Hi snowball, to be honest, you'll be looking at a good result for MCT in the 4th quarter results, this next 6 months, the results will be so so only.

Please verify on your own, what is said.

To answer you, interest cost, this is due to the loan MCT took from Ayala in 2018/2019 like that, around 120m++ USD, interest rate around 6%, that's why every year need to pay ~32million in interest.

Why so much loan (500+m MYR) vs low level of sales, I believe they used the money to rush out the completion of projects back then, after those projects were completed around 2020 (When MCT recorded one of their higher profits) of course Covid comes, and it effected their new launches, imagine if without covid, Aetas and Alira were launched 1 year earlier, and at this time, the revenue from these two projects (or more projects) would be just nice to cover the interest and generated profits.

Worst of all, after the intercompany loan is approved, goverment implemented taxation on intercompany loans, whereby, interest paid to controlling shareholders is not tax deductible expense. Again, got hit not only by interest, you'll also got hit by taxation as well. MCT's tax rate is insanely high... 30 to 40% ish? I didn't really verify the exact percentages for you...

That's the bad news, but having said all of that, this is where the better news is coming in.

If you check 2020 Annual Report, their unbilled sales is ~RM 320m
If you check the 2021 Annual Report, (EVEN AFTER BILLING minus RM 320m sales), they still have UNBILLED SALES of RM 510m!

Basically, in the year 2021, with covid, with lockdown, MCT sold RM 510m of new homes! Impressive numbers...

This RM 510m sales is from Aetas, Alira, Casa Bayu, which for aetas and alira, is only in the unbillable constructions stage unfortunately. Aetas will hit their residential unit construction in the 3rd quarter, while Alira probably will bill the first 10% in December (assuming foundation works takes a year)

Back to your interest topic, the MYR 500m + loan this figure have moved from Long Term Liability to Short Term Liability in Dec 2021 QR, which means, yes, this pain in the ass Loan/Interest/Tax payment will be replaced with local banking borrowings, that is more realistic with the current activity level, and at a lower interest rate amount as well.

Yes, like that loh, if you're entering now, it's really a good good point to enter, Net Asset 50+ cents, but, please, do prepare to hold up to minimum 6, ideally 9 months for this investment to turn around :(

I wouldn't want you to buy and cut loss in the next 1 to 3 months.
Myself also in the boat, and plan to see it through til year end.

need to trade sideway 26-30 cent until end of april, then 30-34 until end of may, by the time, QR result will then push it past 40 cents, if a minimum 2 cent EPS is achieved.

So far, it's mostly possible to achieve this 2c EPS, for a 2 quarter EPS of 4.65 cents

Replying to Blackpepper, if you understand property business, and the way their profit is calculated you will see their PnL is quite predictable.

For example, if I have completely sold out a 400m condo project, this 400m PnL will be spread across the 3-4 years of construction.
Of course, you will need to minus some profit which will be 'gone' as it has entered their final billing. (After VP 2 years, as they invoice the bank the final 10% of property price upon DLP over)

So we can see that their
1) Their completed properties, is almost sold out (Check balance sheet > Inventory values) They do not have overhang stocks
2) Their current under construction and new project launched, how much has been sold? It's reported in the Q result, this is new Revenue that will come in the next quarters
3) How is the reception to their new projects? Aetas I believe is receiving good interest, and Alira is priced very strategically, compared with other projects there by Tropicana.
4) Aetas project has already started pilling, and again, if you understand property business, they will not start construction, if the SPA sign rate during soft launch is not good.

Overall, I'm quite confident at least a cc EPS will be achievable in the next Q, and as we get more visibility into the sales % of their Aetas and Alira projects, potentially, it will even exceed, 4-5c EPS per quarter within 6-9 months

So short term (3 months to 1 year), we have good visibility of their profitability.
Long term (1-3 years), we should be looking at the beginning of the next property bull cycle,

So to me, the maths is very simple... is just up to all investors do you want to sell, and hope for a drop, to buy in at lower price (trading risk) vs (long term risk) if I hold and wait until 50c ++

To give you a summary, their 2.65c EPS is probably something like this

0.4 cent will not repeat in the next quarter, as it's the final claim after DLP.
2.25 cent will repeat in next quarter, as it's an active project

By next Q you will have
2.25 EPS which is brought forward from existing sales
0.X EPS from the new property sales generated from Jan - March

Of course, we have the forex thingy which may offset the final profit and loss. That's a random part.

Anyway, it's good to see more trading interest in the share, good share, good fundamentals whatever also, no use if no interest. enough commenting for now, hope to see you guys again in 2 months' time, when it's 40c++ la.

Take care~

So far, I like what I'm seeing, as long as above 30 cents by 15th April, the available supply of shares for MCT will have sufficiently been reduced, until the next Q result that's just 7 weeks away now.

Someone posted proudly Come take my Ticket at 0.33 cent just now and deleted.. lol, very easy to see he's a trader and matched his Q I believe..

Short term, it may still go down a bit, normal for consolidation to occur after a huge jump, but I believe 30 cent will be a good support.

Over few more days, especially after T7 from 1st April, we'll see how many of the shares traded ended up in 'Investors' hands, who have the holding power.. it'll then stage the next breakout if nothing else happened.

Too many followers are making the 'gurus' rich indirectly... @@

The guru want to sell, they'll ask u to buy, they want to buy, they will ask u to sell, get it?

Buy and invest with your own knowledge and understanding. If you listen to guru, or listen to anyone, you shouldn't be investing.. You'll be taken for a ride.

Compare the performance of ur trading account vs investing account, u may actually be surprised.

Trading account every T7 facility u use, every matching set of buy and sell order, u will lose like 0.8% fees?

This 0.5-8% fees is crazily expensive over multiple multiple trades u perform in a year!!! imagine 10k ammo, u trade (buy/sell) 100 times, each time u incur 0.8% trading fees + the T7 fees, 100 trades u make, u incur 10k in fees already.. roughly la.

Not even talking about u will Cut Loss or not.... you can't win if u trade long enough..

I advice, maybe open 2 shares account, one is cash only account. One is with trading/T7/Gambling facilities.... where no need upfront cash.

Put 70-80% of ur money into the cash only account, put 20-30% into your trading account.

Cash account manage with investor mindset, minimum each trade you need to think long term, 3 months.

Trading account, you can play as usual.

If you can wait for 2 months, 2 months only la... after announce Q result, it will average 40-50 cents, per Q result announcement where a minimum of 2 cent EPS is hit, expect a permanent gain of 10-15 cents.. because this is SUPPORTED by FUNDAMENTALS.... after announcement, the price wont break down anymore.

The last time I was asking people to wait for QR is during 16-19 cents time if you find back my posts in MCT... and yes, I'm still holding on even at 80% gains.. invest more, trade less guys!

Some profit taking is happening, again I want to advice you all to stop or reduce trading mindset, and adopt investor mindset... don't sell for 10-20% profit. Haiyah...

The next Q result will come in 2 months' time, in which it's expected to at least have 2 cents EPS. I'm actually discounting some reduction in EPS.

2.65 + 2 cent EPS... which I expect to be maintained until year end.
2.65 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 8.65 cents.

If you have holding power until year end, it'll be 60-80 cents.

round two, if today can close around 22, 22.5 will be good.

anyway, got benefit also la, if the sifu or speculator promote, a share need some attention to be healthty, and among the 1xxm shares traded yesterday, some should be able to hold ba.. :D welcome mct boat.

Cash and Cash Equivalent, 538m, amount owed to holding company, 526m net cash per share about 22m only
22m you divide by the outstanding shares la... it's certainly not the 33cent i believe. around 2cent net cash per share roughly la, you all do your own maths. lol.

if you yourself is playing as a trader (gambler) you can't blame the sharks, when you lose, but happy when gain. play by the sword, die by the sword la....

Anyway enough about the sharks.

For those who have onboarded and want to learn fundamentals, I will share.

Fundamentally, the property sector is still on an uptrend (overall property index is on a bull run) so, the sector as a whole, is on an uptrend. Look at the property index.

Property is a cyclical market, the 10-12 years cycle. Since it's peak, it's been about 10-12 years, we should be at the recovery stage or 2 years away from the next property bull run.

That's fundamentals on an overall market.

Fundamentals on per share basis, learn to wait for the quarter results, if already buy, hold for 2.5 weeks more la. QoQ performance is expected to be better, and most likely MCT will be profitable.

Their projects, surprisingly they are able to sell efficiently, amongst so many property developer, their completed unsold stock is surprisingly very very low.. the exact amount of unsold stock, you'll need to learn to read the QR/AR yourself...

Debt, no need to say, they are 'debt free' to banks, but they still have borrowing to parent company. They are not really net cash 33 cents, still need to repay la, even if borrow from parent company. But after paying parent, still have net cash. But it's not as much as 30 cents.

Have all the necessary information, and make informed investment decisions!
PS > Always do your own homework, and verify what ANYONE says...

9.6% of the entire MCT share was traded today, if the shares were really bought 9.6% by someone or sold by someone, it'll trigger major share holder changes soon, or the price will go LU, or LD. Big volume with minimal price movement (nett) is a good indicator of tape painting. as i said earlier today, ard 11am.

while i saw it happening, I didn't really benefit from it today as I don't want to sell before QR announcement.

don't play the trading game, you won't get the trading gains, but u don't get the trading losses too...

they can play the game, but if you're short term, your loss will be their gain.

the sharks probably gained twice in this operation, in the 23-24 cents selling, and now again as they pickup shares at 21.5

I read somewhere, some so called 'sifu' make buy call, and the followers, follow... follow to holland d.

hope the traders eventually will learn without losing too much money la.. i really worry those who CL after going in today.

To the sharks, good play... well executed

price will probably drop to 20 cent also, if a lot of those who gambled, are forced to cut loss (realize losses) over next few days.. due to no holding power, no actual money to pickup, or disappointed by unrealistic fast share gains expectations

What is even more painful to see, is if the QR release in the coming 2 weeks eventually is good... a lot of those who traded today and sell at a loss will be hit again the 2nd time, regretting why didnt' keep.

now those contra players who ate too much is cutting losses selling at 21.5 @@ interesting.. aih

for those who follow what sifu sifu and play by them, really will be gg. Come join the long term investor boat la, stop play play trading and get manipulated by so called sifus or buy calls. the volume vs price action clearly shows today action is manipulated one... huge buy and huge sell orders that doesn't really change hands for the shares..

trader wind blown and is gone~

they can buy all the shares volume they want, but 100% no intention to pickup at T2/7 so the volume is actually 'fake/weak' volumes...

QR result if good, will shift the support higher, as it'll discourage existing shareholders from selling... limit supply a bit. I still see a lot of traders hitting and exiting MCT few days.. probably contra/T7 players.

still need fundamental to cement the gains... dunno holding power of today buyer.. they could exit, one day show..

actura.. 4th QR delay max until 31st March, AR delay max until 31st May.....

i hope mct 'investors' here can change from trading to investing mindset, hold longer... lose less brokerage fees from trading in and out of multiple positions.

From people replying here, and other forums, again you can see a lot are hoping to make fast money, limit up la, hope can push up la, Tomorrow up LU, go to sky... lol these are the people who will cut loss when the price goes down a bit below their entry :D

When they cut loss, the share price will go down lu.

nobody knows, if it's really shark or not. if you view mct movement in longer term, the average price (support) has slowly been moving up, 16 > 17.5 and now recently to 19 cent, with these few days trading volume, it's possible the new support is now 20 cent already.

Within this 2 weeks, if the QR is good (It should be a profitable quarter) once QR is announced, the entire mindset on MCT will change, and by then it'll be impossible to buy < 20 cent I believe.

Having said that, we'll only know upon release of Q result, for those who've already invested, even if current EPS is not overperforming, or even if it's underperforming, if ur holding power is long enough, 1.60 average price can be super cheap in 3 years time also... who knows..

It really depends on your investment objective/time frame risk acceptance...

IOIPG themselves have guided that their china property sales is likely to moderate, and the previous QR result is most likely a one off event, due to the chinese in PRC, just open MCO and buy a lot....

why buy IOIPG for an estimated(realistic) EPS of 10-13 cents for this FY, when there're others better Price/EPS ratio, Price/NAPS, Price/NetCashPerShares property counters....

personally, i don't think there's gonna too much good news to be announced.. at least not so soon, you're talking about ultra high net worth individual, 70million is like spare change to him, even if the share price drop 10, 20 percent from his purchase price, really no rasa to him one...

Even if you look at FY 2017, their EPS is 18.42 cents
The FY2017 is due to earnings from projects launched in 2013-2015.. which is still in the peak/just after peak of property bull run....

If their peak of bullrun, EPS is 18.42 cent, even in a best case scenario they can sustain their 3.49 cents EPS, for 4 quarters, it's still an EPS of 13 cents.. which is about fairly valued at 12x EPS for current price range.

His risk profile and your risk profile also very different.... you will cut loss if it drops 10%, he has infinite pocket to keep buying more.

potentially 200-400% gain is even possible, 400% in potentially, 3 years time assuming that's the timeframe for the next 'bull phase' of property sector.

personally, i'm targeting 100% gain from this.... once MCT hits a good result in this next two quarters, it's very likely that upcoming quarters will get even better, so it could potentially be the start of a new bull run.

who is james the blogger

I rather we have a solid holder accumulating 10m shares from the traders to reduce share supply, than 80m volume of traders who will go away the next few days after the party is over, and leaving behind garbage for the home owner to clean up

very good volume today, but is it the buy and hold volume or pump and dump volume...

compared with their current project which shld be a lower margin, alira and aetas and also their casa bayu is gonna be higher margin projects too... if they're able to execute, their next 2 years profit will be stellar, and after which, it's almost certainly the sector will go into the next property bull run d. 300 - 400% gain is really possible in this scenario.. at 60-70c price of MCT, the 20.5c paid is gonna be so cheap..

Actually, if u look into their latest QR, if not for the higher tax reversal (from previous tax credit when the co is making losses) MCT already break even/small profit. Assuming that things are only going to get better from now on, this is really the bottom for the company in terms of fundamentals. This is especially true for companies that have minimal overhang and cash rich. When the property overhang reduces/another bull run happens, you'll easily double your profit from MCT, or even triple it if you can hold long enough. But again, this depends on your investment time frame, and if you're want to earn 'fast money' or slow and steady type...

no prb buy at 20.5 if your investment plan is sound... in his case, he targets 30cent TP, which is possible in 6-12 months duration. as i mentioned before, they have minimum overhang, and their current projects is almost fully sold (which will be reflected in the coming q result in Feb) we'll then see the performance of their Alira and Aetas sales which is soft launched now...

Overall, for property counters that have minimal overhang units and healthy balance sheet, it's a very good time to buy them earlier, vs later... as the low interest environment, + minimal new launches recently, will make it very possible that this coming year is a recovery year for properties, and next year is the beginning of a new property bull run.

He will make money if he can hold 1 year, but the problem is, can everyone hold? Or will they cut loss.... a lot of ppl is trading and cutting loss, making the share price volatile, and against its fundamentals....

A bit of background on MCT's fundamentals.
1) They have very little completed / unsold stocks. About 16m as per their last q result. At average of 400k per resident, that's just 40 units of unsold inventory.

2) Their last few QR is impacted from the interest payment on their outstanding loan, however in their latest Q result, their balance sheet has improved (increase of cash & cash equivalent) and decrease in debt, and with the sales of more units for their 'under construction' project, the balance sheet improvement will materialize in the PnL next Q.

3) After selling out their final active large project (which is their lakefront homes) condo, MCT has no minimal active project at all. Alira and Aetas is in 'soft launch' stage. You can look at this both as a positive and negative, positive in the sense that, they're in control if they want to formally launch the next project, after getting a good % of buyers with LO approved. If the project has low acceptance rate, they can delay the launch, and still able to wait until end of 2021 to launch.
Negative in the sense that, they will not have new sales to replenish or maintain a high revenue in 3rd/4th quarters. Overall I feel point 3 is a positive, I'd rather save the cash and not launch a project, vs having a lot of unsold under construction in this period.

4) They literally just need a QR with net profit and the technicals/fundamentals will be a perfect combo to send it on a run..

The question now is... will the 50m+ 19.5/20 cents buyers cut loss, or do they at least have the 2 months holding power until the Q result comes out. Fundamentally, I believe MCT will have a good chance to have a good QR, but I'm really not sure of the quality of shareholders that came in this round..

Is there another 'sifu' do buy call on MCT yesterday ar.. lol.. those stock sifus and their followers... @@

All so confident of the 25c?
Mmm not sure how to interpret today's action.

1) MCT historically, have a lot of 'traders' that'll easily take profit 1-2 bids, or cut loss 1-2 bids, that's why it's very very hard to escape the 17.5 - 18.5 range.... go up from 16.5 to 17.5, the 17.5 buyers will cut loss down to 16.5 etc etc..

2) The volume in 19.5 and 20 cent is a very very good sign, over 20 million traded in each of these prices. IF these 40+ million shares is bought by someone with good holding power/long term view, it's a game changer for MCT, as the stocks supply in the hands of flippers will be significantly reduced...

I guess we will know in 2 days time, if the profit takers/cut losers will show their hand.

https://focusmalaysia.my/mainstream/property-market-ripe-for-rebound-in-2021/

Maybank IB rerating property sector to buy. Hope more rerating from other IBs soon.

https://focusmalaysia.my/mainstream/property-market-ripe-for-rebound-in-2021/

Maybank IB rerating property sector to Buy.. hope more to come.