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2020-07-28 17:48 | Report Abuse
UG Healthcare - Philip Securities 28-07-2020
Never say never to blue skies
https://research.sginvestors.io/2020/07/ug-healthcare-phillip-securities-research-2020-07-28.html
https://research.sginvestors.io/2020/07/ug-healthcare-phillip-securities-research-2020-07-28.html
UG BUSINESS MODEL
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Large glove manufacturers such as Top Glove and Hartalega are largely OEM manufacturers. OEMs manufacture gloves for under the brand of their customers such as large medical distributors (e.g. Medline, OneMed, Marbena, Cardinal Health, Microflex, Ansell, Kimberly Clark), government agencies (Defence or Health Ministries) and non-profit organizations (e.g. WHO,United Nations).
OEMs are not keen to build their own distribution network.
Firstly, this is to avoid any conflict of interest.
Secondly, managing warehouses and logistics in the destination markets is not their core expertise especially compared to the scale of their production. Another challenge in distribution is the huge variety of products to be stocked and sold, not just a single product - gloves.
The typical logistics or sales cycle is as follows: UG manufactures the gloves from its factory and ship to its warehouses in the UK, China, Brazil and Germany. UG services many end customers that may just order several cartons every week. UG needs to have sufficient stock to meet such consistent orders for next day delivery. For effective sales, UG needs a local sales team to promote the brand, speak to customers, engage in marketing activities and provide after-sales support.
For more than a decade UG has spent building a distribution network for its own branded gloves. It started with Germany and this has now grown to major emerging countries such as Brazil, Nigeria and China (Figure 14, Figure 17). Brazil is a notable country with high barriers to entry due to the need for every glove to be barcoded.
2020-07-28 17:31 | Report Abuse
I didnt buy UG....dont know it as much as super
Posted by zzzz52 > Jul 28, 2020 5:29 PM | Report Abuse
@probability, ya ya, both Super and UG the power of OBM.
What was your entry for UG? I got mine at 0.61.
2020-07-28 17:30 | Report Abuse
Enjoy......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=Qwoj3LA9pOI&feature=emb_logo
Posted by super aloha > Jul 28, 2020 5:27 PM | Report Abuse
Cheers to all superman and super girl.. Table 20 is booked since last week... Beer is free flow serving....
Who will attend the table 20 gathering?
2020-07-28 17:18 | Report Abuse
UG Healthcare closing:
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/UGHC:SP
2020-07-28 16:12 | Report Abuse
UG Healthcare up 29% today - power of OBM
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/UGHC:SP
2020-07-28 11:00 | Report Abuse
OMG...
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 28, 2020 10:48 AM | Report Abuse
u will c the news all over the world ...lol ..if this happen
SUPERMAX 10000% INCREASE IN PROFIT FROM CORRESPONDING QTR !!!
2020-07-26 10:42 | Report Abuse
scroll down on the below link for Dr Edwin (stockpicktou) video, and after 44 min he will talk on careplus and supermax:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=771636250245829&id=2383438255226841&_rdr
2020-07-26 09:56 | Report Abuse
scroll down on the below link for the video, ans after 44 min he will talk on careplus and supermax:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=771636250245829&id=2383438255226841&_rdr
2020-07-26 09:49 | Report Abuse
Dr Edwin from stockpick 'to' u also dare to estimate super qtr 4 conservatively 600m to 800m based on OEM price increase of average 220
- His rough estimate doesnt factor in bumper profit from associate like brazil
- Additional new lines starting end march.higher production due to max caps. he assume a max caps in jan to mar to be conservative which of course we know its not true
- OBM streamlining profit
salute to him for such daring forecast in public...lol.he must be very confident after the careplus profit announcement
2020-07-25 18:24 | Report Abuse
they had actually planned this long back in April..
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Masks and gloves could be compulsory when Britain eventually gets back to work after lockdown
Government considering moves to force people to wear protective equipment at certain indoor work places as well as on public transport
17 APR 2020
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/masks-gloves-could-compulsory-britain-18104716
2020-07-25 18:20 | Report Abuse
you just need another spike in cases in UK
2020-07-25 18:15 | Report Abuse
If the above rule happens, all of Supermax gloves will go to UK (Supermax Aurelia)...even then cant cope with demand already at 190USD/k gloves
2020-07-25 18:12 | Report Abuse
MINISTERS are "looking at" whether the public should have to wear gloves to stop the spread of coronavirus, it was revealed today.
Health Minister Lord Bethell said that covering up the hands remained under consideration.
People could have to wear gloves next to stop the spread of covid
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On the possibility of Brits having to wear gloves, Conservative Baroness McIntosh of Pickering asked in the House of Lords today: "Has the Government formed a view on the use of gloves?
"Obviously we're all following the guidance of washing our hands but surely the correct use of gloves outdoors and indoors could prevent the passing on of the virus?"
And health minister Lord Bethell, concluding a debate on coronavirus regulations, replied: "To date, gloves are not in the guidance but they remain an area that we're looking at."
2020-07-25 18:11 | Report Abuse
ON THE OTHER HAND GLOVES could be made compulsory next for public with ministers ‘looking at’ the move
Natasha Clark
24 Jul 2020
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12216052/public-wear-gloves-coronavirus/
2020-07-25 14:55 | Report Abuse
thanks for the reaffirmation free...
2020-07-25 14:26 | Report Abuse
you mean, the distributors will be forced to squeeze their margin while the OEM expands...
difficult for me to comprehend...as the demand first contact point is the distributors..and the demand pressure is transferred from distributors to OEM...
the customers are the engine....the drive....
your theory sounds like the wheel is driving the engine
Posted by hglee101 > Jul 25, 2020 2:21 PM | Report Abuse
When the demand is higher than the supply, the supplier can decide the price, furthermore, the delivery lead time is more than 12months.
2020-07-25 14:16 | Report Abuse
you mean distributors of super sell for free (without any margin) just like topglove distributors in U.S?
2020-07-25 14:14 | Report Abuse
kindly elaborate why is that so...
Posted by hglee101 > Jul 25, 2020 2:12 PM | Report Abuse
No different whether OBM or OEM when operation has reached 100%.
2020-07-25 14:08 | Report Abuse
actually one simple way of comparing Super with TG is this:
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(1) decide what OBM margin is vs OEM
i see the ratio (OBM/OEM) ranges anywhere from 5 x , to the most conservative assumption giving 2 x.
Meaning if OEM make RM 0.10 per glove OBM makes at least RM 0.20 per glove.
(2) this margin difference can be represented as equivalent gloves.
For a minimum ratio of 2, the equivalent gloves capacity of Super will be double its existing versus topglove
as such Super effective capacity is 42 billion if topglove is at 90 billion. i.e about 50% of TG
(3) mcap of super versus topglove should reflect the equivalent gloves capacity
Current market cap of TG is 70 billion versus super of 23 billion
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based on (2) above, shouldnt super be having at least half the mcap of topglove? instead of less than 30% currently.
Super being OBM would have higher flexibility on spot orders which was shooting to 190usd per 1000 gloves in July....
being smaller, it has higher rate of expansion in capacity (growth) lesser constrained by workers unlike topglove...
further it had established its distributors at the key affected areas like Brazil and U.S....
I am still curious why the pricing has not catch up to TG
using the above arguments, super should be priced at 26 if topglove is at 26
In a nutshell, their price should match
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2020-07-25 13:18 | Report Abuse
everyone show some respect to rr88:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXW9IIiMoE
he was ex-commando....
2020-07-25 12:33 | Report Abuse
so this 'biological weapon' world war just starting i guess..
you will need self protection for a long period to come
2020-07-25 12:28 | Report Abuse
u.s can then easily send this 'biological weapon' which they have become immune to any other country....discreetly
u.s cases is almost 100k per day...and more than 5m already infected...in reality may be 10-20% of U.S citizens are already infected by now...
all it takes is another 4 months...at such exponential spread rate
(vaccine usage would be way longer 10 months
and the whole U.S is immune (of course with the expense of thousands of deaths)
2020-07-25 12:20 | Report Abuse
may be thats what u.s is aiming for....herd immunity
with that they will be the king maker and threaten china anytime
2020-07-25 12:15 | Report Abuse
i really do not see myself getting cured by such vaccine...
say i get vaccinated with all the side effects
by end 2021 or 2022, what happens if another new virus popped up? further its extremely likely that the current virus had mutated that even the new vaccines after so much trial phase is no longer effective for the fresh ones...
how many times should i get vaccinated then?
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i see the only practical way out is herd immunity....all other good news are to console the market (Trump's priority)...
This pandemic is like a forest fire....
"it will not stop till it burns all the woods in the forest, leaving only the wet ones behind".
2020-07-24 20:16 | Report Abuse
walao eh....need to enjoy some red wine over the weekend...
Posted by hng33 > Jul 24, 2020 8:14 PM | Report Abuse
If small glove maker, careplus with OEM can record more than 1700% profit growth in quarterly result, what will happen to supermax with much higher profit margin business model OBM + own distribution???
1000% increase profit will record RM 710m or EPS 52sen
2000% increase profit will record RM 1410m or EPS 104sen.
2020-07-24 11:19 | Report Abuse
here for you:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/1222318611/960x0.jpg?fit=scale
Posted by anticonman > Jul 24, 2020 11:16 AM | Report Abuse
M'sians and i3 members many conmen. Pls show your photo wearing glove. Upload your photo in i3 if you dare.
2020-07-24 11:12 | Report Abuse
lol!...entertainment is important...
Posted by zzzz52 > Jul 24, 2020 11:08 AM | Report Abuse
if there are differing points it is 100% fine. We need bad and good news. sure. it is just too much to scroll through... lol
but it is also entertainment here to many... lol
2020-07-24 10:52 | Report Abuse
i have no issues with any naysayers......as long as they say things with sound judgement...just one long comment with substance would do...
only benefit of private group is that you can remove annoying comments which takes up the space....
as such more & more private group formation should warn people to comment responsibly....and dont waste time creating new ids
2020-07-24 10:48 | Report Abuse
very true...face the reality...
one good example is Jaks private group...they became no longer open to criticism and differing opinion...
end up unable to see the truth
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 24, 2020 10:42 AM | Report Abuse
i am not against creating group...but if your intention is to get away then the intention is wrong.
2020-07-21 10:36 | Report Abuse
I wonder what happens if the distributor role they had taken (as an OBM), itself fetches 30USD/1000 gloves....
5 Billion gloves sales per qtr with that margin is already enough without any OEM margin
2020-07-20 22:45 | Report Abuse
Yes, TG guarantee up tomorrow
2020-07-20 22:44 | Report Abuse
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 10:11 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax has commissioned and undergone a Sedex Members Ethical Trade Audit (SMETA) audit by an independent auditor successfully and admitted as a member of SEDEX.
SEDEX is one of the world’s leading ethical trade service providers, working to improve working conditions in global supply chains. It provides practical tools, services and a community network to help companies improve their responsible and sustainable business practices, and source responsibly.
SMETA is an ethical audit format which reports on Sedex's four pillars of labour, health, safety and environment in reflecting good business ethics.
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 11:55 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax now is the safer choice now due to sedex member. Tg might get another hit from uk activist so tg investor mus be prepared. Not fear mongering jus be prepared n pls update here also if got latest news coz many here also vested in tg.
2020-07-20 22:43 | Report Abuse
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 10:11 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax has commissioned and undergone a Sedex Members Ethical Trade Audit (SMETA) audit by an independent auditor successfully and admitted as a member of SEDEX.
SEDEX is one of the world’s leading ethical trade service providers, working to improve working conditions in global supply chains. It provides practical tools, services and a community network to help companies improve their responsible and sustainable business practices, and source responsibly.
SMETA is an ethical audit format which reports on Sedex's four pillars of labour, health, safety and environment in reflecting good business ethics.
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 11:55 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax now is the safer choice now due to sedex member. Tg might get another hit from uk activist so tg investor mus be prepared. Not fear mongering jus be prepared n pls update here also if got latest news coz many here also vested in tg.
2020-07-20 22:42 | Report Abuse
Rubber gloves entering Australia from Malaysia could be linked to forced labour, with US restricting imports
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-20/gloves-malaysia-forced-labour-us-detention-order-australia/12292708
The world relies on Malaysia'
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The COVID-19 pandemic has seen an unprecedented surge in demand for personal protection equipment (PPE), particularly from Malaysia, which is thought to produce upwards of 60 per cent of the world's gloves.
In March, the US embassy in Kuala Lumpur declared that "the world relies on Malaysia in the fight against COVID-19".
Top Glove's revenue has skyrocketed as a result, reporting an incredible 366 per cent jump in net profit for the third quarter of 2020.
The company last month lauded "unparalleled growth" and its "most outstanding performance yet", with executive director Lim Cheong Guan telling reporters that: "The best is yet to come."
But there are indications that boosted production has taken a toll on workers.
An investigation by local news outlet Malaysiakini, released in early May, found that Top Glove was operating an initiative called Heroes for COVID-19, whereby workers were encouraged to spend up to four hours on their days off packing rubber gloves to meet demand.
"I don't feel like a hero at all," one worker, who said they had worked 14 days straight, told Malaysiakini.
A separate investigation by the UK's Channel 4 found that Top Glove workers were being paid less than $2-an-hour to work 12-hour shifts, 6 days a week.
Finnish Member of European Parliament Heidi Hautala and six other MEPs wrote to the EU's Commissioner for Trade in late May over "systemic and documented forced labour concerns" in Malaysia's glove-making industry.
"Illegal recruitment fees, long hours, low pay, passport confiscation and squalid, overcrowded accommodation are commonplace," Ms Hautala wrote.
"Such conditions leave workers, who are often foreign workers from countries such as Bangladesh, Myanmar and Nepal, vulnerable to forced labour and debt bondage, which are modern forms of slavery."
2020-07-20 22:40 | Report Abuse
Rubber gloves entering Australia from Malaysia could be linked to forced labour, with US restricting imports
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-20/gloves-malaysia-forced-labour-us-detention-order-australia/12292708
The world relies on Malaysia'
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The COVID-19 pandemic has seen an unprecedented surge in demand for personal protection equipment (PPE), particularly from Malaysia, which is thought to produce upwards of 60 per cent of the world's gloves.
In March, the US embassy in Kuala Lumpur declared that "the world relies on Malaysia in the fight against COVID-19".
Top Glove's revenue has skyrocketed as a result, reporting an incredible 366 per cent jump in net profit for the third quarter of 2020.
The company last month lauded "unparalleled growth" and its "most outstanding performance yet", with executive director Lim Cheong Guan telling reporters that: "The best is yet to come."
But there are indications that boosted production has taken a toll on workers.
An investigation by local news outlet Malaysiakini, released in early May, found that Top Glove was operating an initiative called Heroes for COVID-19, whereby workers were encouraged to spend up to four hours on their days off packing rubber gloves to meet demand.
"I don't feel like a hero at all," one worker, who said they had worked 14 days straight, told Malaysiakini.
A separate investigation by the UK's Channel 4 found that Top Glove workers were being paid less than $2-an-hour to work 12-hour shifts, 6 days a week.
Finnish Member of European Parliament Heidi Hautala and six other MEPs wrote to the EU's Commissioner for Trade in late May over "systemic and documented forced labour concerns" in Malaysia's glove-making industry.
"Illegal recruitment fees, long hours, low pay, passport confiscation and squalid, overcrowded accommodation are commonplace," Ms Hautala wrote.
"Such conditions leave workers, who are often foreign workers from countries such as Bangladesh, Myanmar and Nepal, vulnerable to forced labour and debt bondage, which are modern forms of slavery."
2020-07-20 21:30 | Report Abuse
not scared la...we want to leverage from TG rise
Posted by TeamRocket > Jul 20, 2020 9:27 PM | Report Abuse
All people scare for what? The big player is not kyy, not otb, not tyy
2020-07-20 21:28 | Report Abuse
Tomorrow get ready for news from BBC, UK
2020-07-20 21:26 | Report Abuse
https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/704733
Australian media: suspected of being forced to work with top gloves from slave hands
Nanyang Mon, Jul 20, 2020 08:47pm-36 minutes ago
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(Sydney, 20th) The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) reported that a number of corporate regulators suspected that the rubber gloves produced by Malaysia's top glove group “may have been produced by slave workers”.
According to reports, top gloves products account for about 20% of the world, is the world's largest manufacturer of rubber gloves. Most of the rubber gloves required to prevent and control coronary disease in Australia are produced from top-quality gloves.
The US Customs and Border Protection Bureau issued an attachment order on top gloves on the 15th of this month, authorizing the authorities to detain all products unless the group "produces and exports products from the United States" or "proves that all products do not involve forced labor."
The Customs and Border Protection Bureau told ABC that there is reasonable evidence to show that there are compulsory labor practices in the production of top gloves. "According to the ILO's indicators, this includes debt slavery, severe overtime, seizure of identity documents, poor working and living conditions, etc."
Regarding the US's allegations of forced labor, the top glove finger issue may be related to foreign workers and claimed to be "resolved." "However, before January 2019, some foreign workers have recoursed to intermediaries for payment of recruitment fees. We are not aware of this."
In Malaysia, the most widely reported problem of labor rights violations is that intermediaries charge excessive recruitment fees.
Corporate regulators point out that this often results in the most common “debt slave” in modern slavery, and victims have to pay debts with low wages for a long time.
Top Gloves claimed that they had repaid workers in full for recruitment fees in the past few months. "We believe that it is in the interest of all parties to solve the problem as soon as possible. In the current era of the coronary disease pandemic, we hope that the rubber gloves produced can reach the places where they are most needed."
Top-level gloves have not yet responded to ABC's queries.
"Corporate Responsibility Resource Center" Australia, New Zealand and Pacific regional representative Sinclair said: "Those Australian companies that import Malaysian products should really pay attention to the relevant issues. We know there (Malaysia) has a long history of bad behavior. "
2020-07-20 21:24 | Report Abuse
Australian media: suspected of being forced to work with top gloves from slave hands
Nanyang Mon, Jul 20, 2020 08:47pm-36 minutes ago
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(Sydney, 20th) The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) reported that a number of corporate regulators suspected that the rubber gloves produced by Malaysia's top glove group “may have been produced by slave workers”.
According to reports, top gloves products account for about 20% of the world, is the world's largest manufacturer of rubber gloves. Most of the rubber gloves required to prevent and control coronary disease in Australia are produced from top-quality gloves.
The US Customs and Border Protection Bureau issued an attachment order on top gloves on the 15th of this month, authorizing the authorities to detain all products unless the group "produces and exports products from the United States" or "proves that all products do not involve forced labor."
The Customs and Border Protection Bureau told ABC that there is reasonable evidence to show that there are compulsory labor practices in the production of top gloves. "According to the ILO's indicators, this includes debt slavery, severe overtime, seizure of identity documents, poor working and living conditions, etc."
Regarding the US's allegations of forced labor, the top glove finger issue may be related to foreign workers and claimed to be "resolved." "However, before January 2019, some foreign workers have recoursed to intermediaries for payment of recruitment fees. We are not aware of this."
In Malaysia, the most widely reported problem of labor rights violations is that intermediaries charge excessive recruitment fees.
Corporate regulators point out that this often results in the most common “debt slave” in modern slavery, and victims have to pay debts with low wages for a long time.
Top Gloves claimed that they had repaid workers in full for recruitment fees in the past few months. "We believe that it is in the interest of all parties to solve the problem as soon as possible. In the current era of the coronary disease pandemic, we hope that the rubber gloves produced can reach the places where they are most needed."
Top-level gloves have not yet responded to ABC's queries.
"Corporate Responsibility Resource Center" Australia, New Zealand and Pacific regional representative Sinclair said: "Those Australian companies that import Malaysian products should really pay attention to the relevant issues. We know there (Malaysia) has a long history of bad behavior. "
2020-07-20 21:22 | Report Abuse
Once UK, Australia follow U.S and block TG gloves....
i really dont know what will be the spot order price of Supermax gloves
2020-07-20 21:17 | Report Abuse
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 10:11 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax has commissioned and undergone a Sedex Members Ethical Trade Audit (SMETA) audit by an independent auditor successfully and admitted as a member of SEDEX.
SEDEX is one of the world’s leading ethical trade service providers, working to improve working conditions in global supply chains. It provides practical tools, services and a community network to help companies improve their responsible and sustainable business practices, and source responsibly.
SMETA is an ethical audit format which reports on Sedex's four pillars of labour, health, safety and environment in reflecting good business ethics.
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 11:55 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax now is the safer choice now due to sedex member. Tg might get another hit from uk activist so tg investor mus be prepared. Not fear mongering jus be prepared n pls update here also if got latest news coz many here also vested in tg.
2020-07-20 21:16 | Report Abuse
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 10:11 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax has commissioned and undergone a Sedex Members Ethical Trade Audit (SMETA) audit by an independent auditor successfully and admitted as a member of SEDEX.
SEDEX is one of the world’s leading ethical trade service providers, working to improve working conditions in global supply chains. It provides practical tools, services and a community network to help companies improve their responsible and sustainable business practices, and source responsibly.
SMETA is an ethical audit format which reports on Sedex's four pillars of labour, health, safety and environment in reflecting good business ethics.
Posted by freetospeak > Jul 17, 2020 11:55 AM | Report Abuse
Supermax now is the safer choice now due to sedex member. Tg might get another hit from uk activist so tg investor mus be prepared. Not fear mongering jus be prepared n pls update here also if got latest news coz many here also vested in tg.
2020-07-20 21:14 | Report Abuse
Rubber gloves entering Australia from Malaysia could be linked to forced labour, with US restricting imports
Posted 12 hours ago
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-20/gloves-malaysia-forced-labour-us-detention-order-australia/12292708
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Now Australia already zooming on TG....
next UK will do the same...they are very active on human rights
2020-07-20 21:11 | Report Abuse
Rubber gloves entering Australia from Malaysia could be linked to forced labour, with US restricting imports
Posted 12 hours ago
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-20/gloves-malaysia-forced-labour-us-detention-order-australia/12292708
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Now Australia already zooming on TG....
next UK will do the same as predicted by freetospeak
2020-07-20 20:00 | Report Abuse
i heard Comfort sells its OEM to its owner private company cheap2 so that he can sell like an OBM elsewhere with fat margin...
that was why he was selling Comfort shares earlier...
earnings of Comfort will totally disappoint market
some people are afraid of the supernormal rise in supermax share price and feel more secure with big established leaders like TG...it appears to more of a psychological factor till they see the earnings & compare
Stock: [SUPERMX]: SUPERMAX CORPORATION BHD
2020-07-28 19:40 | Report Abuse
CBP Issues Detention Order on Top Malaysian Medical Glove Producer Over Forced Labor Concerns
July 27, 2020
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/cbp-issues-detention-order-on-top-10409/
CBP's Detention Order on medical gloves produced by Top Glove's subsidiaries has been imposed at a time when demand for these products is at its highest, with the United States still in the grip of the COVID-19 pandemic and suffering from severe shortages of PPE, including masks and hand sanitizers.
In announcing its WRO against Top Glove, CBP stated that it was aware of the current critical need for disposable rubber gloves, and would continue to allow entry of gloves produced by all other manufacturers.
It estimated that the order against Top Glove entities in Malaysia would have no significant impact on total U.S. imports of that type of glove, despite the fact that Top Glove is largest manufacturer of these gloves in the world.
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U.S did this with the expectation of sourcing from other suppliers