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calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2020-01-10 20:19 | Report Abuse

TUN DR M SHOULD INSIST USING ENGLISH AS A MEDIUM OF TEACHING IN SCHOOL FOR SCIENCE AND MATHS AGAIN

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR MALAYSIA TO PROGRESS!

jjohnchew

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Posted by jjohnchew > 2020-01-10 22:01 | Report Abuse

Ho ho Calv. why tell lie on yr cruise ship tour to Thailand n Cambodia recently...It is wat u learn best from yr education system...

U posted the cruise near koh samui. TV8 news said a cruise ship is collided near koh samui.. no casualties... a USA tourist is interviewed.

When asked u... u first said no collision then said is the ship near Phuket one...tell lie to promote Netx n along the way said Malaysia 2G la.. Singapore 7G la.. is this wat u learn best from yr education system...

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 11:06 | Report Abuse

calvintaneng TUN DR M SHOULD INSIST USING ENGLISH AS A MEDIUM OF TEACHING IN SCHOOL FOR SCIENCE AND MATHS AGAIN

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To each child, education is a special privilege.......something for them to appreciate......Don't use force......or may stir up the feeling of disgust.

Decentralization is the key. Let the each school and learning institution to decide.......The appointment of creditable principals and leaders is crucial........Fire the incompetent and impotent ones.....those who fail the national agenda in terms of nationalism, pluralism and unity........End practice of tribalism, ethnocentrism and apartheism.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 11:14 | Report Abuse

In the 21st Century, still we hear some absolutely innocent children, totally rebellious adolescent and mature adults got forced and indoctrinated to choose delusion over rationalism.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 11:29 | Report Abuse

In the 21st Century, still we hear some absolutely innocent children, totally rebellious adolescent and mature adults got forced and indoctrinated to choose delusion over rationalism.......faith over evidence........

Some states and countries continue to cheat their people by funding futile way of learning in this age of google and wikipaedia - memorization, rote learning and scripture recital take priority over cultivating curiasity, creative and critical thinking.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 11:36 | Report Abuse

Only by the latter, people will realize

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2020/01/11/g25-questions-constitutional-validity-of-jakim-national-islamic-council/

Even if the NCIA were to be legally established, it added, its role would be confined to advising the states, which would not be obliged to heed its advice.

G25 noted that Jakim, on top of serving as the NCIA secretariat, had also been entrusted with such functions as the development of Islam and missionary activities.

“The substance of these functions, arguably, exceed the executive authority of the federation (exercisable by the Cabinet), given that the executive authority of the federation does not extend to the Muslim religion except for the Federal Territories only,

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 11:38 | Report Abuse

....and able to push forward up-to-date progressive and truly humanistic agenda, rather than pedalling backward using hindmirror as though oast successful formulae would still work these days

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 12:26 | Report Abuse

When these learning places are not manned by.the right people, they produce shameless bullies, irrational thugs and sick-minded racist bigots......

.....and see school principals who fail to give these of their very products a good lesson and telling off, would instead bow down to the stupendous demands of the racist bigots.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 12:30 | Report Abuse

The best time is decades ago, the second best time is now.....

....To launch this campaign nationwide for 366 days from next year;

STOP RACISM

Take home mssage to schools (to bring home and educate their parents too):

Racism is a symptom of psychological ill-health. (HUMANISM)

It is a sign of a lack of psychological integration, a lack of self-esteem and inner security.

Psychologically healthy people with a stable sense of self and strong inner security are not racist, because they have no need to strengthen their sense of self through group identity.(PROGRESSIVE)

They have no need to define themselves in distinction to — and in conflict with — others.(REASON)

Scientifically there is no biological basis for dividing the human race into distinct "races." (SCIENTIFIC)

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 12:32 | Report Abuse

Bottomline:

Schoolers must not miss learning to understand.....

.....understanding the bad consequences from extreme racism:

PROGRSSION OF RACISM: ENMITY TOWARDS OTHER GROUPS


In order to further strengthen their sense of identity, members of a group may develop hostile feelings toward other groups. The group may become more defined and cohesive in its otherness to — and in its conflict with — other groups. Act benevolently towards members of their own group, but be cruel and heartless to anyone outside it. When members of a group take the step of withdrawing empathy from members of other groups, limiting their concern and compassion to their fellows. They may act benevolently towards members of their own group, but be cruel and heartless to anyone outside it. Members project their own psychological flaws and their own personal failings onto another group.
(Progression into MALIGNANT STAGE (the most dangerous and destructive stage)



Outcomes: Boycott, Bully, Thuggery

Posted by enigmatic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > 2020-01-11 12:34 | Report Abuse

I agree with calvintaneng, but with a small qualifier. Maths and Science must be taught in English in secondary schools onwards. For primary schools, the basic concepts can be taught in BM in SKs or vernacular in vernacular schools for students to understand better.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 13:29 | Report Abuse

No one size fits all.....let the schools decide.....based of concensus with parent-teacher associations, their teachers' strength, etc

Let the stakeholders choose......let there by a good variety of options, and freedom.......

Give time for 'natural selection' and let it runs its course......and 'eliminates' the 'weak', 'unpopular' and 'useless' ones

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2020-01-11 13:45 | Report Abuse

It's better this old cock assumes acting position in all ministries. This fellow distrusts everyone which is an "Indian" leadership syndrome.

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2020-01-11 13:49 | Report Abuse

This post reeks of brown nosing and putting the old cock onto a pedestal.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 15:26 | Report Abuse

Ya'r rit. Diversity is strength. 21st Century leadership is about embracing pluralism toward harmony and prosperity.

What to do.....for toxic people, every opportunity would be seen as a threat.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 15:30 | Report Abuse

An excellent leader can easily identify the right person for every task and delegate well;

......... half baked ones always choose the wrong people, hence pathetic results

(hallmark of a great leader vs average one)

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 15:51 | Report Abuse

And how a nation can head toward the right direction when kids ......got cheated,...... learn cheat mode,........ and learn cheating in a humanistically unethical, openly unjust and sinfully inequitable education system.......

.....which has been short changed by side channelling federal fund.....on religiosity and other state matter

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 15:54 | Report Abuse

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2020/01/11/decide-who-takes-charge-of-religious-education-putrajaya-and-state-govts-urged/

Education is a federal matter, but Islam is a state matter. Here we’re talking about tahfiz, which is religious education. So, this is a grey area – does it fall under federal as an education matter or does it fall under state as Islam?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 15:59 | Report Abuse

Ya'r rit. Regularly happen since 1969

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:01 | Report Abuse

Not getting all the basic humnistic thingy correct, how to head the right direction?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:14 | Report Abuse

Wrong priority..............shameless policies..........irresponsible fundings.........discriminatory practices

.........equal to 'right direction'?

Scientifically sound? Arithmetically consistent? Convincible equation??

PureBULL ...

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Posted by PureBULL ... > 2020-01-11 16:16 | Report Abuse

every problem needs a simple solution, buddha shouted ..

in s pore, onli the talented from ivy league n or equivalent has the chance to go to HIGH office.

actuary science said:
v v rare TOP students in any country in any yr r willing to mess up THINGS.

they know exactly, what n who is RIGHT, n talented n skilled like pro in stock market now !

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:22 | Report Abuse

Posted by PureBULL ... > Jan 11, 2020 4:16 PM | Report Abuse

every problem needs a simple solution, buddha shouted


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Time has changed everything. 21st Century challenges can only be met by using up-to-date evidence-based solutions.....

......not obsolete philosophy-based of the past

Evidence for this: More religiosity in terms of effort and expenditure, but higher discontentment, greed and power abuse

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:25 | Report Abuse

Debate of 21st Century.......let kids learn from home, why torturing school hours and ridiculoisly forced lessons of unnecessary writing or language

School is prison? A prison—according to the common, general definition—is any place of involuntary confinement and restriction of liberty.

Sometimes people use the word prison in a metaphorical sense to refer to any situation in which they must follow rules or do things that are unpleasant.

It is against the law in this and other democratic countries to force someone to work at a job where the person doesn't want to work, or to marry someone that he or she doesn't want to marry.It is not against the law, however, to force a child to go to school.

it is wrong to deny anyone liberty i.e. choosing to learn or not to learn, without just cause. It is not easy to force people to do what they do not want to do.

By confining children to school and to other adult-directed settings, and by filling their time with assignments, we deprive them of the opportunities and time they need to assume the responsibility to think about their own future and take steps to prepare themselves for it.

In a rigid system in which teachers do the assessment, few students are going to criticize or even question the ideas shove down their throat.

Finally, by forcing all schoolchildren through the same standard curriculum, we reduce their opportunities to follow alternative pathways. When children are free? they take new, diverse, and unpredicted paths. They develop passionate interests, work diligently to become experts in the realms that fascinate them, and then find ways of making a living by pursuing their interests. Students forced through the standard curriculum have much less time to pursue their own interests, and many learn well the lesson that their own interests don't really count; what counts is what's seen by their narrow-minded teachers-cum-assessors.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:27 | Report Abuse

The End Justifies The Means

Teaching will be favoured by selection only where the costs to teachers of facilitating learning are outweighed by the long-term fitness benefits they accrue once pupils have learned, and these benefits will be scaled by the ease with which pupils could learn without teaching.

Evolutionary science holds for improving educational research,practice, and policy. However, it is equally obvious that it will take a concerted effort on the part of not only researchers, practitioners and school administrators, but also parents and other education stakeholders before the full potential of adopting an evolutionary perspective on schooling can be realized.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:32 | Report Abuse

An ideal educational environment would, among other things, permit age-mixed interactions, and allow freedom of expression
and debate, while maximizing the children’s abilities to educate themselves.......

......and has a deep consideration on Geary's concept on biologically primary and secondary knowledge, when deciding on using public funding or let individual to self-sponsor (pay for the lessons)

The thinking using the evolved modules as biologically primary, and that involving the plastic frontal areas as biologically secondary.

Environmental pressures have resulted in the evolution of brain ‘modules’ specialising in processing certain types of information, such as language or facial features. Information is processed by the modules rapidly, automatically and implicitly, resulting in heuristics (rules of thumb) characteristic of the ‘folk’ psychology, biology and physics that form the default patterns for the way we think. (biologically primary)

Sapiens are also capable of flexible thought that overrides those default patterns. The flexibility is due to the highly plastic frontal areas of the brain responsible for intelligence. (biologically secondary)

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:38 | Report Abuse

Real valuable education produces sapiens (wise man).....

.....fake ones produce mobsters, bullies and outlaws

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:46 | Report Abuse

With no moral sense......like this:

It is wrong to deny anyone liberty i.e. choosing to learn or not to learn, without just cause. It is not easy to force people to do what they do not want to do.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:51 | Report Abuse

With poor 'right vs wrong' moral compass:

When an 'everyone-should-condemn' shyster used a one poison letter to cause:


1. The joyous atmosphere fades away. What a disheartening sight for the hundred kids to see the decoration being removed.

2. An awkward feeling chills down the spine of dozen of teachers and other administrative staff

3. A 'pissed off' disgust feeling for right-minded Malaysians and even others who were against the culprit's stunt

4. Curiousity for the whole of world to wonder and question the writer, his credentials, and that of his learning institution

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:53 | Report Abuse

Why force innocent kids? (Education is a privilege, not a torturing agent)

By forcing all schoolchildren through the same standard curriculum, we reduce their opportunities to follow alternative pathways. When children are free? they take new, diverse, and unpredicted paths. They develop passionate interests, work diligently to become experts in the realms that fascinate them, and then find ways of making a living by pursuing their interests. Students forced through the standard curriculum have much less time to pursue their own interests, and many learn well the lesson that their own interests don't really count; what counts is what's seen by their narrow-minded teachers-cum-assessors.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 16:59 | Report Abuse

......force them.....and they risk growing up as an incosiderate adults

who will not consider others'feelings

with no qualm to make false and sinful accusation and fitnah

and indulge in gossip and menyumpat every Friday

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:13 | Report Abuse

Scientifically, many forced lessons would late prove to be like viral memes which are so dangerously infectios and brainwashing in optima forma.

And 'infected' parents have kind of no choice but to pass on to their offsprings, although many may argue that they do have a choice. (They can expose themselves to all the counter arguments for the validity of their mimes and evaluate them with rationality and honesty.)

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:19 | Report Abuse

Generation after generation.....

Most of the educators fail to keep up with time; and their learning materials, which belong to pre-21st century era, are getting more and more irrelevant. Some universities are becoming public-fund-wasting paper mills a.k.a exaggerated versions of secondary schools with huge expenditure. Their 'products' are misfits in the post-modern era, in terms of life motto, scientific knowledge and evidence-based practices.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:24 | Report Abuse

Irrwsponsible learning institutions using facilities, premises and megafund of the 21st century to propagate outdated information- an analogy is .....

.....imagine instead of using the latest volume of encyclopaedia, they defend using the first (original), 'sacred-cum-holy' version.....

and not expecting the students to feel so lost navigating the hypermodern world like a primitive (relatively) thinker

(cowboy of the 21st century)

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:29 | Report Abuse

When the blind leads the blind, they will not get out of Plato's Cave

Plato’s Allegory of the Cave: Life Lessons on How to Think for Yourself.

(Inferior educators dictate what and how his students should think. Mediocre educators dictate what his students should know. Superior educators cultivate the habits of thinking in his students.)

See human beings as though they were in an underground cave-like dwelling with its entrance, a long one, open to the light across the whole width of the cave. They are in it from childhood with their legs and necks in bonds so that they are fixed, seeing only in front of them, unable because of the bond to turn their head all the way around.”

Every day, these people in the caves watched shadows projected on a blank wall. For them, these shadows are real and they shape their entire reality.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:30 | Report Abuse

........right direction? Can get out of Plato's Cave?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:42 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, we are just human beings, who go through a spiritual experience.

Outside Plato's Cave, we are spiritual beings of star dust origin, who go through a human experience.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:50 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, religiosity fills the people who live controcersially in the past as well as in the future, with dreams of glory in paradise, creating cloisters in our memory

Outside Plato's Cave, spirituality enriches the people who live in the present by making them live the glory and paradise on earth, as well as liberating their consciousness.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 17:58 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, the stuporous people who need someone to tell them what to do and have a dire need to be guided, are being preached about division and differences

Outside Plato's Cave, the widely awakened people who pay full attention to their inner voice, learn about similarity, oneness and unity.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 18:07 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, the people follow a set of dogmatic rules which are rich in threatening and frightening elements, speak of sin and guilt, and repress everything which are considered false.

Outside Plato's Cave, the people focua on inner peace by exploring within and getting attuned to the Universal Rules, hence lead them on the path of emancipation, transcending everything as the scientifically proven and physics-compliant rules bring them closer to the truth

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2020-01-11 18:10 | Report Abuse

A copy and paste from one of comment in Tun’s blog:

Congrats for being the Education Minister, once again.
I have summarised a proposition of initiative that maybe undertaken in Malaysian school, based on Professor Sugata Mitra revolutionary ideas.
As an overview, Mitra implemented “the school in the cloud” or self-organised-learning-eavironment. In the tech. term, “cloud” means “the internet servers”.

I shared some links which you may be interested to read on.
The first link below tell the story of a teacher, Sergio Juárez Correa in a Mexican school implemented the student-led-learning after he has been inspired by Prof. Mitra ideas. His result speak for itsef.
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/free-thinkers/

The second link below is Mitra’s TED talk video which won him a 1 million grant to pursue his idea.
https://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud?language=en

The third link is the website of the SOLE schools around the world, connected to each other.
https://www.theschoolinthecloud.org/partners/sole-central/

Finally, the video of Jacob Barnet, which re-inforce Prof Mitra’s idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE

After reading and watching the videos, I think you can figure it all out

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 18:19 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, the people who follows the concepts of a sacred book and the teachings of teachers who not tolerate any questioning or new concepts, are divided, deluded and selfish,

Outside Plato's Cave, the people who seeks the sacred in all books and the teachings of teachers who encourage searching questions and discovery effort, are united, rational and generous,


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Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 18:28 | Report Abuse

Inside Plato's Cave, the people who feed on internal ego and perform rituals.

Outside Plato's Cave, the people are driven to transcend beyond self amd inner self.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 19:10 | Report Abuse

Posted by Sslee > Jan 11, 2020 6:10 PM | Report Abuse

A copy and paste from one of comment in Tun’s blog:

Congrats for being the Education Minister, once again.
I have summarised a proposition of initiative that maybe undertaken in Malaysian school, based on Professor Sugata Mitra revolutionary ideas.
As an overview, Mitra implemented “the school in the cloud” or self-organised-learning-eavironment. In the tech. term, “cloud” means “the internet servers”.

___________

Firstly, moe has a responsibility to lead them out of the Plato's Cave by education.....

......once out of the cave, then only can talk about reaching out for the cloud and stars in the sky.

No?

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2020-01-11 20:29 | Report Abuse

Dear all,

The problem with people in this country is that they are too fanatical about their religions. Well, this is a big problem, because it does affect their thinking. They became irrational. I celebrate all the religions because they are harmless. I enter all the places of worship, even just to look.

So for once I want religion study to be taken out of school. You can just teach general knowledge about all the religions in this world. After-all religion is between you and your god. It is not be boasted about in public.

Like sex it is between you and your wife and no need to teach how to start, when to end and how many times per-day/month/year or boasted about in public. I pray daily.

Thank you

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 21:22 | Report Abuse

moe must immediately start redefining clearly about what would be mutually agreed upon core values for anak2 msia......be him or her a penangite to a sarawakian or sabahan.....

Start by replacing all the overdue preexisting stumbling blocks in ther forms of skewed minded educators, counterproductive policies and toxic practices;

......and focusing on a more inclusive education system that reflects diversity like Singapore

......an education system that inculcates respect, undeestanding and acceptance of other cultures and religions...

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 21:27 | Report Abuse

How much does it cause to bring unity to anak2 msia? Zero cost:

Anak2 msia from penang to sarawak.....will be automatically...instantly united when their teachers got the correct mindset....

" The land,,earth and heaven do not exclusively belong to anyone of us

........; but rather WE BELONG TO THE UNIVERSE!

The importance of paradigm shift! Simple, yet profound

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 21:31 | Report Abuse

What kids should learn from recent relevant history....

In the 1980s, when people from around the world (students, youth and grown ups) look up to Malaysia as an excellent model to follow. The reason is because in those days, Malaysia was able to combine religiosity with modernisation. Over the last couple of decades, the opposite reaction is what msia gets. People are saying, ‘Look at Malaysia; this is what happens when you mix religion with politics. You’re going to be extremists, rampant corruption, near bankruptcy and kleptocracy. Msia is now the model to be avoided

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 21:32 | Report Abuse

Meritocracy starts young - from school days


The educational quality of our national schools has greatly declined over the last three decades primarily due to the lack of competent teachers and effective school leaders. We are all paying the price for sacrificing quality for a narrow racist agenda and mediocrity. In the words of a close Malay friend of mine, "Singh, tak ada kualiti, tak apa. Janji orang kita yang jadi cikgu dan pengetua."

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2020-01-11 21:40 | Report Abuse

Words of Wisdom

Parents and schools should place great emphasis on the idea that it is all right to be different. Racism and all the other ‘isms’ grow from primitive tribalism, the instinctive hostility against those of another tribe, race, religion, nationality, class or whatever. You are a lucky child if your parents taught you to accept diversity.

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