Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 08:07 | Report Abuse

Think rationally if you have a young child. The better choice is obvious

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 08:09 | Report Abuse

The list is inexhaustible:

5. Productivity & the meaning of excellent time management Vs time wasting with unnecessary repetitive length chanting, rituals and regurgitation of memorize medieval phrases

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 08:14 | Report Abuse

6. Polyglot with emphasis on useful language skills for borderless world vs languages that only good to land any child to be tongkat-and-dedak dependant for life

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 08:17 | Report Abuse

7. A neutral place of equal opportunity for every child to get promoted to top leadership positions in the school Vs heavily lopsided ethnocentric practices

Posted by DickyMe > 2023-08-25 09:22 | Report Abuse

DAP swine party is quiet as a church mouse on this religious module study in all schools.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 13:17 | Report Abuse

The fight is in the appeal court now, DM

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 13:20 | Report Abuse

The real test is whether the arbiters are progressive or conservative, broad-or-narrow minded, critical thinkers or fundamentalists!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 13:28 | Report Abuse

NO right minded parents will send their innocent young minded children to learn and grow up as myopic narrow-minded bigotry who indulge in open discrimination, deep down dishonesty, shameless manipulation and harbouring the belief that anyone else outgroup will go to h*LL

Posted by gohkimhock > 2023-08-25 13:30 | Report Abuse

What's wrong in learning an extra language? Don't be a frog under a coconut shell.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 13:32 | Report Abuse

It's all UP to the judges now

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 13:35 | Report Abuse

As proof of concept: whether all our paper mills and schools are only good in producing frogs with clutches under a coconut shell.

Posted by DickyMe > 2023-08-25 13:49 | Report Abuse

"Posted by gohkimhock > 17 minutes ago | Report Abuse

What's wrong in learning an extra language? Don't be a frog under a coconut shell."
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An example of a turd who does not know head or tail of the discussion.
Simply barges in like a starving dog and vomits it's nonsense.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 14:01 | Report Abuse

As a native tribe member in Sarawak, I genuinely (and have not problem to) admire the Chinese and Indian for defending to live as their unique selves any where they go. But I got no respect for those who turn their back & abandon their original roots and living values, and try to be copycat version of some distant past cult of distant nation(s). I have always teach all my children, grand children and great grand children this: "Born original, stay original. Do NOT live & die as copycat"

Posted by DickyMe > 2023-08-25 14:23 | Report Abuse

""Born original, stay original. "
Exactly my thought!
Don't cheat yourself!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 16:46 | Report Abuse

Yes, DM. Just like one's level of holiness should 100% be judged based on the skin deep inside, instead of anything superficial like inhygienic janggut, weather-inappropriate overdress clothing, etc

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 16:47 | Report Abuse

Else how children gotta learn common sense

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 17:28 | Report Abuse

8. Effective & genuine education that uphold Einsteinism of "Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school" vs defective fake budget-leaking education of rote memorisation of obsolete scriptures then proceed to live a corrupt life without the sense of righteousness, fairness and rational thinking

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 17:32 | Report Abuse

NO sensible parents will send their innocent young minded children to go through the suffering of such defective and fake education, and then end up with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in their gray matter for life

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 18:55 | Report Abuse

What are the differences in life values that children learn in these schools?

1. Fairness vs discrimination

9. Universalism vs fundamentalism

Posted by Cockcroach > 2023-08-25 20:34 | Report Abuse

I am a product of local Chinese school. My children are products of International school. My education in secondary was in the 80s. I am thankful that I know extra languages as opposed to my kids. I adviced them that in future no need to place them in international school . Perhaps local private is good enough.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 20:48 | Report Abuse

Better. My great grand children there got opportunity to choose to learn to play a new musical instrument every term. Versus the pathetic regressing national schools got poisoned and more overdosed with delusional mimes and lessons

Posted by Integrity. Intelligent. Industrious. 3iii (iiinvestsmart)$€£¥ > 2023-08-25 21:22 | Report Abuse

In my town, about 95% of students in government schools are Malays. With more non-Chinese choosing to study in Chinese schools, the Chinese schools are slightly more multi-cultural and multi-racial compared to the government schools.

A lot of debates on issues regarding government and Chinese schools. Yet, there is a huge proliferation of International schools in many big towns in Malaysia. These have not attracted much debates or controversies to date. Interesting indeed.

Those who attend Chinese vernacular schools and who are good, can master B.M., English and Chinese in that environment. These skills equip them very well for a better future, given the importance of China, US & English speaking allies and Indonesia in this region.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 21:55 | Report Abuse

"....the Chinese schools are slightly more multi-cultural and multi-racial compared to the government schools."

That's the real tug of war:

Pro-multiracial & pluralism on one side versus mono myopic pernicious on the other toxically deluded side with their endless playing victim of izlemophobia

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-25 22:35 | Report Abuse

The latter is pushing delusional agenda from obsession to overdose to toxic

Posted by chinaman > 2023-08-26 13:50 | Report Abuse

we need a subject touch on unique culture of all races in this world to inculcate better understanding and mutual respect. multi-cultural specialist, diplomatic?

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:03 | Report Abuse

My son finish his primary schooling in chinese school! We decided to transfer him to national secondary school because he complained he can't take the pressure!
Chinese school indeed tougher than national school! But then again, back then, national school was much more pleasant!
Subjects were lighter compare to today! Today, most national secondary students are going to burnout! And national school also becoming religious school!
As for vernacular school, it's also quite tough! Not easy! But compare to national school, it's better as religious element kept to minimum!

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:05 | Report Abuse

How about international school! Haix! I tell you, this LBGT thingy already been taught there!

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:06 | Report Abuse

my advise, better don't have children! The education system is messy left and right! Vernacular, national or international, all have now turn upside down!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-26 14:11 | Report Abuse

"...better understanding and mutual respect"

Yes, these are the keys to unity (unlike toxic racism and fanaticism - the causes for compartmentalization of the society)

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:17 | Report Abuse

Look at our current generation! Basically no understanding among races! Worse still, many current local chinese who gone through vernacular schooling their whole life can't communicate in bahasa! Strangely, many can speak minglish despite zero contact with whites!
So question is, how come local chinese can speak minglish but can't speak bahasa when they are surrounded by malays with zero presence of whites!

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:18 | Report Abuse

Posted by EngineeringProfit > Aug 26, 2023 2:11 PM | Report Abuse

"...better understanding and mutual respect"

Yes, these are the keys to unity (unlike toxic racism and fanaticism - the causes for compartmentalization of the society)

Answer : Do local chinese understand majority malays! Because even speaking bahasa is difficult!

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 14:30 | Report Abuse

Let's be frank! Our children have been divided among races since young! They grew up no knowing other races nor able to communicate with each other!
Malaysia today is so divided and polarized, we can't even say one Malaysia anymore! Gone are the days of multiracial harmony! Today each races are screaming and shouting been marginalized regardless if they are malays, chinese, bumi or indians!
The latest SPM result should send a nerve wrecking reality! 70% are falling! Meaning current new generation are much dumbass and most are burnout the moment they step out of secondary school!
If this continues, Malaysia will turn to Aghanistan for sure!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-26 14:53 | Report Abuse

"They grew up no knowing other races nor able to communicate with each other!"

Avoidance! That's what happens. Call it defensive kizlemophobia

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 15:01 | Report Abuse

Engineering! We can give thousands of excuses but reality on the ground is glaring! Especially now we are in malay resonance! Meaning we are witnessing malay Malaysia where other nons will have to adapt or migrant elsewhere!
As for vernacular schools, it's goner if PN gets 2/3 majority! Fortunately it's not possible since nons will not vote for PN! But it's pretty clear where Malaysia is heading!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-26 16:20 | Report Abuse

FB, it's understandable that parents of othe faith are concerned about their children being brainwashed to convert to something irreversible.

Avoidance is inevitable. Vernacular schools provide the necessary sanctuary for their children to stay away from such an unwanted influence.

And vice versa, those belong to that faith are vulnerable to be influenced by their more liberal thinking peers; and could develop doubt on their holy scripture.

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 16:40 | Report Abuse

Engineering! Clearly national schools are falling! With 70% failure rate of SPM, no brainer what kind of new generation Malaysia is producing!

Posted by FortuneBull777 > 2023-08-26 16:41 | Report Abuse

National schools are turning into religous schools! Worse still, school leavers are burnout and majority have no interest to pursue further studies! We are producing new malaysians who are not interested in learning! Instead we are producing malaysians who are inward!

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-26 16:47 | Report Abuse

They have figured out the solution for that i.e. lowering the critical subjects passing rate to 20%

And, yes, for the sake of meritocracy, the threshold for A to 50%!

Ever wonder why every of our hi tech consultation as well as engineering or tech-based project mainly outsourced.

Also the professionalism and competence of grads from local paper mills are as expected.

You'll hear falling hospital ceiling, fungal infested operation theatre, collapsing stadium and condominium, etc etc etc

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-26 16:52 | Report Abuse

Burnout yes....they are not wanted in the job market. Neither could they apply whatever they learn in the tertiary centres.

They are cursed by the public eternal impression that they are are never good enough to perform without clutches

Posted by icecool > 2023-08-26 17:02 | Report Abuse

the idea in malaysia's education system is quantity over quality ma

Posted by chinaman > 2023-08-26 20:03 | Report Abuse

comprehensive study of all worldwide race unique culture in a multi cultural, multi polar world will better equip citizens to become natural diplomats i/o just narrow study of a dominant race. and culture to win votes solely. Worldwide war and conflict due to failure to understand and observe the strength and sensitivities of other diverse cultures and embrace diversity.

Posted by DickyMe > 2023-08-26 20:50 | Report Abuse

"Posted by FortuneBull777 > 6 hours ago | Report Abuse
Answer : Do local chinese understand majority malays! Because even speaking bahasa is difficult!"
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What you mean speaking in Bahasa is difficult?
Don't talk cock and bull like the Malays do.

They want Chinese to speak like the Malay, that means the accent.
This is like asking a oinking swine to grunt like a buffalo.

Posted by The_JQuestion > 2023-08-27 00:26 | Report Abuse

i3 lurker t 20 also go national school .. go europe school no??

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-27 05:48 | Report Abuse

"With 70% failure rate of SPM, no brainer what kind of new generation Malaysia is producing!"

Fad fella has found the remedy. She is launching hadiff 40 by Syrian in the 12th century. Historically the world has witnessed what Syria has become after that phenomenal propaganda in their country over the next 800 years of its teaching

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-27 05:51 | Report Abuse

Now the nons must compel her to launch Benjamin Franklin 13 virtues for vernacular schools

Posted by Sslee > 2023-08-27 08:38 | Report Abuse

Myself, my wife and all my chikdren are graduate from Vernacular (Chinese) school. That did not stop us from learning and speaking well in Bahasa Malaysia and English.

What we like most from vernacular school is the dedicated teachers and the learning environment that emphasis on STEM and universal moral value of hardwork, self-determination, benevolence, filial piety, duty, responsibility, trustworthiness, righteousness and etc.

Today National school are almost all Malay as National school emphasis on religion (Islam) which scare away all the non muslim.

Vernacular school SJK(C) are actually more multiracial and multicultural as more non-chinese parent are sending their children to Vernacular school.

Posted by speakup > 2023-08-27 08:45 | Report Abuse

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/676985
PAS & PMX trying to out do each other in being more islamic

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-27 09:20 | Report Abuse

"Today National school are almost all Malay as National school emphasis on religion (Islam) which scare away all the non muslim."

Yes, Sslee. They got every reason to wary. As I have told you before pandemic, there was one incident that my great grandchild returned home and reported that her peers have frightened her that she would go to hell if she dies because she doesn't believe in the God that they believe.

How horrible! Yet, we cannot blame these naive kids. They really think what they say is the ultimate truth. We can only blame the adults for brainwashing them into such a monstrous creatures to outgroup

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-27 11:03 | Report Abuse

According to the Epicurus law of Paradox: More is less.

More religiosity could lead to lesser sense of spirituality

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2023-08-27 11:23 | Report Abuse

After all, something more open that step outside the boundaries to test ideas and opinions may be favoured by many parents who value the development of cognitive flexibility in their children