Posted by i4investor > 2016-09-07 15:11 | Report Abuse

How about YLI?

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-07 15:15 | Report Abuse

YLI is not operating in the steel industry

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-07 15:18 | Report Abuse

Found this in their annual report:

The principal activities of the Group consist of manufacturing and trading of ductile iron pipes, steel and plastic pipes and fittings and waterworks related products, construction work and project management for waterworks and sewerage industry.

Posted by i4investor > 2016-09-07 15:25 | Report Abuse

This steel stock got potential as i got one good target price infor about this stock but i dare not enter due to it still in loss financial?

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-07 15:33 | Report Abuse

Don't get what you mean about loss financial

Posted by Jay > 2016-09-07 15:34 | Report Abuse

from what I understand, steel price has tracked china sudden surge in demand, which is then followed by iron ore prices increase (the raw material). so would it be correct to assume that local steel producers are benefiting from higher selling prices due to increase in global steel price and enforcement of anti-dumping, while raw material cost didn't increase as much mainly because they don't need to source from megasteel anymore? or is it also possible that the recent quarter results increase in margin is because the steel players are drawing down from old inventories (purchased at last year's price, cheaper than now even if it's was from megasteel) while steel price (selling price) has increased? so the timing mismatch resulted in higher margins? and if steel price (selling price) correct down together with iron ore (raw material price), do you think local steel producers can maintain their current margins? sorry for a lot of questions, just hoping to get a better understanding of the industry dynamics since you seem to have done quite some homework. thanks

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-07 15:56 | Report Abuse

It's ok, Jay, we are discussing to learn more from each others.

I will advise you to read annual reports & quarterly reports of CSCSteel & Mycron for the past 2 years, those questions were actually answered.

Chairman's statement of Mycron is the best so far if compared to others.
http://cdn1.i3investor.com/my/files/dfgs88n/2015/11/06/1483789631--639706738.pdf

Posted by Jay > 2016-09-07 16:16 | Report Abuse

I have read the Mycron annual report and some other quarterly commentaries. basically most quarterly statements summarise the better performance due to better selling price and lower costs (more or less) without giving the underlying factors (except Mycron AR). that's why I wanted to confirm my 1st question based on what I understand from wealthwizard's articles.

for the 2nd question, I can't find any confirmation except from observing the HRC/CRC/steel rebar/iron ore prices. it's my speculation. if it's true, then the better margins in 2Q could last shorter than expected.

3rd question actually is a bit tricky. probably even the companies also can't have an exact answer on how they could cope with prices fluctuations but I just wanted to see what everyone thinks about it.

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-07 16:24 | Report Abuse

Thanks, moneySIFU & Jay, for having good discussion over here.

I am working on Part 3 article which will dig deep into Mycron accounts, from there we may have better & true picture about CRC & HRC industry. Hope to have it completed by tomorrow.

Posted by i4investor > 2016-09-07 17:27 | Report Abuse

Mean YLI still making loss

Posted by probability > 2016-09-07 17:52 | Report Abuse

strange...why this article did not hit no.1...

Posted by chl1989 > 2016-09-07 20:40 | Report Abuse

Wealthwizard, could you share the supply chain of steel? From hrc to crc to??? Who are the big buyers for cscsteel? Are they in construction segment? Tq in advance :)

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-07 23:35 | Report Abuse

Hi probability, this article hit No.1 for one or 2 hours, then down to no.2 most of today.

Posted by probability > 2016-09-07 23:46 | Report Abuse

ok...then fine...means no manipulation. Thanks $$-sifu

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-07 23:49 | Report Abuse

Feel great already for articles being seen by so many investors & readers. :)

Posted by chl1989 > 2016-09-07 23:50 | Report Abuse

very conservative tp for cscsteel :)

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-07 23:50 | Report Abuse

As a new guy to i3 community, thank you for giving chance to share.

Posted by chl1989 > 2016-09-07 23:54 | Report Abuse

PE should be rated higher with its high div payout and cash position :)

Posted by chl1989 > 2016-09-07 23:55 | Report Abuse

at annualized profit of 110mil, its div yield is crazy :)

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-08 00:02 | Report Abuse

Hi chl1989, I can only analyze based on annual reports from those CRC companies and try to figure out the true pictures from those accounts.

Most of my findings are based on CSCSteel & Mycron, these 2 are very generous in sharing the info & details of their businesses, especially Mycron.

For Eonmetal, nothing much thing can be digged out because they are giving too little info from their reports.

See what the eonmetal management explained on increase in profits:
"This segment recorded PBT of RM0.6 million, a rise of RM1.3 million is in line with the increase in revenue." - Plant & Machinery Division

"This segment recorded PBT of RM3.8 million due to lower production costs" - Steel Division

YKGI was up & down, also not much things to be digged out.

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-08 00:03 | Report Abuse

chl1989, I totally agreed with you

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-08 00:05 | Report Abuse

There is priority issue need to be set for respective stocks, I think Mycron should go first since there was misunderstanding by many in reading their latest QR.

Posted by wealthwizard > 2016-09-08 00:06 | Report Abuse

Also, being conservative is always good, just let the market to decide what's best should be

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-08 00:23 | Report Abuse

Thank you for sharing, wealthwizard

Posted by chl1989 > 2016-09-08 00:40 | Report Abuse

I will try to email their IR. See if i can find out what is the biggest end-use industry which their products going into :)

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-10 09:26 | Report Abuse

At price of RM0.785, the Forward PE = 3.5

The market value of Mycron is RM221.8m
Projected next year's profit = RM63.3m
Projected next year's cash inflow = RM87.7m

Posted by LouisLim > 2016-09-11 13:20 | Report Abuse

Hi moneySIFU, WealthWizard,
May I know how Mycron "Projected Next 4Q" profit RM63,282,000 being calculated? As normal calculation, it will take latest quarter profit 9,336,000*4=37,344,000. Can you show me how to get accurate value RM63,282,000? Just wish to learn from you. Thank you.

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-11 14:02 | Report Abuse

Hi LouisLim, the impairment loss may only occur in the 4th Q of the company, after receiving the valuation report done by the professional valuer, C H Williams Talhar & Wong Sdn Bhd.
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/5190321

Impairment loss for 2015 was RM3.46m & 2014 was RM6.35m

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-11 14:04 | Report Abuse

So, when calculating Q1 to Q3 result, you need to take out impairment loss. That's how figures in the Table 5 derived.

Posted by ruslimz > 2016-09-11 22:33 | Report Abuse

excellence report......we need you here.....

Posted by Leonardo12 > 2016-09-12 04:07 | Report Abuse

@Wealthwizard
Thanks for the sharing!
Could you please enlighten me about your estimated value in table 7(projected 12 months cash flow)?
1) Adjustments
2) Tax, interest paid and received

Appreciate your input on the above. Thank you.

Posted by LouisLim > 2016-09-12 11:42 | Report Abuse

moneySIFU, thank you for explaining this. Appreciate your helps.

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-09-12 16:45 | Report Abuse

Flying CRC Steel Producers: Fantastic Business Outlook & Insider's Look (Part 3)
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/wealth123/104163.jsp

Posted by MuttonCurry > 2016-09-12 16:47 | Report Abuse

for tomolo how all steel stock... holland trip ?

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-09-12 22:18 | Report Abuse

We need more people like you in stock market, MuttonCurry, thank you.

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-09-12 22:24 | Report Abuse

It will be great if any weaknesses, incorrect calculation or basis can be pointed out for discussion rather than giving a general opinion or telling where price should go.

Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-09-13 18:45 | Report Abuse

By reviewing the figures again, it gives me confidence to continue hold, thank you for the sharing of such great works, it is fantastic!

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-09-17 13:42 | Report Abuse

See something before many others see, know deeper before many others aware, look further when many others still look here & there, you will earn more than many others.

Try to look up to everyone that talk positive & negative, judge yourself, don't blame anyone if you don't get it.

Opportunities are always for those who are ready AND have ability to grab it.

Posted by probability > 2016-09-20 14:39 | Report Abuse

lets not forget to remind ourself the real numbers above.
it was not plucked from the sky.

Posted by smartrader2020 > 2016-09-22 23:24 | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/discoverychannel/104895.jsp

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-09-23 11:37 | Report Abuse

My new article, enjoy reading:

EKOVEST: Doing Great & Ready To Shine, Are You Ready? (Part 1)
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/wealth123/104926.jsp

Posted by smartrader2020 > 2016-09-23 15:12 | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/discoverychannel/104895.jsp

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-10-17 16:07 | Report Abuse

China CRC price was RMB3,480 when my first article was published on 5/9/2016, now it is recorded as RMB3,597, an increase of 3.4%.

Bright Future for CRC Steel Producers: CSCSteel, Mycron, Eonmetal & YKGI (Part 1)
Author: WealthWizard | Publish date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016, 11:02 AM
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/wealth123/103741.jsp

Posted by WealthWizard > 2016-10-17 16:13 | Report Abuse

I retain my target price for Mycron at RM1.12, subject to revision to higher due to increase in China CRC price & weakening RM against China Yuan

Posted by 张天师买股票 > 2016-11-07 11:37 | Report Abuse

我相信钱师父和财富巫师的眼光，刚在中钢一块八毛七的时候买入一些中钢股

Posted by probability > 2017-05-11 23:10 | Report Abuse

its still one of the most enlightening presentation i have ever seen

Posted by probability > 2017-05-11 23:15 | Report Abuse

only reason it failed to show spectacular earnings as WW had projected was due to USD->RM exchange and the speed the raw material price rise was way too faster than the local market could accept the CRC products rise...

But now its a completely different scenario now.

Posted by probability > 2017-05-12 13:50 | Report Abuse

The company that made the rusting steel industry shine like silver now...Mycron

Posted by probability > 2017-05-12 13:58 | Report Abuse

it will reap what it sow

Posted by probability > 2017-05-12 14:07 | Report Abuse

YKGI gross profit risen from 8.7% to 15.6%.

7% difference.

just add 7% margin on 180 Million revenue of Mycron.