would be that stupid..who doesn't want money.

Assuming u buy 1mil shares earning 1cent will only give u 10k. N I dun believe those buying 1mil just want to earn only a stupid 10k. Hence..u are lying n u may not even have any Sona shares..god bless your stupidity...amen

Again cowards n chickens pls go away. Sell to us Pls. Buy at your own risk thx

Naysayers will always be losers.

Greedy u must be, when others fearful

The issues regarding on the Qa n 80% utilization rate is already announced in bursa.

It's in plain English so go read it.

i believe some of uncle kyy's stock picks are good. however as in all recommendations you will need to study n research a bit yourself before jumping in blindly. he is sharing info is nice enuf dy.

for good or for worse is up to each individual to decide. no need to be too judgemental on his losers. we all have our own losers too.

spy noted.

thx for the info. will keep a watch out

major owners of sona

Platinum Autumn Sdn. Bhd. 282mil shares 20%
credit suisse 142mil shares 10%
pacific 167mil shares 12%

then u have a couple of funds inside, some guys, etiqa insurance etc inside who already ...i believe already made up of more than 50% of shareholders. look for page 85 in their 2014 annual report.

some may have sold. some may have bought we dun know..

all we know is credit suisse keeps buying n pacific buys a bit too. from above already 42% in total ....

again i dun think these funds ppl want to just earn 47cts per share of cash from dissolving sona. they are not stupid.

i own shares in sona so pls buy at your own risk

Yes ktsk88. U are right. I dun see the owners selling any warrants nor shares yet. Pacific n credit suisse are still accumulating recently. So I will hold onto my shares, n warrants like crazy.

Again those sellers Pls sell so I can buy more. If I win I win I lose I lose.

Waiting for the quarter results. If not making a profit will then dispose. Otherwise will keep for a while. Ppl calling for buy sell are just noise. Treating them like mosquitoes sounds. Just ignore them.

Cowards n chickens will always be losers. Enuf said.
Pls sell more so we can buy more. Thank you

a very good informative write up on margin trading.
http://www.investopedia.com/university/margin/

seems it is really for short term investing

may the best luck win. cheers

Investing is not betting nor gambling. However my statement is of course my bread. My bread is totally different from other ppl.

Cheers

I find that the word 'bet'appears on a majority of margin Finance topics/discussion. Goes to show it's still a kind of gambling mentality.

This is the kind of knowledge knowhow which is grossly wrong n teaching our youngsters the wrong way.

We Shld be using the word invest especially for your future. They shld learn the prudent man rule as well. This will teach them responsibility on their own future.

I am beginning to see why lots of ppl decided to refute desa in large groups.

cheers and good investing

Does it mean substantial shareholding held by bank nominees are all on margin finance? I seriously didn't know it.

KC i believe some of the shares held in nominees account are for pledging by the owners to the banks( act as collateral) in order for the owners to get cash out to buy things.

This is like tony of aax/airasia.

thats why tony can buy football clubs n go into F1 racing

so once their price drop to a certain level below the cash they took out. they to have to replendish the borrowed amount kinda like a margin call. anyone correct me if i am wrong cheers

I fully agree with kc on not using margin finance for the youngsters.

It will purely be a gambling mindset that they will definately set themselves into if they applied margin finance.

heck even i dun use it for fear of losing everything.

Its dangerous especially if they go all out with ignorant thinking of fast gains.

I believe that they should have years of inv experience first before even going for margin finance. This will teach them the ins and outs of the market before attempting margin finance. this is my opinion.

yes all businesses borrow money to do business. this is the norm. but margin finance and business loans are 2 different things. business loans u dun get margin calls.

I know this is because I am from a business related family involved in the manufacturing/construction industry in malaysia. we do borrow loans/get credit facility to do business. its normal. But of course as in all prudent businesses less debt is better for us simply because we dun have to service a big loan every month and conserve cash flow. There is an optimum level of debt for all businesses and of course again every business is different.

cheers

All uncles can we just stop all this ego bashing pls? This will never end Until the ends of the earth.

Fyi
Investing is a personal thing. Your risk tolerance n strategy are totally different from anyone else. That's we have an IPS investment policy statement for each person. No one is the same. Some wants low risk n lots of diversification others Dun.

Even for degrees n profession no one can say they are better. I am an engineer by profession still am but I still think differently from engineers.

So pls swallow all your ego n move on. For all your good IQ seems your eq is really low. You must understand u cannot expect everyone to like you. Even Mr. Otb no longer bothers. I can respect that.

I also Dun expect ppl to like me. As long deep down I know I have done at least the correct thing it's fine.

Now can we get back to discussing about inv n youngsters way of doing it. They wanna use margin or not we Dun care as its their own responsibilities..remember that they can be stubborn n not listen to your advice. As long u tried it's good enuf

Good day everyone

So many ppl ganging up on uncle desa. May i ask why?

I am a CFA graduate. However I was an engineer by profession. Took up CFA and passed levels 123 over a period of 5 years. Failed 2x hence need 5 years. Compound interest n modern portfolio theory are 2 different things.

Compound interest occurs when the interest that accrues to an amount of money in turn accrues interest itself.
Hence u start younger u gain better chances

Modern portfolio theory(MPT) is a theory on how risk-averse investors can construct portfolios to optimize or maximize expected return based on a given level of market risk, emphasizing that risk is an inherent part of higher reward. Also called "portfolio theory" or "portfolio managementtheory."

These are cut n pasted. No need to argue about this things. Unless u are a multi-billion fund u just do not have the resources to calculate proper variables needed n generated. We just make do with Wat we have

However day traders instill market liquidity like the market makers. Unfortunately they may get caught by Mr. Market lol.

Without these 2 our klse volume will be very very low. So we Shld be thankful to these naive traders..

Unfortunately due to either influenced or ignorance I see very little hope for the younger generation. They are just too rash n impatient.hence majority will go the contra n day trading way.

Even here in i3 I see almost 80% of forumers doing day trading. They rest is perhaps long term investors.

Due to this kind of influence n activity the younger ones tend to be influenced n lean towards day trading. Easy money n fast profits.

Tts why education plays an important part in their lives

Hope i didnt touch a raw nerve. Anyways sorry but am only interested in proper info like kc chong or icon.

From the way you present your awards blog already tells me you are not worth my salt. Sorry if this offends you.

Good luck n cheers

This has got to be the most pathetic blog that i have ever seen in my life. This joker has the time, the patience, the ideas, the design, the brains (maybe he borrow from others) to do this ...instead of at least contributing some inv ideas...sheesh.

Perhaps he is creating attention to get attention. He should get a poor forumer award...aduhai....

I really really rest my case. Thank you

Invest in yourself in investing knowledge

I particularly like this part. Young ppl must have the patience and drive to learn and not be rash in making investment decisions.

I notice majority are just looking for fast gain...and with the dangerous margin loans.

This is not the way to do it. Learn the knowledge first.

thx kc chong for the info. good read for me too

Actually if u think about it. If there are no speculators in the market then liquidity n volume will be low. So thx to all speculators, margin ,contra,day traders etc for generating the volume.

Cheers