I read an article talking about so many property counters which are undervalued and it is anticipated that property development and the share price of property counters may start to take off again after the general election. If that is the case, we should start looking at them now and see which property stock is really undervalued as claimed. Then we can start to nibble on them. As there are so many property counters, each is claimed to be undervalued. There are also many analysts' reports telling us to buy on some potential property counters. So where do we begin? So care to share with us which property counter is undervalued and why do you think so? I will start with one, Plenitude as below:
Why did I said it is a financial risk management tool? Because if you use small amount of money to hope to win the same amount of money if you were to buy the underlying share, the most you lose is your initial outlay.
ya, i think usually people buy warrant don't really use it. means they usually sell before it expired. Maybe no money to buy those shares after expired kua. hehe..
Property stocks are usually very good stocks why our property stocks in Malaysia are performed so lousy.Take example Plenitude Bhd EPS so high NTA RM3.13.I don't know why so many years no dividends are paid.It also hadn't any debts to the Banks and also has strong cash flow.Kcchongnz can you analyze to me?
pyramidpoh, I have given my analysis on Plenitude a few times before. No, its business is not performing lousily. It is good. You may say its share price is not performing well, short-term recently.
Who says Plenitude did not pay dividend so many years? Below is the record of its dividend payment.
Year 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 Dividend, sen 5.0 7.5 7.5 6.75 6.75 5.75 5.0
I would say the dividend payment is not satisfactory in relation to its earnings and free cash flow. They have the ability to pay much more. It is a cash backing of 1.36 per share. Look at its free cash flow below:
Year 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 FCF 25691 39040 107625 132749 94145 FCF/Share, sen 9.5 14.5 39.9 49.2 34.9
That shows its great ability to pay much more dividend. Why they don't pay more? Go to their AGM and question them.
to hold a prop counter for long, pick those with proven DY history, try not rely fully on large pile of $/lands (so call 'strong bs', 'undervalued'), these value on paper cheer u, make bank happy, give prop buyer confident... too bad nothing come to yr pocket as real $
of cos, at the end of the day, u punya suka lah :)
About two months ago, I created this thread of “undervalued property stocks” for discussion purpose. The response from fellow forumers was great as a lot of good ideas were posted and discussed. We have plenty of positive feedback. Of course we also have some negative comments, such as accusing us for promoting stocks to hard sell high to forumers here and bring them to Holland; “counters no liquidity”, “sucker sifu”, “sifatt”, “taufu” aand all kinds of degrading terms. Now two months have passed and let’s make a review of the return of these “undervalued property stocks”.
The table below shows the return from two months ago when we started talking about those stocks.
The table of stocks return was tabulated using the approximate price of the stocks at the time of discussion and compared with the prices at the time of writing. They are not copied and paste from any internet site, books or reports. Out of the 17 stocks mentioned, all stocks made positive return ranging from a high of 63.3% for Tebrau to a low of 2.4% for L&G. The average return was 24.2%, or a median return of 21.4%. This performance way outperformed the KLCI of 4.6% for the same period. Even Ivory, a stock I considered as a lemon, made 21.4% return for the period. This proves a number of things:
1. Property stocks were not overvalued as claimed by some people at that time. 2. The return of stocks does not depend on whether a stock is liquid or not, whether there are securities houses covering the stock, but how good are the fundamentals of the stock. 3. In short-term, the share price is hard to predict. 4. It is difficult to time the market as at that time, so many local institutional investors and retail investors shun the market because of the fear of the general election.
Will this great performance continue? Have your say here.
If we exclude the 'Iskandar' Thame Play factor, the return for property stocks for the past 2 month is more and less in line with KLCI. Iskandar Drivers are primarily determined by Singapore Dollar, less from Msia side.
Based on Msia sound macro factors, the property boom can last for a few more yrs. Property stocks with sound fundamental, are expected to do well in next few yr ahead.
kcchongnz, Sorry to trouble you, can you throw some light on Malton. This property counter was not picked up by you, why? On books, it is very much undervalued, trading now at 52cts, its PER is 3.4; Dy is 4.7; Nta $1.45 (latest) and its par value is $1. Its properties are in prime areas such as Petaling Jaya, Bukit Damansara, Penang, Bukit Jalil.
ps. Do not care what other forumers said, We are in this forum to discuss our views only, not to promote for anybody, only sharing amongst forumers who are interested only. Right?
"If we exclude the 'Iskandar' Thame Play factor, the return for property stocks for the past 2 month is more and less in line with KLCI." Greatdreamer, why do you say the above? have you done the analysis yourself by excluding the return of Iskandar Theme stocks? I have a spreadsheet with all the stocks i have tabulated. If I exclude those Iskandar stocks, I don't know which ones you will exclude, that won't make much difference to the return of the remainder property companies.
lkloke, from the data you have given on Malton, it seems a good value stock to me. It was just that nobody talked about it the last time when we discussed about undervalued property stocks.
i agree light on Malton but i think now can accumulate. But to me, who has less bullet left over, i rather monitor and wait. From TA perspective, this is not the time to take risk to accumulate. My own personal thought. I rather to wait for lower on Malton.
do not focus too much on sleeping counter. monitor, once move, can start to collect. else money stuck there. chase high sometimes it's good because can go higher. accumulate sleeping require more capital to standby. I can't :)
The greater-fool theory: The notion suggests that there will always be a greater fool to buy from you what you yourself purchased at far too high a price. Alas, at market tops, all fools have bought, so there’s no new fool to bail them out.
Please remember it is manupulative play at the moment. Nobody cares about undervalue. The whole senarios will just change with the change of government.
so kcchong from your posting for several property stock...mkland is the most undervalued and still not shooting up just like other property counters...will it rise in the near term..., it debt to equity ratio is the lowest,and its land in KL,pj,damansara and sg. buloh...added with mrt project and cyberjaya, plus lands in kinta/ipoh and kedah...with total debt for short and long term only RM150m , if it it able to sell few parcel of land in greater KL...it will be debt free in 2013...what positive (positive mah) view u can tell us?
anbz, frankly speaking you know much more about MK Land than me. You have done a lot of research yourself recently. Yes I believe MK Land is undervalued in relation to its assets. It even qualifies as Graham net-net play (Google what I mean). In term of financial performance, i don't know why is it still not catching up like what other companies co after the sublime crisis, but it has certainly stop hemorrhaging now. Has the old poor management changed for the better future? Is the management/major shareholder taking care of everyone and not just himself? Is the management proactive in developing the land it holds? I don't know but these are important issues to me.
can we say that mkland is more prudent now for what has happened to it in 2008? take a look of ijm land it is said to be cash rich RM640m, yet its debt is RM580m , and mahsing fr 2008 to 2013, its liabilities has multiple 4.65 (around that...lupa sikit). If there is housing bubble , wouldn't the big debt company will fall harder just like L&G in 1998. wouldn't u say mkland is more prudent and very strategic now?
Shit! here we go again, singaporeans gonna curse and swear again. Whats next?
New property tax rate for foreign owners in Johor
Bernama 5:28PM Jun 2, 2013
The Johor government will impose a new tax rate on about 130,000 foreign owners of property in the state, which varies from the rate imposed on local ownership.
Menteri Besar Mohamed Khaled Nordin said the move was to boost earnings for the local authorities while enhancing services to residents.
"The time has come for the state government to look at foreign ownership in the state because our people in other countries are also imposed a different tax rate.
"So, we are initially starting with the property tax rate," Khaled told reporters after visiting the Permas zone in Hihir Baru today.
Khaled, who is also Permas assemblyperson, was confident that the local people would agree with the decision as it would provide returns for them, while foreigners must learn to appreciate their ownership of property in the state.
He also the state local authorities would re-assess the value of properties in their respective jurisdiction to determine the tax rate to be collected.
The last assessment was made in the 80s, he said, adding that the prevailing property value was now higher.
On the Permas zone, Khaled said RM4 million had been allocated to rehabilitate the area, besides sealing and widening existing roads and building new ones.
ya .. do u involved in property... i in property line ...most people dont have that kind of income to buy 500k houses n many speculator from singapore . market is already slow down ..
haha ... property sure will fall like u.s as nothing is skyrocketing forever .... see how much the gold price drop ? u.s $1700 to us$1400 in less then a month
i mean in 2007 la ... malaysia if u work in property line , u know what i mean .... but for me i happy la as people keep on chasing property i make money but most of the deal is speculative . malaysia property will sure going for fall if nothing control the speculative side
bro... sekarang ni 2013, apa sa bincang 2007 pulak?! hahahaa... anyway, the interest rate, gdp play the key role. believe so far so good (manageable level), or else v should c gov loosing up constraint for foreigner to buy in. so far, especially affordable home is still very much in demand. of cos, diff loc diff pricing :)
bro i saying malaysia property scenario here same as u.s 2007 subprime .. is all speculative n not base on actual demand n supply .... see jb a service apartment how much with 2 bedroom 1.2mil . expensive then a jb landed property . 1.2 mil monthly installment 5k . do u think if u have 5k for rental u can afford to buy a landed property in jb ? what i said malaysia property is speculative like penny share counter due to malaysia & singapore FD low interest ...
true, true.. however, ever consider how come the owner can sustain having the property sits idle; but not settle for lower price? actually, buyers (capable one) have $, but they too kind of "waiting"
some landed housing project in k.valley still can sold out in one day
2007 U.S crisis has a lot to do with derivative, which MY do not use such financial instrument, no worry :)
malaysia also la... i in banking line related to property . bro ... i have a client singaporean buy nusajaya 37 units one shot .. he bring 4 friends, each friend buy 20 t 30 unit . lower unit for studios cost 500k ... higher unit price semi d 1 mil ... so do u think this is not a speculative n derivative ? how many percentage of malaysia is afford to buy ? maybe only within 5% . when they push the hot area price up .. what happen to other place sure going up . with salary 3k buying normal house 500k in jb , in case econmy crisis , how many afford to paid the installment ? that what i saying ....
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I read an article talking about so many property counters which are undervalued and it is anticipated that property development and the share price of property counters may start to take off again after the general election. If that is the case, we should start looking at them now and see which property stock is really undervalued as claimed. Then we can start to nibble on them. As there are so many property counters, each is claimed to be undervalued. There are also many analysts' reports telling us to buy on some potential property counters. So where do we begin? So care to share with us which property counter is undervalued and why do you think so? I will start with one, Plenitude as below: