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The Ideal Retirement Plan: "Marry an old rich broad and wait for her to die."      - Ivan Wilson

 

After I published the first part of this article regarding the concern of his financial at retirement here.

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/82882.jsp

 

Someone posted an interesting comment below which also reflected my thought on it.

 

[Posted by chyokh > Sep 14, 2015 04:21 PM | Report Abuse http://cdn1.i3investor.com/cm/icon/trans16.gif

4.4 mil in assets at age 64 and still worrying. I have much less than you but I am already travelling round the world enjoying my retirement.]

 

A recent survey by global insurance group AIA revealed that the average amount middle-class Malaysians desire to have in their savings for when they retire comes to RM1.9 million. However, according to recent figures from the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), the approximately 70,000 active 54-year-old contributors have an average savings of just 167000 in 2013, below the recommended minimum savings level of RM196800. The situation is made more alarming by the revelation that 69 per cent of all EPF contributors of the same age have less than RM50000 in their accounts.

 

As the average Malaysian is expected to live until 75, retiring at 60 with RM167000 would mean surviving on just RM700 a month for the rest of their days or below the government’s poverty threshold figure of RM830 per month in peninsular Malaysia.

 

As long as one has a reasonable retirement saving, he needs not necessary to have millions of assets in order to lead a happy retirement life. The only caveat is he doesn’t ever get greedy and think of making millions speculating in the stock market with the use of other people’s money. Only through gambling, using margin finance in stock speculation included, can wipe out whatever one has and derails his retirement planning. It is good that nowadays there are no more vigorous promotion of this use of margin finance in i3investor now.

 

Most retirees are just hard working individuals working as an employee and few are involved in business. They do not have RM4.4m of assets acquired at retirement, with no debts, even for most professionals. Most of them work hard to put food on the table, buying a house, to bring up children and support their education up to tertiary level, many even send their children for the costly overseas education, and even help them out when they first starting work like first payment for their house and car. That is the culture of ours but not that of the western people. What is left for these retirees could be just a meagre sum barely enough for a no-frill retirement life.

 

Table 1 in the appendix shows a more realistic picture of the asset of a typical middle income retiree, John who has just retired at the age of 65.

 

Personal balance sheet of a middle income retiree

Table 1 in the appendix is the balance sheet of John, with a total asset of RM2.0m, and zero debt. It is always an excellent idea to get rid of all personal debts at retirement. The liquid assets, including EPF saving, is RM1m, and a house worth about RM1.0m. Figure 1 below shows the total asset distribution.

The pertinent question is, can this amount of retirement sum provide an inflation adjusted RM6000 a month expenses to last until 25 years later when the retiree, John, is at the age of 90? And if not, what lifestyle adjustment he has to make?

 

Financial planning at retirement

I have got all the money I’ll ever need if I die by four o’clock.”    Henry Youngman

Let us look at the cash flows which can be produced from the liquid assets of RM1.0m with asset allocation as shown in Figure 2 below.

Table 2 below shows the weighting of the liquid assets of John. The expected long-term return for each asset, which are all in fixed income, is also tabulated as shown.

Table 2: Assets and expected return

 

It is assumed that the EPF money is left at where it is as EPF provides a reasonable high after-tax and almost risk free return of 5.5% and John is drawing an annuity, a constant stream of cash flows from it for 25 years. The long-term return of fixed deposit is assumed to be 4% a year, and cash at 2%. With the present asset allocation, the weighted average return of the portfolio is at 4.6% as shown, barely beating the rate of inflation by a few tenths of a percentage. How long can this money last?

Figure 2 below shows the retirement sum can only sustain John for 13 years when he reaches the age 77. This clearly is inadequate as he wishes to have money to last until age 90, just before he dies.

 

 

John thinks of increasing his return from his assets. Since he already has a total of RM600000 in fixed income in EPF and cash, it may be better to withdraw all his fixed deposits of RM400000 upon maturity and re-allocate them into stocks to earn higher expected return to meet his financial goals as shown in Table 3 below.

Table 3: Asset re-allocation

The new asset allocation is okay as still 60% of the assets are in fixed income befitting his age profile. It is hopeful that with stocks, the return can be much higher such that the money John has with the higher return can last until he reaches the age of 90.

However, as shown in Table 3 above, the return of stocks has to be at a minimum of 18% a year in order to achieve a portfolio of return of 10.2% meeting his goal of RM6000 a month in today’s money such that the money is not depleted until age 90, 25 years later as shown in Figure 3 below.

 

The high expected CAGR of 18% for stocks, is possibly achievable as shown by the return of many super investors in the US using the value investing strategies in the link below.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/50988.jsp

However, this kind of achievement, besides requires a lot of skill, more information about the companies, more risks are entailed and plenty of luck must come in too. Hence, it is not dependable in a retirement planning, nor in any form of personal financial planning. In retirement planning, I would like to stick to a conservative long-term CAGR of 10%, or 12% the most.

With the stock expected return of 10%, the weighted average return of the portfolio is 7.0%. It can be shown that the liquid assets can only last until the age of 80, just another three years more. This still falls short by 10 years. This shows that John will have to fall back on his fixed asset, his mortgage-free house to fulfil his retirement financial needs.

In overseas, both a reverse mortgage and a home equity loan are commonly used options by home owners to tap into the equity in their home, to free up some equity. Here, John also can down size his house, i.e. he can sell off his present house which is too big and expensive now for both of them, and buy a smaller apartment unit, say for RM500000. He can also sell it and opt for renting when he has no more money left. The latter option is assumed here with an additional expense in rental rate of RM1500 a month at today’s money.

Figure 4 below shows with the above lifestyle adjustment, his fund is able to him till the age of 90 with the sale of his house 15 years down the road and opt for renting, or go to a rest home for the remaining 10 years.

 

 

A better option?

John and his wife like food, good but cheap food. They often travel to Ipoh to eat nice chicken rice, curry laksa, fish head curry and also nearby seaside town of Tanjung Tualang to get fabulous seafood. Ipoh also has a couple of nice golf courses which John likes; the Royal Perak and Meru Resort Golf Course. Houses are much cheaper than those in Petaling Jaya, where they are staying now. A nice single story house in a good area costs less than RM500000. They are seriously contemplating to sell off their house in Petaling Jaya and move to Ipoh for retirement. They can unlock a tidy additional sum of RM500000 for retirement. Besides other cost of living area also much lower than that in Petaling Jaya. Table 3 below shows his new asset allocation after doing that.

 

Table 3: Asset allocation by downsizing

 

With RM1.5m in liquid asset with an asset allocation again at 60%:40% in fixed income: equity, an assumption of 10% return for stocks, and hence a weighted average portfolio return of 6.4%, there appears to have no problem for John and his wife to live through their retirement with an inflation adjusted amount of RM6000 a month until age 90 as shown in Figure 5 below.

 

Even if the return of stocks falls short say to 8%, John would still have his house left as a cushion.

 

This moving to a small town may be a better option for many retirees. However, they have to take into consideration that their children, and grandchildren are mostly working and living in the Klang Valley. Their friends and relatives are also mostly there now and they have to start afresh to build up a circle of friends. It could be a big move and more thinking and fact finding are required before acting.

 

 

Retirement Annual Cash Flows

The above represents a simple retirement planning as there is limited information. However, retirement planning is fraught with important assumptions about many significant, unpredictable events, which can substantially impact cash flow calculations and results. There are simply too many scenarios and variables, both internal such as lifestyle choices, risk appetite and changes when get older; as well as external factors such as inflation, health care costs, variation of interest rate and market return, longevity, unexpected life events etc. That is why I like to do the retirement planning in an annual cash flows basis such that these variables can be adjusted easily at different stages as shown in the link below:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/49384.jsp

 

Conclusion

Not all retirees are so lucky to have abundant retirement saving and have no worry about retirement financially. Some still need to think about how to properly allocate their resources to make their retirement saving to work harder and earn a little higher return, without undue high risks, in order to last before they expire. Some may have to think about downsizing their houses, and leave for smaller towns to lead a new life.

We also have to bear in mind that to obtain a reasonable nominal return of 8%-10% a year for stocks for long period of 25 years, John is still required to have the knowledge and ability in investing with a sound, safe and prudent manner.

 

For those young people, it is best to start to build up long-term wealth from young to gain from the magic of compounding, the eighth wonder of the world.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/77460.jsp

For those retirees, as well as those young person who wish to build up long-term wealth and handle their personal finance better, who are keen to learn the art of value investing, wealth accumulation and preservation, or even unsure of their finance during retirement, please contact me at

ckc14training@gmail.com

 

K C Chong (CFP)

 

Appendix

 

Table 1: Net Worth

 

Discussions
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NOBY

I favor the bucket method of retirement planning popularized by Morningstar. With current inflation rate, it doesnt make sense to hold too much cash even in retirement. I would divide the retirement funds into 2 buckets. First bucket I ll put aside 5 years of expenses in mostly low risk liquid investments like FD or bonds. The rest of the money can be placed in higher risk investments such as equities. With the 5 years emergency fund in place I can afford to take more risk and need not stress about my equities underperforming in the short run or focus too much on income strategies. Now at the end of every year, I will rebalance my portfolio to replenish the first bucket while reinvesting the rest. I reckon that with this method, the retirement funds would not deplete but even have a lttle growth and even leave some behind at death.

2015-09-16 13:08

NOBY

Check this out
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYxpbalawA

2015-09-16 13:11

Bruce88

Good infor on retirement !

2015-09-16 13:16

bsngpg

I have an opinion that assumption on 8%-10% returns a year from stocks for long period is a stretched target for ordinary investors.

Substantiations:

1)http://www.temasekreview.com.sg/investor/total-shareholder-return.html

As at 31 March 2015, our(Tamasek) Singapore dollar one-year TSR was 19.20%. Our three-year TSR was 9.62% and our five-year TSR was 6.94%. Our 20-year TSR was 7%, versus the Singapore 20-year annualised core inflation of under 2%. TSR since our inception 41 years ago was 16%.

My opinion: An worldwide renowned elite group can achieve 5 yrs @6.94%, 20 yrs@7% and 41yrs@16%. As ordinary investors, I opine benchmarking 7% is a very outstanding target already.

2)http://www.thesimpledollar.com/where-does-7-come-from-when-it-comes-to-long-term-stock-returns/

“..Warren Buffett, who claims point-blank in this Bloomberg article that you should expect a 6-7% annual return in the stock market over the long term. “

My opinion: If the above info from web is correct, then as ordinary investors, we are doing very well already as expected by W. Buffet if we are in the region of 6-7% annual return.

2015-09-16 18:53

kcchongnz

Posted by ks55 > Sep 16, 2015 04:51 PM | Report Abuse

kcchongnz -- Very good write up for the retirees. I believe many will benefit from this write up.

What is your opinion regarding my asset allocation?
My properties yield [(4% x 3) - (4% x 1 for self use)].
My RMB dominated collectibles grow at 25% annually.
My ROI for share investment say 10% per year.
My yearly expenses say 60% of net income from liquid asset not including collectibles.
Using 1m as base unit, what is your comment?
# All the above was achieved very consistently for past years if not better.


Asset allocation is more of individual preference. What suits me may not suit you, and vice versa. For example, i do not like to invest in properties, nor collectibles, and you do. I invest in fixed income like FD, ASM, and you don't. Each of us has different personal risk profile. I have mine and you shouldn't follow me. But as long as your diversify into different asset with different liquidity and risk, I think it is generally ok.

2015-09-16 19:59

kcchongnz

Posted by bsngpg > Sep 16, 2015 06:53 PM | Report Abuse

My opinion: An worldwide renowned elite group can achieve 5 yrs @6.94%, 20 yrs@7% and 41yrs@16%. As ordinary investors, I opine benchmarking 7% is a very outstanding target already.


When you compare return, you should compare to the broad index, not a big investment company like Tamasik.

The long-term nominal return of most matured equity market has been around 10%-12% a year. If you can't get that, you are under-performing the market. The super investors of Graham and Dodd had made very long-term return of more than 20% a year, using the value investing strategies.

Of course most retail investors under-performed the market, even by very big margin, that is because most retail investors are not investing the right way, and they do not have the right mind set. But if one follows a proven investing strategy, and with the proper mind set, it is likely that he can over-perform the market.

Compare with a big elephant like Temasik with heavy burdens, small retail investors with the right investing strategy is likely to be able to do much better. Just like Berkshire Hathaway, it has done so well in the past because it was small then. It is so big now that it is very difficult for it to make 10% a year now.

2015-09-16 20:19

paperplane2

where to have happy retirement in Malaysia, with such lousy govt

2015-09-18 12:18

Icon8888

just out from jail ? how is curry rice ?

2015-09-18 12:22

Icon8888

behave yourself, otherwise admin will jail you again

learn to respect others

2015-09-18 12:26

Icon8888

ok lah, Coldrisks

give u face

2015-09-18 12:32

Icon8888

ha ha ha coldrisks, can you see ? mengamuk again

no need symphatise with him, if I don't attack him, he will attack me

2015-09-18 12:35

Icon8888

it is lunch time, enjoy your curry rice lah

see you

2015-09-18 12:36

Icon8888

That is assuming I have a wife, ha ha

2015-09-18 13:02

paperplane2

nolah, assuming you not a GAY

2015-09-18 14:14

paperplane2

you own i3 forum icon8888???

2015-09-18 16:59

Icon8888

Shuddup

2015-09-18 17:00

slater

Hi kcchong ,

A Good Day to you !

What is your views on your skpres ?

Their PE is above 20

Do they have good returns on capital like VS

Please advice

2015-09-20 18:24

kcchongnz

Posted by slater > Sep 20, 2015 06:24 PM | Report Abuse

Hi kcchong ,

A Good Day to you !

What is your views on your skpres ?

Their PE is above 20

Do they have good returns on capital like VS

Please advice


SKPResources's return on capital is definitely much better than V.S. V.S can't even get close.

It is just that whether the price is right. SKP Resources seems to have high earnings visibility. So PE of > 20 may not be expensive in view of its contracts secured and its future, and its high return on capital.

2015-09-21 19:29

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