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Posted by wallstreetrookie > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

ISM Manufacturing numbers are bad but within expectations. Chinese supply chain recovery will probably bring inflation down by mid third quarter of 2022. Once inflation comes down, global CPI and headline inflation will plummet, bringing the global economy into a recession.

Commodity prices no longer move based on economic data. Crude oil together with vegetable oil (palm oil, rapeseed oil) prices go up due to geopolitical conflicts and political crisis (Russo-Ukrainian war). We are in the mid stage of a "commodity supercycle". A "commodity supercycle" usually lasts a decade, and we are merely 3 years into the cycle.

So, calling a significant drop in commodity prices is too EARLY and presumptious. You need to come up with better statistical models to forecast the prices with strict parameters and not just rely on economic data at this point. US recession probability in the next 12 months is inching towards ~approx. 45% and BoFA numbers are even higher. This will probably not be the case for Malaysia because inflation numbers are lower.

In essence, both of these scenarios are bad for the market. The best play right now is to hoard cash and allocate assets to fixed deposits and interest rate swaps (a bit too late to hedge). Commodity hedge arbitrage is very hard because the window of opportunity is getting tighter. Avoid anything until ISM Manufacturing index recovers and the next quantitative easing by Bank Negara (which will probably never happen for the next 5 years).

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Posted by Sslee > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

One of the biggest contributor of industry and agriculture output cost is energy and fertiliser cost. EU will fall into recession as their industries and agriculture cost will be very high for years to come if EU insist on cutting off cheap oil, gas, eletricity and fertiliser supply from Russia.

Posted by sherlockman > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Thank you for another insightful article with a good macro overview!

qqq3333

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Posted by qqq3333 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

comments are useless................................. anyone younger than 60 have not seen a recession.

Posted by positiontrader > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

skoh888 personal view

I am of the opinion that we will enter a recession phase soon but the good news is I believe that it will be a V type of recovery as the Federal Reserve has been very proactive and made this bold move to stamp out inflation quickly. The aggressive rate will no doubt hurt many business and man on the street but it is the best way to ensure that we crimp out all the excesses and tackle the issue quickly.

Stock markets tend to be forward looking and discount most events 6 months in advance. So if one believes that we will get a V recovery, the current weakness and perhaps a bit more weakness in the weeks and months ahead may serve as a good buying opportunity. For now asset allocation and risk management are the keys for survival in these uncertain times

My comment:
Accumulation now should be for wealthy Investors who have millions or billions to invest
But for retailer investors, this is not a best time to collect. Stay out of the market and save your bullets for cheaper price down the road.
Cheers :)

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

The Ukraine -Russian conflict triggered panic buying of commodities and prices were pushed to historical high.
Now that importers of commodities, palm oil, wheat and other soft commodities in particular have temporarily slowing down their purchases pending for the completed shipments and clearance of their inventories.
Once they are about to use up their stocks they will start buying again and cause another round of CPO price upsurge.

anthonytkh

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Posted by anthonytkh > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Well Skoh, you know my stance. Right?

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Thank you all your comments and views to make this article the most read for the weekend! Much appreciated! As for the stock markets, there will still be winners to be picked but from a bottom up approach. Stay safe and have a good week ahead !

Posted by Raymond Tiruchelvam > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

thanks for the enlightening write up skoh888... and to add recession is defined as 2 continous quarter decline in GDP. There has been no decline as such, and even if it starts in say july so we will actually know only by dec 2022. The world just go out of covid doldrums and therefore we cannot afford to get into a recession so soon. The hike in prices or so called inflation was brought about by high energy prices, stemming from no doubt russia ukraine war, but also demand picking up after covid. We shd be aware of this fact and therefore the so called inflation can partly be explained due to the increased demand. Anyone aiming to reduce inflation can only reduce the portion which is artificially induced by middle man etc but not the part which is fundamentally there due to demand rise after covid. Just my 2 cents.

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

@raymond...thanks for the comments. Yes you are right by definition we need to see 2 quarters of consecutive decline in GDP to confirm a recession. However by the time u get confirmation of the data the stock market would have already priced that in

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

So the real damage to the economy and stocks would have already taken place in the 2 quarters precedent to the confirmation of data and reacting to the confirmation of data may be too late

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Stock and commodity markets are about pricing in expectations of the future so we must use better matrix as traders and investors to stay ahead of the curve

speakup

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Posted by speakup > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

pump & dump mah
what goes up must come down mah

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

CPO futures is currently down 7% ..

DickyMe2

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Posted by DickyMe2 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Simpleton argument by just using coffee.
The author conveniently avoided the wastages government makes by bailing out useless companies. Providing discounts, scholarships and feeding entitled people from cradle to graveyard. Gigantic and comatose civil administration which is also cost. There are many leakages in the system.

Posted by sherlockman > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

A very well timed article. All commodities crashing, crude oil down 9% soyaoil down 7%! good call! saved al lot of money for those who sold their plantation stocks last 2 days

skoh888

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Posted by skoh888 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

@sherlockman....thanks;) yes I really do hope some people benefitted from the article

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Everything is falling, my portfolio is also crashing !!! What to do now ?

BILLC

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Posted by BILLC > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

To be precise,,,everything is rising except your portfolio and stock markets,,,,,hahaha,,,,

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

I got to cry n accept your writing. Pain is all around me !!!

DickyMe2

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Posted by DickyMe2 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Recovery is far away. Late 2024.
RIP.

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Posted by i3gambler > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

I believe big profit margin of any business will not last for long.
Same to loss making (price below of cost) also will not last long, unless we no longer need that product.

That was why when I evaluate plantation companies, I predict the price will soon converge to 10 years average (net of cost increment).



treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Commodity prices are repeated its cycle as usual and largely depending on FED actions and QE/QT.

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

I hope DickyMe2's prediction will not come true.

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Today, we got a veri painful day. Is it due to the OPR hike by BNM ?

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Mani other foreign mkts also kena teruk like ours.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Mana ala masa main silat ‘falling knives’. Koyang kaki tengok wayang cukup la.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Cheap money is crucial to initiate pumping activities especially commodity products. Waiting for another round of QE to boost the commodity prices… early 2024?

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

QT no got finished yet, oredi got coming QE again so veri fast meh ?

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Interest rate hike is used to discourage spending, the demand is basically unchanged. Quantity Easing would not likely be able to boost commodities prices, only increase in demand can. Another round of QE would possibly push down the interest rate instead and boosting the equaties market, it actually cannot help to build a healthier economy.

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Everything can be trace back to USA

reccesion risks 100% USA fault for messing with interest rate

inflation 100% USA fault for messing with CHINA export

USE interest rate to fight inflation?

INCREASE interest rate so that MADE-IN-CHINA will become cheaper ?

VTrade

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Posted by VTrade > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Comodity relate to resesion?

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Comodity relate to inflaktoin?

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

When buying power exceed supplies it cause inflation. Supplies may include goods and services for example commodities and transport. Increase in per capita income of a country is one of the main factors that cause inflation.
Just a bit of my sharing, I am learning from you guys too.

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Recession leads to business activities slowing down. Properties is likely the hardest hit, not soft commodities for example wheat, including our favourite roti chanai.
Just a bit of my sharing, I am learning from you guys too.

VTrade

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Posted by VTrade > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

US wakil kata kena ignore cpi data bulan 6
Itu data dulu zaman purba.
Minyak sekarang cheap cheaper

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