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A 2016 Chinese New Year reflection: The ten “Don’ts” in stock investment kcchongnz

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Publish date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016, 01:43 PM
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Hello Mr KC Chong,

 

I have just started to follow your blog on i3investor and find your approach to analysing companies very structured and logical. 

 

I am very new in stock investing; just started last October. In fact, I only got into it after my father followed someone’s method. I also blindly followed; for a while my portfolio return was commendable but whatever gains have been wiped out due to heavy pressure on export-related stocks.

 

I therefore think there should be a better way.

 

Could you teach me how to analyse stocks like you do?

 

I am very willing to learn, I have started reading investment books by the gurus - just finished One Up on Wall Street by Peter Lynch, currently reading The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham.

 

Sir, I would be very honoured if you would be my mentor.

 

Thank you in advance and have a prosperous Chinese new year.

Commentator

 

Dear Commentator. A happy new year to you too. I am glad you like my approach in investing. This is not the only “right” approach though as you should be aware that many others have been successful using different approaches in investing.

The success in stock investing depends to a large extent on a successful logical, plausible and dependable strategy. There are also some behaviours to be avoided in order to have a better outcome in investing. Here I will suggest to you ten key “Don’ts” behaviours which are harmful to your investment returns you should be aware and steer clear of.

 

1.    Don’t use OPM

This is my “Golden Rule” and “First Commandment” in investing, especially for a young person and new investor in the stock market like you; never use Other People’s Money hopping to make exaggerated return from investing in the stock market.

 

I have written about this numerous times in the link below.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/44344.jsp

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/79429.jsp

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/82699.jsp

If you have bought those export themed stocks a month or two ago closed to their peak, which has lost an average of 20.8% in such a short time, and if you have borrowed 50% to invest, you would have lost about 42%, excluding the set-up fee and interest expense on your margin finance.

How much your portfolio will have to gain in order to break even? The answer is a whopping 70%. How many years do you think you can recoup that kind of losses? 5 years? 10 years? As a hint, the long-term return on the stock market in the matured economies, including that of Malaysia is about 8% to 10% a year. And hope that the value of your portfolio does not continue to drop resulting in force selling and total loss, or may be still owing more money to the bank.

In your case, it is lucky that you did not also follow to use of margin financing too as propagated. Most brokers and remisiers will encourage you to invest with margins. They will tell you that you stand the chance to make big money that way, but not telling you what if the market goes the other way. You see, they are doing something befitting the golden rule in investing;

Heads I win huge; tails I win too.”

The only thing is this “win” only applies to them, and not the investors in you.

Few, very few, none of that I truly known of has made a fortune using OPM. Instead, using OPM in investing has ruined millionaires and billionaires alike, including the most famous Jesse Livermore. 

In the most recent case of the Shanghai market just 8 months ago, the SSX Index has dropped by 45% in just 8 months.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/79429.jsp

How many speculators and punters in China have lost their fortune, and their life? Don’t let OPM ruin you.

Investing in the stock market itself is already risky, and using OPM to invest only amplify your risks and so it shouldn’t be done with borrowed money. Avoid it like a plague!

 

2.  Don’t have an investment plan

Venturing into investing without having a plan is like starting a voyage without a compass. You will end up in the wilderness and likely a loser. Before you start investing, you must have a personal investment plan or policy that include your goals and objectives, the risks that are relevant to your chosen investment style, the benchmarks for measuring your success (No, it should not be 100% return a year), and your plans to diversify your investment. Don’t make the mistake of climbing the ladder to investment success only to discover it is leaning against the wrong wall.

Just because a “guru” made his millions doing the “blah, blah, blah” strategy doesn’t mean it’s the right strategy for you as one size does not fit all.

I had a friend who has consulted me about his investment portfolio. Before I gave him my opinion, I have asked him a few questions to gauge his investment objectives and personal risk profile and was told that he just wanted to have a higher return than other alternative investments in the long run. However, looking at his portfolio, he was heavily leveraged with concentrated portfolio and with two thirds of the money belonging to the banks giving him the margin financing. His investment strategy was way off from his investing objective and personal risk profile.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/61822.jsp

I gave him my opinion that may be it would be best if he could sell down his shares and reduce the margin finance. He got angry with me and even talked bad about me in public, what the @#$%&*? I didn’t know if he could sleep soundly after the market dropped by another 10% from then on before recovering.

Having a plan will keep you focused and disciplined, and will help you adhere to a healthy long-term policy even when market conditions are unfavorable.

 

3.    Don’t invest in stock market in the short term

 

You are young and I believe you are investing to pay for some event down the road, like to build up wealth for your retirement, or setting up an education fund for your children which are decades away.

 

You plan for your retirement in the long run in 40 years, and hence do not react when the market has a bad month, like what you are feeling now.

 

But it's dangerous. While long-term financial plans benefit from compound growth, short-term reactions are cursed by emotions and randomness. Very few decisions made based on reactions to short-term market moves will help you achieve your long-term goals. The investor who ignores the noise and becomes blissfully unaware of what the market did yesterday may have a big advantage over those retail investors and the professional alike who watch every tick whole day on the computer.

 

Compounding interest is the eighth wonder of the world” Albert Einstein

 

4.    Don’t yearn for quick gains

This don’t is somewhat similar to the above. Most new investors enter into the market because they expect to start raking huge profits within a few days, weeks or months. This desperation leads them to take unnecessary risks and as a result, making many mistakes, which eventually lead them to huge losses.

You see, in investing, there are no quick gains, as profits accumulate over a long time. This could be more than 10, 20 years, or even longer.

Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grows. If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas.”    – Paul Samuelson

You Can’t Make A Baby In A Month By Getting 9 Women Pregnant”        Warren Buffett

Focus on the Downside, and Let the Upside Take Care of Itself.”  Mark Sellers

However, many investors, I consider them as traders, consider a 3 year investing horizon as a very long one.  So, if you are finding a means to get rich overnight, don’t consider investing.

 

5.    Don’t buy on tips, or placing excessive trust on “experts”

There are some people out there who are well intentioned, honest and sharing their limited knowledge with you and hoping that you will be successful in your investing experience, but take it that they are rare. In the real world, almost everyone has a conflict of interest with your wealth. The bottom line is your investment advice is coming from sources whose objectives are focused on their own wealth … not yours.

Don’t make the mistake of trusting and following tips from the experts who seem to carry some weights. You should always operate from the assumption that the investment advice you receive is tainted.

Buying shares on the strength of tips, or following the “experts” like what you and your father doing can be and often a recipe for disaster. You should have a better understanding of his method of investing if it is plausible, logical and sustainable under all circumstances before placing your hard-earned money in it.

Your tipster may be just a follower of another tipster and have no idea about the company he tips you on.

I believe those export stocks you have are not bad or even good stocks. But you have to do your own home work if they are selling at the right prices, something like what I have done here:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/90970.jsp

I have written here regarding speculating on hot stocks based on tips in the link below:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/59866.jsp

Always remember this axiom, “There ain’t no tooth fairy in the stock market”. The only person you can depend on in the success of your investing outcome is none other than you, only you.

 

6.   Don’t follow the crowd

If you do what everyone else does, you’ll get what everyone else gets, i.e. an average result. I have the haunch that the results are actually way below the average.

In fact, if you are looking for a proven formula for losing your money quickly, try following the crowd, like following the greater fool theory by chasing hot stocks, hypes and fads, higher and higher without understanding their fundamentals.

Herein lies one of the advantages of you being an individual investor. You don’t have to follow the crowd; learn some proven techniques and strategies in investing, and develop your own investing strategies.  This is far more likely to lead to success in investing in the future.

 

7.    Don’t neglect to do your homework 

This rule follows the previous rule to be wary of being blinded by “tips”.  Remember that it is the success of the business itself that is going to drive the share price in the long run.  Be sure to study and fully understand the underlying businesses of any share that you are considering buying, analyse if the business is a good business, and also if the price is reasonable, and better still, cheap. 

In this ln below, it is shown that doing your homework pays in investing in the stock market.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/89516.jsp

It is good to read the investing philosophies and methodologies of the true super investors in the world besides the Peter Lynch book on “One up Wall Street”, and the “Intelligent Investors” by Ben Graham that you have done. You are actually far ahead of many market players in Bursa. Here are some guides on who else and their writings and books you can follow:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/88007.jsp

It is great that you realize the importance of acquiring some proven philosophies and methodologies in investing, and wish to learn the nitty gritty of them. I believe, you have come to the right place, seriously.

If you have read “What has worked in investing”, a vigorous research on what methods have worked in investing over decades, you will understand what I am trying to convey to you. These philosophies and methodologies have worked for the long-term, all the time. I am actually surprised that they also worked well for me in the short-term as shown in the evidence in the link below:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/89516.jsp

Tis goeth down to a fundamental aspect that “An investment in knowledge pays the best interest”           - Benjamin Franklin

Yes, I sincerely believe this is a better way of investing for the long-term, in a less stressful way. Your “willing to learn” attitude, and knowing to learn the right stuff, will provide you with a much higher probability to be successful in investing in the future.

With this knowledge, I believe you would be able to sift myths from facts and not get carried away by other people’s opinions.

Yes, I am happy to teach you my philosophies and methodologies in investing which I have learned from the super investors above too. Teaching on how to fish in the jungle of investing, and not just throwing fish to you has become my passion now. Thanks for your decision of choosing me as your mentor.

 

8.   Don’t put all your eggs in one basket

"Diversification is protection against ignorance. It makes little sense if you know what you are doing." Warren Buffett.

 

But a lot of investors not named Warren Buffett don't know what they're doing, and Buffett's own Berkshire Hathaway controls 55 subsidiaries in industries ranging from underpants to private jets, newspapers to industrial chemicals.

 

 “Warren Buffet is happy owning a few stocks, and he is right if he is Warren.”      Walter Schloss
 

See what have the strengthening of Ringgit has done to the portfolio of all export-oriented stocks you have, and what it will do if the Ringgit continue to strengthen?

No, I am not saying Ringgit will continue to strengthen. I have no ability to predict that. I believe others can’t predict it with any level of confidence too. Often, recommendations to overweight certain market sectors based on macro-economic factor, like the strength of foreign exchange rate, are just guesses which are also likely to increase your risk in investing.

There are thousands of economists in this world, some of them are renounced economists but their opinions on macro-economic issues always split into half. So forget about any “expert” says about what the direction of the Ringgit will be. Otherwise if you put too much emphasis on the hope of the continuous strengthening of Ringgit, and hopefully the continuous rise of your export stocks; and if they don’t, your investment outcome will not be pretty.

I am not just plucking figures from the sky. All academic research has shown that there is no statistical significance that this macro-economic thingy can be correctly predicted, even by the renounced economists in the world.

So, diversify, some export stocks, some local consumption stocks of different industries, but do not over-diversify. A portfolio of five to ten shares is probably your best bet. 

I have written an article here deliberating that diversification is the only free lunch in investing in here:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/48946.jsp

Diversification "means that you're willing to exchange the opportunity of making a killing for the assurance of never getting killed."

 

9. Don’t “average down” when the price is falling, unless you are cock sure of what you are doing

“Averaging down” means adding to the holdings of a share that you already own, but at a reduced price.  On the face of it, this makes sense.  If you liked the share in the first place, then why not buy more when the price falls? The problem is that a falling share price could very well be the result some bigger events which we do not know about as a retail investor.  True, the market often over-reacts to bad news, but there is also the possibility that the market has got it right and we are wrong.

I personally have experienced this when I wrote about a stock pick on Coastal Contracts in the link below here when its share price was at RM3.27.

 http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/70035.jsp

It was the alert of a course participant which prevented me from average down when the share price continued to drop, and instead I cut loss at an early stage, though I still own a little now.

Don't forget that we can often be wrong in our analysis. When someone who had all the insider information about Xingquan, visited all its factories a few years ago, has a close relative audited its accounts, and yet completely wrong in his assessment about the companies; or someone who could just pick up the phone and talked to the very top management in Mudajaya, or JayaTiasa and yet made huge losses in investing in them, where do we as small retail investors, the Kuching kurat stand in this game in the jungle out there? Can’t we be wrong too?

But don’t worry too much. As long as we are prudent in our investment, do all the necessary risk management such as diversification, doing our homework, invest in good companies at cheap price, for the long-term, and avoid margin, our overall investing outcome should be okay. It has proven that.

The fundamental principle still applies; it is the future prospects of the company that will determine the share price in the long run.  Only if you are certain that the fundamentals are still intact should you average down. But if in doubt, avoid averaging down. Bad news could often be worse than the market anticipates.

 

10. Don’t Stick with clear losers

Many investors hang on to shares of which the companies’ businesses have not shown any proven record of success, or have been deteriorating unabated, stuck with the same poor and management of questionable integrity. In valuing these shares, I often find that they don’t even worth a sen, and clearly there is no chance of a turnover.

In this link below, I have deliberated what I mean above:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/89007.jsp

Investors of these stocks still hope that the shares would pick up again sometimes in the future. This is a very practical way to see your money melt down like a burning candle. Once fundamental analysis shows the company has no future, quickly jump off the leaky boat, rather than follow it down a bottomless pit.

 

Conclusions

By avoiding these don’ts and common mistakes in investing, you will have a high probability of meeting your investment goals and save yourself from lot of regrets in the future. Even though some of the tips given above may not make you an investment expert or providing you with outsized return in the short-term, they will keep your feet firm on the path to success in the world of investing in the long term.

That is exactly what investing should be, in my personal opinion.

A Happy Lunar New Year and a Happy Beggining to everybody.

 

KC

 

 

 

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PlsGiveBonus

11. Should be don't ever invest your money when the bad time is near

2016-02-09 22:55

PlsGiveBonus

12. Capital preservation is also an investing strategy, keep more cash to wait for raining days

2016-02-09 22:58

PlsGiveBonus

Shanghai market just 8 months ago, the SSX Index has dropped by 45% in just 8 months.
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/79429.jsp
How many speculators and punters in China have lost their fortune, and their life? Don’t let OPM ruin you.


Strongly agree with the observations and also it tell you why you should keep more cash, so far there isn't anyone else in klse loss their pant their loved one or their life yet. Klse is very strong it is hard to believe

2016-02-09 23:04

PlsGiveBonus

Not only Shanghai market, the global market are doing very very bad, all the market in this world is doing very very bad, klse is doing very very good

2016-02-09 23:07

PlsGiveBonus

EPF is doing a very job to defend klse
However I won't last long when EPF contribution will be cut by 3%

2016-02-09 23:14

PlsGiveBonus

EPF save a lot of innocent life
Must thank EPF for doing a good favor to everyone

2016-02-09 23:16

PlsGiveBonus

China life very cheap
One or two of them loss their pant would not save the market
Unless Shanghai drop 75%
Klse will then feel the heat

2016-02-10 00:17

PlsGiveBonus

If Shanghai can drop 75% I think another world war will be coming soon

2016-02-10 00:18

PlsGiveBonus

This world world is not about who has the biggest bomb

2016-02-10 00:26

PlsGiveBonus

Of course in the end of the war the casualty will still be the Asian

2016-02-10 00:28

PlsGiveBonus

Why it has to be Asian?
The history show China has been generous for too many times.
Asian could be the most generous creature in this universe
It didn't come by occasion.

2016-02-10 00:48

PlsGiveBonus

China only being generous to their boss
No mercy to their peers

2016-02-10 01:24

donfollowblindly

BIMB-WA recommended by KC Chong at 66 sen saying it is undervalued as in attached blog. Now 28.5 sen losing 56.82% in less than 2 years.
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/49210.jsp

2016-02-10 03:37

ckwan11d

I need to read this article a few times.

2016-02-10 10:34

Mat Cendana

#1 OPM - I agree with the general precaution here, about investors/speculators often not taking into full consideration the impact towards their account and capital when things move the other way. At the moment, I'm not using margin. But I feel it should also be considered as an option to be utilised on certain occasions. Despite the risks.

It's a bit like a credit card too - it's not the CC or margin that's the main problem, but the person using it. To me, it's always better when we have more choices. Having a CC or margin shouldn't mean we are using it all the time. When used properly, it can be a very useful tool. The more important thing to consider is in having a proper plan, including prudent capital management and the discipline to execute cut loss at a predetermined point. And also to take profit when the indicators say that the better thing to do.

2016-02-10 11:26

Mat Cendana

The part about not treating OPINIONS by analysts and so-called experts is worth remembering. Some people confidently declare ringgit, crude oil etc. will be such-and-such "for 2016", and therefore investing decisions must be based on these. These may actually come about. But we must remember they are all only GUESSING. No matter what models they use, with colourful charts lines and all that look convincing, it's a fact that NO ONE knows the future. One or two changes in the variables may lead to a totally different outcome.

Read and think about all of these opinions. But make your own conclusions and decisions, because it's your money at stake here. My general stance and strategy: since we don't know what will happen (in detail), the next best thing to do is to respond...to just follow the trend. And to always hedge when things are so volatile and unclear, as right now. Buy dividend-paying counters when they suffer a fall (and thereby getting higher dividend yield)...AND ALSO put warrant of FBMKLCI-H as insurance just in case. As always, timing is important. But it is indeed possible to get better prices for anything when we aren't hurried while being decisive. No guarantee we will succeed. But at least we have a plan.

2016-02-10 12:07

coolinvestor

Kc thank you for this insightful article. Happy CNY!

2016-02-10 12:21

WangMali

Many good articles to share from Mr KC Chong on 10 golden rules to Mr Koon on 'don't be greedy and fall in love too much with your stocks after they move up fast and a lot'. TQ

2016-02-10 22:05

kcchongnz

Posted by Mat Cendana > Feb 10, 2016 11:26 AM | Report Abuse

#1 OPM - I agree with the general precaution here, about investors/speculators often not taking into full consideration the impact towards their account and capital when things move the other way. At the moment, I'm not using margin. But I feel it should also be considered as an option to be utilised on certain occasions. Despite the risks.

It's a bit like a credit card too - it's not the CC or margin that's the main problem, but the person using it. To me, it's always better when we have more choices. Having a CC or margin shouldn't mean we are using it all the time. When used properly, it can be a very useful tool. The more important thing to consider is in having a proper plan, including prudent capital management and the discipline to execute cut loss at a predetermined point. And also to take profit when the indicators say that the better thing to do.


Mat Cendana,thanks for your comments. I always appreciate it. But I don't agree with you in this case that margin financing is like a credit card.

Credit card is a very useful thing for me for many reasons. Without it, it will be very inconvenient for me. It is a very useful tool for me. The most it costs me is its annual fee, RM50?

To set up a margin finance account for you to use if you need it involves substantial cost, 1%? You will be out of pocket of RM10000 upfront to set up a RM1m margin finance facility. Not sure if there is any maintenance fee.

Won't you use it after paying the upfront RM10000? If not, why would you set it up in the first place? Just for fun and pay the upfront fee?

That is what exactly this Mr Lee did in the link here:

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/61822.jsp

Mind you this is not a made-up story, but a true story. And Mr Lee is not a novice speculator, but a very experience investor who had used margin financing for all his investing life and would have used this facility "properly". Look how he controlled his margin finance in this account, and how has his this account fared?

Would you still be able to stand up with the performance of his this account?

2016-02-10 23:38

Shrekk

First advice to the newbies: Do not enter this dangerous place called the stock market without your accumulative reserves of 12 months'salary for emergency fund. Most of the newbies intentionally neglected and hesitantly adhere to this golden rule due to unevitable poise of being ahead of other people and quick rich mentality. I've to repeat again and again: 3 - 6 months' of emergency fund is not enough. You must have emergency fund of at least 12 months!

You are clearly not belong here without your savings of 12 months' reserves as you are indeed not ready for stock investment. Work harder, save as much of your money in any of good capital protected savings schemes and come back here later after accumulating your 12 months' reserves fund plus your excess investment capital. You are rest assured that you will be surprised when knowing that you are actually ahead of 90% of people in the stock market including the veterans who are having no reserves fund plus also suffering from negative returns.

Remember the keyword: 12 MONTHS. Otherwise, get lost from here and go to work.

2016-02-11 00:08

ganasai

ok lah newbies should know. if market so easy earn money, nobody work loh. anything u must practice, u must fall down, then u will become strong. just take as a lesson. nothing need to scare, just dont over confidence and big head.

2016-02-11 00:19

Probability

nice to hear advises pouring from the heart... Mat, Shrek n ganasai.

2016-02-11 00:32

moneySIFU

An article with true wisdom & honest words, I salute you from my heart, Mr Chong.

I made more than 70% return with monies invested in stocks within 6 months period, but those only counted for 30% cash I totally have. I feel happy but always stay alert with all the market developments.

Why I did not invest it all? Because I do not know when will be the market head south.

2016-02-11 02:09

moneySIFU

Sometimes we need newbies to take our stocks, or else who should we sell our stocks?

Everyone knows:

1. best unit trust fund in Malaysia can only earn 10%++ every year during good times (before real market crash)
2. Warren can only earn 20%++ over 40 years

Why many newbies still think they can win the crowd when they are indeed the chasing crowd?

2016-02-11 02:19

Mat Cendana

@Probability - That is why I follow posts by people like KC Chong. It's not just the individual posts but also the comments from others. The constructive ones, of course. When people share their knowledge and experience, and thoughtful opinions, everyone benefits. I had been involved on-off in Bursa Malaysia since the 80s. When it comes to information, opinions, constructive arguments and criticisms, we've never had it this good. No guarantees the individual would make a profit over any given time period, but his chances are way better than in previous years. It's thanks to sites like this and bloggers like KC Chong etc.

2016-02-11 12:11

regnig

i truly respect your experience and wisdom sharing mr.chong! gong hei fatt choy!

2016-02-11 14:14

Ntpboon

KC, 新年快乐!
谢谢分享!
这十“不”将成为我的座右铭。
这也是游览 i3 股市新手的新年礼物。
若能领悟,必有所获。

2016-02-11 14:56

kcchongnz

Posted by Ntpboon > Feb 11, 2016 02:56 PM | Report Abuse
KC, 新年快乐!
谢谢分享!
这十“不”将成为我的座右铭。
这也是游览 i3 股市新手的新年礼物。
若能领悟,必有所获。

Posted by regnig > Feb 11, 2016 02:14 PM | Report Abuse

i truly respect your experience and wisdom sharing mr.chong! gong hei fatt choy!



奇連伊士活 说, "「你令我很開心!」

「You make my day!」Clint Eastwood

2016-02-11 17:47

Icon8888

Kc 新年快乐

2016-02-11 17:53

kcchongnz

新年快乐 to you too, icon8888

2016-02-11 17:56

PlsGiveBonus

Very very dangerous to invest now
Anytime KLCI will collapse
Buy at your own risk at its best

2016-02-11 18:47

PlsGiveBonus

Everyone just want to earn a little peanut butter profit
And they will face this potentially life threatening loss
It simply doesn't worth the effort

2016-02-11 18:49

PlsGiveBonus

What is more worrying now is the food on the table,
I couldn't worry more than it

2016-02-11 18:52

Kevin Wong

""Anytime is a good time to invest, but anytime isn't a good time to trade"", remember this wise adage all you investors and traders out there. Good luck everybody!

2016-02-11 19:50

PlsGiveBonus

Good time to invest like what my banker told me to do so, but if you no have cash it isn't gonna good to invest anymore

2016-02-11 19:54

Kevin Wong

ya and most old hand in investing like me, are fully invested at all times since years even decades ago...we too have not much spare cash to invest, can only reshuffle our portfolio

2016-02-11 20:18

PlsGiveBonus

Fully invested and spare cash didn't mix well
It is contradict each other
However it is not necessary invest anytime is justified

2016-02-11 20:24

tnsduntalkokkk

china crash your head la.

2016-02-11 21:45

TeckChuan Lee

"It was the alert of a course participant which prevented me from average down when the share price continued to drop, and instead I cut loss at an early stage, though I still own a little now."

What was the trouble you found with coastal that made you sell most of your position?

2016-02-11 23:39

kcchongnz

Posted by TeckChuan Lee > Feb 11, 2016 11:39 PM | Report Abuse

"It was the alert of a course participant which prevented me from average down when the share price continued to drop, and instead I cut loss at an early stage, though I still own a little now."

What was the trouble you found with coastal that made you sell most of your position?


The heavy exposure on 2 jack-up rigs with heavy borrowings and the crash of oil price.

2016-02-11 23:50

Frank Soweto

another new year another great article from Kc :)
Maybe missing no 11 - donfollowblindly especially if you're extremely suwey ( bad luck )LOL but can also do with No 5 as a close replacement LOL
Anyway thanks KC n gong Xi Fa Cai to u :)
n also to my good buddy invest88 :)

2016-02-13 05:53

TeckChuan Lee

"The heavy exposure on 2 jack-up rigs with heavy borrowings and the crash of oil price."

KC can you point me to the exact report of this borrowing matter? I checked the latest balance sheet the debt/equity are ok? what am i missing here?
Also can you tell us what made you so bearish on O&G? are the capex of oil producers not going to go back to the level before? in the future?

2016-02-13 10:50

kcchongnz

Teck Chuan,

Coastal used to be in huge net cash position with minimal borrowings and hence low risk, and they were doing very well in their operating business in ship building. The latest report has shown it went into a net borrowing position. But I agree it is still not that bad in terms of total debt in relation to its total equity.

When it get into more exposure in the oil and gas sector, the plunge of oil price has affected all companies in this industry.

That caused the huge drop in the share price of those companies, including Coastal. That is just a reflection of the state of the O&G companies now.

Now,I don't predict the price of oil in the future, and the prospect of O&G companies. One thing I can say is in business, almost everything is cyclic. That implies oil price will definitely rise again, but I don't know when.

2016-02-13 11:13

TeckChuan Lee

thank you for the heads up

2016-02-13 11:15

Alphabeta

For your info TeckChuan, i am also looking at Coastal closely. I have make one round in early 2014. It rolling 4Q FCF has turn negative in 09/14. With the sale of one of its JUG, its should be in a better position to weather the O&G storm. Its current price looks quite attractive.

It has sold one of its Jack Up rig and waiting for delivery for the 2nd one in 4Q.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2015/04/22/coastal-contracts-clinches-rm807mil-rig-sale/

http://www.offshoreenergytoday.com/coastal-contracts-sells-jack-up-rig-to-avoid-market-downturn/

Due to the late delivery of the 1st Rig by the builder, Coastal file a notice of arbitration in Singapore seeking damages.

http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/141037/Coastal_Contracts_Unit_TML_Seeks_565M_in_Damages_from_2_Rig_Builders

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/4890525

2016-02-13 21:45

engeng

KC, heard tat u gv online FA training, can gv some info about that?

2016-02-14 15:23

kcchongnz

Posted by engeng > Feb 14, 2016 03:23 PM | Report Abuse
KC, heard tat u gv online FA training, can gv some info about that?

Please contact me at

ckc14training2@gmail.com

2016-02-14 16:40

Elwin Kai Kai

mr.kc i would like to ask whether u have a book? cause i really like ur valuabale methodology and skills in investing... if u do have one can let me know where i can get? i love to attend ur training but not very good using linkedln

2016-02-25 10:20

Elwin Kai Kai

the 2 book u recommended me, i have finish reading and still hunger for more... so if possible i really hope 2 have a step by step guide book and coaching directly from you...so i can follow through as i go through this unending learning process

2016-02-25 10:24

kcchongnz

Posted by Elwin Kai Kai > Feb 25, 2016 10:20 AM | Report Abuse

mr.kc i would like to ask whether u have a book? cause i really like ur valuabale methodology and skills in investing... if u do have one can let me know where i can get? i love to attend ur training but not very good using linkedln


I am still compiling my book. It is not an easy task. it takes a lot of time. I will let you guys know once it is done.

However, what is in the book will be more general. If you wish to learn in a structured manner, attending my course is definitely a better way.

2016-02-25 16:16

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