Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-07 20:07 | Report Abuse

murali Then minus total loss of RM24K from CN, should be gain ard RM9.9K
07/01/2015 20:04
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Told you already I not aiming for small gain like this. I am aiming for protection against major crash

Wwwcomment got it after one round reading

Why can't you get it ?

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:07 | Report Abuse

Is this your first ever trade of CW?

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:08 | Report Abuse

I fully understand the purpose of HG, just dont see the logic of using CN to hedge against it only...full stop

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-07 20:09 | Report Abuse

murali I got to go. Need to bath my cat

Talk to you some other times

Btw, don't stress your mind too much, have a good rest

It has been a confusing day for you, I know

Posted by lepaklangkawi > 2015-01-07 20:11 | Report Abuse

okay. its like this,

icon and i go 4 bananna leaf. i take vege. he wants mutton varuval

in a sense i understand why he wants varuval, i enjoy it too,

but today i want vege.

we still eat together. but have different approach to meal...

explained
- i appreciate icon hedging. does not mean i have to buy put warrant

i might

1) buy export orient stock
2) keep 80-100% cash - sit out
3) ignore market turmoil - because i have a 5-10 year timeframe
4) hunt/buy quality O & Gas counters because i'm contrarian with a 3-5 year timeframe and believe oil price will shoot up later
5) get/find FX Broker and trade currency or Metal/Oil CFD's
6) switch to short term time-frame and trade highly liquid penny stocks (1-2 week bias)

etc etc etc.... different strokes 4 different folks

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:12 | Report Abuse

I will short KLCI futures if I wanna hedge against my stocks...however, must set a stop loss order lah....period

Posted by Up_down > 2015-01-07 20:12 | Report Abuse

KLCI Futures could be the best option available to hedge the portfolio. It just costs a small amount of trading fees. The problem is how much pressure can we take in this volatile market. I trade both Futures and put warrant that making me more comfortable. Some Put warrants premium are extremely high especially HG, HJ. It doesn't really worthwhile to hedge a portfolio.

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:14 | Report Abuse

U can freely eat meat or vegie....just like I dont agree with what Icon8888 is doing and I m just giving my opinion only...but I wouldnt and I cant stop him from doing so....what's the fuss with u?

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:19 | Report Abuse

My wife is still happy till now...anyway I see yr way make sense....

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:21 | Report Abuse

U sounds experienced but just couldnt understand u seems to find Icon8888's way of hedging with HG and then CN makes sense loh

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:22 | Report Abuse

I am doing yr Item 1-6 (except 5)...

Posted by lepaklangkawi > 2015-01-07 20:29 | Report Abuse

myself only hedge one direction (if hedging at all). put/short/down.

why - already long maaa (by virtue of owning shares)

if icon wishes to go both ways. that his call (hence banana leaf story)

BTW - i meant what i say about study the put warrants...
try to read a bit. only scratch surface.

https://www.malaysiawarrants.com.my/tools?sp=dwcalculator&ric=CWKL_ta.KL

Posted by lepaklangkawi > 2015-01-07 20:36 | Report Abuse

u can look @ OTB stock selectn 4 2015. already pohuat & homeritz shooting up like mad...now is not the market for bonecythe style picks

money to be made. but need $$$ to buy.

Posted by murali > 2015-01-07 20:40 | Report Abuse

Follow the money

Posted by fayeTan > 2015-01-08 08:21 | Report Abuse

erm.. have you included the consideration that if 1997 crisis repeat, maybe the issuer CIMB/Macquarie cannot pay back ?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-08 16:55 | Report Abuse

Allow me to brag a little bit

HG bleeding today

CN saved the day

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2015-01-08 19:48 | Report Abuse

Dear Respected Icon8888,

Mind to teach me one thing? May I know how to paste picture to our blog? I could not do it. How to attach figure or table?

Hope to hear the guidelines from you. Thanks

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-08 19:54 | Report Abuse

Duit there is a red "upload image" button. You can use that to paste picture

As for table, I do the calculation in excel, copy and then go to the article to paste. A dialog box will come out, you paste (twice) in the box

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2015-01-08 20:01 | Report Abuse

Icon,,, is it must use chrome but cannot use IE or MOZila?

I tried so many times but cannot paste any word or jpeg file.....why?
any idea?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-08 20:23 | Report Abuse

I am using IMAC

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2015-01-08 20:57 | Report Abuse

Icon8888, thanks for your guideline.

I will try to do it again. Really appreciate it. Hope my IE or Chrome allow me to transfer the pic if not very hard for me to present my compilation.

cheers Icon8888, you helped me a lot.

Posted by kakashit > 2015-01-08 23:15 | Report Abuse

hmm, i simply browse through ur post ony, is this the
"head i win, tail i dun lose much" scenario?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-08 23:28 | Report Abuse

At least you are open minded

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-01-08 23:38 | Report Abuse

The strategy is working

Today passed with flying color

I have a put warrant that insure me against down side and yet it doesn't lose money when the index goes up

This is called have your cake and eat it too

If I have a RM1 million portfolio, I will lose RM4,000 for my HG today, but my CN turned in RM8000 profit

Posted by kakashit > 2015-01-11 16:38 | Report Abuse

good word to say is hedging, but actually is shorting against klci.
Although I oso no look good on bursa, but shorting requires timing other than a good macro view.
Haha, Icon u r so un-Malaysia

Big collapse doesnt hurt me since i hv holding power, if it does happen, simply earn less n hold longer loh.

Posted by kakashit > 2015-07-22 16:59 | Report Abuse

my view is that klci will hv correction, at least 20%, but will nvr hv collapse like 1997, since our ppl nvr borrow margin like in 97, these is only 30% retails particapation in the market.

Since KLCI 30 components except for palm oil mostly represent domestic economy, so it will drops. But small and mid caps will not follow klci, they will go diff way rationally.

Usually export one will rise, import one will drop, so u nid not worry too much of the index