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SOS Will Warren Buffett buys Gadang?

Author: sosfinance   |   Publish date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015, 11:28 PM  


SURE OR NOT?

Na, it is too small for him.  Even if its profits double every 5 years.  It is too small.

At today's price of RM1.48, TTM PE 6.5x, ROE 14%, DY 2.7%, growth, guessing, double in 5 years? Or less?

A fund manager recommended Gadang, when it was about RM1.82, and forecast it to double in about 3 years if I remember it correctly.  After that, the price goes to as high as RM2.12, and after the oil price crashes, it went down to RM1.13 and now is RM1.48.

Warren Buffett did mentioned that, it is important that you know what will happen to the comapny in 3-5 years time, as far as the timing, let the market decide.  What he is trying to say is, as long as you are pretty sure it will double, plus minus one year, it is not important.

The fund manager goes on to promote this counter, saying it is a little IJM, which got my attention.

After going through it, I can see why.  One of the catalyst is the JV in development of Capital City, Johor.  This project will provide new contributions that will double its profits, similarly like Protasco having a 100ac of Kajang land to be developed over 10-15 years (minus the fraud, of course).

Gadang is into construction biz and now property development.  Not sure is the right time, right place or the right biz.  So, for those who are keen, it helps to investigate further whether the said development can really contribute.

 

SURE

I remember it has sufficient order book to last the Group the next 3-5 years.  So this is one of those few that caught my attention, good growth, high ROE (with property) and reasonable PE.  Let us hope they do not have any hanky panky like Protasco.  See you in 3 years.

 
 
 
 
 
 

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AyamTua realistically speaking, no. only folks like you and me.
03/03/2015 23:34
apini SOS, 

Let me make you words simple. The US Warren Buffet won't buy, but Malaysian situ like cold eye , uncle Z, icon , aping, dindong,.... had already bought a lot and still accumulating.
04/03/2015 00:34
Icon8888 Sifu apini bought a lot 

Welcome to Gadang !
04/03/2015 05:36
 

 

UPDATES in RED (26 November 2016)

1.  I mentioned one of the catalysts is Captial City.  Up to 31/8/16, was informed that only 12% of PBT was recognised in the books after discussions with Fund Manager, Analyst, and the senior management.  Still about 88% to go.  So, this catalyst is only 12% utilised. (Of course, there are a few new catalysts not going to mentione here - see earlier blogs)

2.  Not sure all the commentators sold when it reached RM2.90 (pre-bonus).  Congratulates to them, if they have sold after doubling their profits.

3.  At today's price, RM1.01 (post-bonus) or RM2.53 (pre-bonus) + a quarter of a free warrants (will be traded on 28/11/16)

4.  At RM2.53 (MCap of RM650m - with net cash of RM80m), based on consensus by analysts (use as reference, at times they are wrong), average next 3 years average profit per year is RM100m.  So, it is trading a PE of 6.5x.  

5.  I am not a forecaster nor a futune teller, each investor MUST invest based on the Group's ability to generate earnings (economic substance).  We do not make money based on past growth.

6.  Last but not least, I like to share one of my favourite Warren Buffett's quotes,

"Of the billionaires I have known, money just brings out the basic traits in them.  If they were jerks before they had money, they are simply jerks with a billion dollars."

 

UPDATES IN BLUE (29 November 2016)

1.  This remind me of AirAsia, when the Negative Research came out:

     Jan 2015           RM2.90  (Negative research report came out in Jan)

     Aug 2015          RM0.90  (took about 8 months to lose RM5.5 billion market cap)

     Aug 2016          RM3.20  (took 12 months to regain RM6.4 billion market cap)

     29 Nov 2016     RM2.67  (took 3 months to drop RM1.5 billion market cap)

2.  If we look at Gadang, it start to drop from

     24 Oct 2016      RM3.30  (market cap = RM850m)

     29 Nov 2016      RM2.38 (95 sen x 2.5) dropped 28% in one month  (market cap = RM610m)

     Dropped about RM240m (is it due to major negative impact to the income generators?)

     1)  because they did not smoothen the profit of FYE16Q4 and FYE17Q1?

     2)  did not get new infrastructure constracts? But they did get Kwasa Land development contract, RM700m isn't it?

     If we look at it rationally, item one does not improve the economic value of the company.  But item 2 does, however, not immediate. What is so different of getting a RM500m contract for infrastructure & a RM700m contract for property development in profit wise?  The major difference is timing.  The property development contract may be better margin than the Infrastructure (don't we agree).  Which one do you think can bring in more earnings? Is it that bad if the earnings comes from property sector. 

Nobody will be able to explain the price-action activity, but, if we look at the substance, there is not much change in the company, as far as income generator is concern.  Perhaps, this round property may contribute more, and FYE18, construction will contribute more.  When we look at IJM for the last 30 years, can we distinctly tell what really contribute to its bottom line (construction, property, infra, plantation, industrial)?  As long as overall, there is good growing trend, isn't it good enough as a Group when construction down, property may contribute more, when property down, construction will contribute more, or from infrastucture and plantation is gradually build up as a strong contributor.  Isn't it what Gadang is trying to do?  

It may be pointless to clarify this (at this point of time) as the sentiment (price-action) already overtake rationale investing.  Therefore, I bought some at 93 sen.  (Warren Buffet said it is the dumbest thing to do is to buy a stock (biz) because the share price is going up.)

 

     

 

 

 

 

 

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calvintaneng

No, Warren won't invest in Gadang.

Peter Lynch likes cyclical stocks.

For Gadang Peter Lynch would buy Gadang at 80 cts and sell all the way from Rm2.00 to Rm3.00

Then Peter Lynch will wait for Gadang to crash back to 80 cts before collecting again.

Peter would buy a cyclical stock over many years in its up and down cycles. Some stocks he bought and sold for 4 cycles.

This is how Peter's Magellan Fund at 39% beat Warren's 25% performance.

For now you must wait for Gadang to crash below 80 cts

2016-11-25 19:11

Flintstones

Sauce, you keep mentioning about your fund manager this your fund manager that and the capital city. Without an official source, it is hard for us to ascertain a value on the JV. Anyway, appreciate your effort in writing about Gadang. If I have a huge position in one company, I would do the same.

2016-11-25 19:23

RyanC

Exactly what I said. Wait for it to go back to 5 yr low 0.60

Now all those who hold die liao - follow Sifu from Holland.

Hahahahaha

2016-11-25 19:31

PlsGiveBonus

Warren Buffett is a coward

2016-11-25 20:39

Jay

it's better if the mgmt clarify how much have they recognised on capital city. gadang's profit for the past years have been supported by increasing property earnings when the property market is slowing down. so imo i find it quite hard to believe they only recognised 12%. gadang's own property arm is not that strong...

2016-11-28 15:19

sosfinance

Jay, if you are uncertain, why didn't you clarify with the CFO? Imagine, if you put in a big portion of your net worth, don't you want to know? People here keep on assuming this, assuming that, saying this saying that, isn't this info available with the management. If they refuse to give you, then, don't touch it, because this may be very critical to the income generator, don't you agree?

2016-11-29 18:14

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