Posted by Newbeoz > 2021-04-13 09:43 | Report Abuse

Isn't Jawi Arabic?

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 11:08 | Report Abuse

Jawi is just a writing script. You could use it to write in Malay, Urdu, Persian, other than Arabic of course.

Just like Rumi (Roman) script is currently being used to write in many languages, including Malay, apart from Latin or Italian.

We're all using Rumi (Roman) script right now, but that does not make us Romans or even Italians.

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 12:41 | Report Abuse

Ya loh....what is the point leh!

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 12:45 | Report Abuse

If msia love country historical heritage, where is the past history of malays in the peninsular are linked to hindu & buddhist, why destroy history leh ?

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 12:55 | Report Abuse

point being, why chinese all up in arms about jawi script but not screaming shouting about roman script at all

they even happily using anglo first names, whether officially or just casually

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 12:57 | Report Abuse

even the name 'jawi' is an adjectival reference to 'jawa' (java) rather than the arab lands

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 12:58 | Report Abuse

I ask u lah!

How many malays know how to write, read & understand jawi leh ??

Wasting time & resources mah!


Posted by RiverOfSilver > Apr 13, 2021 12:55 PM | Report Abuse

point being, why chinese all up in arms about jawi script but not screaming shouting about roman script at all

they even happily using anglo first names, whether officially or just casually

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:03 | Report Abuse

I mean, if your surname is 'shet' or 'fatt', that would be a constant butt of good natured humour in US & Britain, whether you use John, Jack or James as your first name

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:08 | Report Abuse

Posted by stockraider > Apr 13, 2021 12:58 PM | Report Abuse

I ask u lah!

How many malays know how to write, read & understand jawi leh ??

******

I answer you la

Very nearly all, it's not that difficult, it's just a writing script, an alphabet

Your name would be someting like ... ستوكرايدر

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:10 | Report Abuse

Correct loh....msia always want to syiok sendiri on many thing....yes u can waste time....but do not waste other people time mah....make sure do something useful mah...!!

Yes...we want people to understand old language....but is a matter of getting a niche few specialist to master that mah...!!

U see how the chinese written language evolve over thousand of years....but the china govt....just ensure....that there are enough language specialist to translate from old to new mah...!!

No need syiok sendiri ask & force everybody to learn loh!

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:12 | Report Abuse

A bit of forceful motivation is always necessary for unification & nation building

Has happened in all countries, including China

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:15 | Report Abuse

Only your people always so hard headed & recalcitrant about everything

You try go live in Indonesia some time la, see whether you can tahan or not

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:15 | Report Abuse

OMG Rubbish lah...learning jawi can unify the nation meh ?

Posted by RiverOfSilver > Apr 13, 2021 1:12 PM | Report Abuse

A bit of forceful motivation is always necessary for unification & nation building

Has happened in all countries, including China

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:17 | Report Abuse

U go jakarta or medan & not acheh...very good mah....!!


Posted by RiverOfSilver > Apr 13, 2021 1:15 PM | Report Abuse

Only your people always so hard headed & recalcitrant about everything

You try go live in Indonesia some time la, see whether you can tahan or not

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:20 | Report Abuse

Chinese Indonesians speak Indonesian Malay even among themselves, even when abroad like when they in Malaysia, they never speak Chinese at all

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:20 | Report Abuse

They not like you guys

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:36 | Report Abuse

We also can speak malay mah!

The indonesia chinese most do not know chinese mah...!!


Posted by RiverOfSilver > Apr 13, 2021 1:20 PM | Report Abuse

Chinese Indonesians speak Indonesian Malay even among themselves, even when abroad like when they in Malaysia, they never speak Chinese at all

Posted by i3lurker > 2021-04-13 13:39 | Report Abuse

Yes agree Jawi is threatened

should compound all who speak English or Mandarin or French of German etc etc RM10,000.00 per word

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:41 | Report Abuse

Becos in their place govt 20 times stricter about unification & nation building la

No such thing as chinese language education in their schools leh

Not like here gv so much chance & freedom to you guys

Posted by LossAversion > 2021-04-13 13:42 | Report Abuse

When people are talking about learning the TECH language in the shortest possible time, or learning Chinese to "tame" the Chinanese, Malaysia still harping on learning Jawi. LOL

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:43 | Report Abuse

And still you guys never ever stop whining bittcching moaning complaining

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:44 | Report Abuse

Thats is during Suharto time mah!

Now indonesia are more liberal than msia bcos they realize their mistake mah!.

But too bad the indonesia chinese already lose their chinese language just like our baba & nyonya loh, luckily they still have the chinese culture & custom remaining with them loh!

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:45 | Report Abuse

Maybe we should consider emulating the Indonesians in terms of strictness in national education system

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:46 | Report Abuse

Learn from the indonesia lesson mah...!!

Now indonesia are more liberal than msia bcos they realize their mistake mah!.

But too bad the indonesia chinese already lose their chinese language just like our baba & nyonya loh, luckily they still have the chinese culture & custom remaining with them loh!

Posted by LossAversion > 2021-04-13 13:49 | Report Abuse

@Posted by RiverOfSilver.
When a country is HUGE enough to have a national language, yes, by all means everything is posible in that language. When comes to a tiny weeny country, please look at Singapore. Singapore NATIONAL LANGUAGE is still Malay language, but look at how successful Singapore is when it is open to English and Mandarin!!!

Posted by RiverOfSilver > 2021-04-13 13:50 | Report Abuse

Why too bad, they are Indonesians now, it is only right that they're speaking bahasa indonesia, instead of chinese

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 13:53 | Report Abuse

South Korea is not that big, and it is on china's doorstep, literally

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 13:54 | Report Abuse

But are South Koreans speaking Chinese instead of Korean?

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:54 | Report Abuse

Why learning jawi is a waste of time ??

Say u master jawi....got an A1....do u think....u go arab country u can read & speak arabic or read the Quran ah ??

The answer is big NO loh!

This is bcos msia jawi...is a medium of delivering malay language to us...just like our "rumi" or alphabet delivering the bahasa melayu to us mah....!!

In the case of " rumi or alphabet" it is very much more efficient & easier to learn & understand....thats why Utusan Melayu close down the last jawi malay newspaper in 1970 mah....!!

There is nothing jawi can provide that your rumi cannot do mah!

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 13:59 | Report Abuse

You guys go to tell them Japanese & South Koreans la, maybe them Vietnamese also la, that they all should be speaking Chinese, just for the sake of pleasing China

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 13:59 | Report Abuse

The korean writing is actually evolve from chinese writing mah!

Actually korean language is just equivalent another chinese dialect like cantonese, hokkien, teochew mah...!!

All these cantonese, hokkien and teochew can read the chinese paper but they read out the paper base on their own dialect mah!!


Posted by FortuneBlooming > Apr 13, 2021 1:54 PM | Report Abuse

But are South Koreans speaking Chinese instead of Korean?

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:01 | Report Abuse

If jawi is so useful....everybody will jump at the opportunity to learn it mah....!!

The problem is it is not loh!!

Can see the logic ah ??


Posted by stockraider > Apr 13, 2021 1:54 PM | Report Abuse X

Why learning jawi is a waste of time ??

Say u master jawi....got an A1....do u think....u go arab country u can read & speak arabic or read the Quran ah ??

The answer is big NO loh!

This is bcos msia jawi...is a medium of delivering malay language to us...just like our "rumi" or alphabet delivering the bahasa melayu to us mah....!!

In the case of " rumi or alphabet" it is very much more efficient & easier to learn & understand....thats why Utusan Melayu close down the last jawi malay newspaper in 1970 mah....!!

There is nothing jawi can provide that your rumi cannot do mah!

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:03 | Report Abuse

For your information Indonesia totally abandoned Jawi for Rumi much earlier than msia loh!

Posted by saydon > 2021-04-13 14:06 | Report Abuse

Learning something on own free will is fun. But why force other who are not interested? Most shit hole countries learned Arabs.

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 14:07 | Report Abuse

Yep, being able to read jawi does helps a lot in learning arabic, becos jawi is plainly speaking just arabic script

So, you can just plug in something like 'You are very beautiful' into 'google translate' for arabic, then you can say the arabic phrase for it or even whatsapp it to an arab woman who does not speak english but whom you like

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 14:09 | Report Abuse

If you are citizen of a country you need to follow what that country expects of you

This happens everywhere, in every country on earth

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 14:10 | Report Abuse

Even more so in a country ruled under communist aka socialist system

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:10 | Report Abuse

This malay politicians always promote something that is good for nothing for the feeling of syiok sendiri loh!

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:12 | Report Abuse

Thats why people with the right sense disagree with them if they force it on us loh!!

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 14:13 | Report Abuse

If it becomes govt policy then you need to follow

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:14 | Report Abuse

Thats why Mao tse tung now people do not like....Chinese people prefer Deng bcos it is progressive & do thing practical & efficently loh!!

Posted by FortuneBlooming > Apr 13, 2021 2:10 PM | Report Abuse

Even more so in a country ruled under communist aka socialist system

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 14:15 | Report Abuse

Or you wanna wait until chinese language is banned in schools perhaps

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 14:17 | Report Abuse

U see...alot of malay leaders always says mundur...mundur....thus they want to continue the NEP loh!!

But then they do silly thing like force jawi & force upon themselves....like that how to maju maju leh ??

Posted by stockraider > Apr 13, 2021 2:14 PM | Report Abuse X

Thats why Mao tse tung now people do not like....Chinese people prefer Deng bcos it is progressive & do thing practical & efficently loh!!

Posted by FortuneBlooming > Apr 13, 2021 2:10 PM | Report Abuse

Even more so in a country ruled under communist aka socialist system

Posted by Joe Ng > 2021-04-13 14:19 | Report Abuse

Lmao

Posted by Joe Ng > 2021-04-13 14:20 | Report Abuse

Ppl just dont see the real problem. If u are rich ,ppl will all swarm to learn ur language to do business with u. The Arabian monarchs speak queens english

Posted by Sslee > 2021-04-13 14:26 | Report Abuse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_alphabet#:~:text=Jawi%20was%20developed%20from%20the,used%20during%20Hindu%2DBuddhist%20era.

Jawi is based on the Arabic script, consisting the original 28 Arabic letters, and 6 additional letters constructed to fit the phonemes native to Malay but not found in Classical Arabic, which are (چ /t͡ʃ/, ڠ /ŋ/, ڤ /p/, ݢ /g/, ۏ /v/, and ڽ /ɲ/)

Jawi was developed from the advent of Islam in the Malay world, supplanting the earlier Brahmic scripts used during Hindu-Buddhist era. The oldest evidence of Jawi writing can be found on the 14th century Terengganu Inscription Stone, recorded in Classical Malay language that contains a mixture of Malay, Sanskrit and Arabic vocabularies. There are two competing theories on the origin of Jawi alphabet. Popular theory suggests that the system was developed and derived directly from the Arabic script, while scholars like R.O Windstedt suggest that it was developed through the influence of Perso-Arabic alphabet.[1]

The ensuing trade expansions and the spread of Islam to other areas of Southeast Asia from the 15th century, had brought Jawi alphabet beyond the traditional Malay-speaking world. Until 20th century, Jawi remained as the standard script of the Malay language. The use of Jawi heralded the birth of traditional Malay literature, when it was featured prominently in the royal correspondences, religious texts and literary publications. With the arrival of Western influence through colonization and education, Jawi was relegated to scripts for religious education, with the Malay language eventually adopting the Latin alphabet called Rumi in general usage.

Posted by saydon > 2021-04-13 14:27 | Report Abuse

pm is talking politic, jawi is just a weapon.

Posted by Sslee > 2021-04-13 14:45 | Report Abuse

Failed education! When these learning places are not manned by the right people, they produce shameless bullies, irrational thugs and sick-minded racist bigots.......and see school principals who fail to give these of their very products a good lesson and telling off, would instead bow down to the stupendous demands of the racist bigots.

And how a nation can head toward the right direction when kids ......got cheated ...learn cheat mode ... and learn cheating in a humanistically unethical, openly unjust and sinfully inequitable education system.......

In the 21st Century, still we hear some absolutely innocent children; totally rebellious adolescent and mature adults got forced and indoctrinated to choose delusion over rationalism.......faith over evidence........
Some states and countries continue to cheat their people by funding futile way of learning in this age of Google and Wikipedia - memorization, rote learning and scripture recital take priority over cultivating curiosity, creative and critical thinking.

These skills (cultivating curiosity, creative and critical thinking) help students learn, and so they are vital to success in school and beyond:

Children just need to learn Socratic Method of questioning (cultivate curiosity), Plato's Cave (the habit of thinking out-of-the-box) and Epicurean Paradox (systematic examination of factual claims). Teach them to use their own brain effectively, creatively and critically, so that they can adapt to the fast changing global technocratic landscape in order to survive independently; without anyone to keep telling them the list of 'dos' and 'don'ts' in adulthood.

CRITICAL THINKING

A critical thinker is able to deduce consequences from what he knows, and he knows how to make use of information to solve problems, and to seek relevant sources of information to inform himself without a busybody second or third party. Give a Man a Fish, and You Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man To Fish, and You Feed Him for a Lifetime!

Critical thinking is the ability to think clearly and rationally about what to do or what to believe. It includes the ability to engage in reflective and independent thinking. Someone with critical thinking skills is able to do the following:
1. Understand the logical connections between ideas
2. Identify, construct and evaluate arguments
3. Detect inconsistencies and common mistakes in reasoning
4. Solve problems systematically
5. Identify the relevance and importance of ideas
6. Reflect on the justification of one's own beliefs and values

Good critical thinking is the foundation of science and democracy. Science requires the critical use of reason in experimentation and theory confirmation. The proper functioning of a liberal democracy requires citizens who can think critically about social issues to inform their judgments about proper governance and to overcome biases and prejudice.

Critical thinking is a domain-general thinking skill. The ability to think clearly and rationally is important whatever we choose to do. If you work in education, research, finance, management or the legal profession, then critical thinking is obviously important. But critical thinking skills are not restricted to a particular subject area. Being able to think well and solve problems systematically is an asset for any career.

How does fundamentalism hamper critical thinking development, and hijack the course of sapiens' brain development? In moderation, religious and spiritual practices can be great for a person’s life and mental well-being. But religious fundamentalism—is almost has an opposite effect. This is primarily because fundamentalism which refers to the belief in the absolute authority of a religious text and ritual or leaders—and discourages progressive thinking about religion and social issues. Fundamentalist groups generally oppose anything that questions or challenges their beliefs or way of life. For this reason, they are often aggressive towards anyone who does not share their specific set of beliefs, and towards science, as these things are seen as existential threats to their entire worldview.

Posted by stockraider > 2021-04-13 15:01 | Report Abuse

Already failed so many time still want to come up with so much distraction ah ?

Posted by FortuneBlooming > 2021-04-13 15:15 | Report Abuse

No we did not copy bm from bi

standard form of bahasa melayu is believed to hv ultimately originated from jambi kingdom aka malayu kingdom, which might hv been the first base of the srivijaya kingdom, which gradually expanded into a federation encompassing several kingdoms in sumatra & malay peninsula, with the major political centre in palembang

srivijaya then allied with mataram-based sailendra in java

there was no 'indonesia' at the time

but different provincial or dialectical forms of bm were also spoken in malay peninsula, even in champa in today's central vietnam

we are all offspring of a common austronesian parent stock which includes borneoans & filipinos also