Forget about EPF lah. They have got so many fund houses managing the funds for them. Different fund house got different ideas. It means nothing. EPF isn't making these trades internally...it's done by external fund managers.

Three ways to get listed on Main Market.

The most realistic way for ES Ceramics is via the Profit Test method:

- Uninterrupted profit after tax (“PAT”) of 3 - 5 full financial years (“FY”), with aggregate of at least RM20 million; and
- PAT of at least RM6 million for the most recent full FY

They are on track for another RM7mil++ PAT for this financial year. Aggregate sum of the past 3 FY should reach RM20mil, otherwise from within the past 5 years it will easily reach RM20mil.

Most likely the stock will get a bump once main market listing is actively pursued/announced, with likely a split to double the stock base to enhance liquidity.

http://www.smeinfo.com.my/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1148&Itemid=1156

Also, I know I read it somewhere that once they have maximized handformer margins, they are going to expand into chemicals and packaging. It was by the ED. Not sure if it was a news report or a annual/quarterly report.

This is the most recent news report (Oct 2016): http://themalaysianreserve.com/new/story/es-ceramics-aims-double-capex-rm10m-next-year

So far I'm using Maybank...it's OK lah. For full features requires Internet Explorer(!!). But in terms of fees and ease of use, no complaints. Mobile app should be improved though.

Jon Choivo, indeed I arrived at the same conclusion. Bought some lots at RM0.465 this morning.

Thing is, if you really do research into the company, it's clear that they have embarked on automation. That will see dramatic cost reduction by next year (they started in 2015, takes 3 years for results to show).

Sometimes Mr Market misprices securities, and this could be it.

Doing research into the rubber glove industry volume/output is definitely expected to get higher.

So, higher volume + lower costs + increasing market share = higher revenue and better profit margins.

Add to the fact that the company is serious about getting listed on Bursa Main Market by 2018, I think there are lots of upsides for this stock.

The trailing P/E ratio as it stands is at 12X, but the PEG ratio is where it is at! Trailing PEG ratio is at 0.48, which is great valuation!

Now question is, can NP growth of 25% be sustained? Probably not, but still just 10% YoY offers great value, not to mention dividends come into the picture going forward.

mamatede, it is, if you have a 9 month horizon at least. RM0.85 in the worst case scenario by then (barring any negative in the interim). Like I said, those who buy in >RM0.75, the stock is going nowhere in the near term. But if you bought <RM0.65, just hold it lah.

Don't know if this one simply orang main-main that's why naik, or there are some actual improvement in fundamentals. I bought in 2 weeks back at RM0.57, will be holding long term until or unless I see the company has no hope.

Guys come on lah. Don't be so immature. This is a public forum for knowledge/discussion. Take your pathetic darjah 2 jabs someplace else.

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AA doesn't seem to have much of a catalyst, price can only sustain upwards momentum if certain institutions are buying and supporting the stock. Lots of selling pressure as well as people look to take profit. This year AA will be all about the AAC disposal and also performance of its foreign airlines.

If oil prices drop, it still doesn't change Armada's charter rate. What it increases is the risk of contracts getting terminated, non-payment from clients, lower OSV utilization rates...and going forward, there will be a lack of new FPSO jobs to be given out.

It's a bit weird there is such a large movement today, nothing as a catalyst. So be careful of moments like this, we could be down tomorrow in all likelihood.

Btw Bumi Armada's "normalized" highest price is RM2.74. Don't forget there were splits and additional rights issues.

valuegrowth, come on lah. You can't be so naive, can you? Tony is a salesman, it's his job to sell, sometimes unreasonably so. Our job is to critically assess what he says.

Guys, not everything is a conspiracy lah. You think the heavyweights can so easily control such a liquid counter meh?

One thing is true is AA got lots of foreign shareholders - one of it's significant shareholder is Skagen AG, a Norwegian fund. But AA Malaysia at the moment is saturated, it will need its Indonesia, Philippines and especially India counterparts to help start delivering further growth.

Also, like someone mention above, AA P/E is very low, even if you take into account that 2016 was an extraordinary year. Not to mention a special ~RM0.30 dividend is quite possible. I think should be no issue to shoot up to RM3.50 in the next 3 or so months.

Alas, each of us have different goals and investment horizons. What's good for you may not apply to me, and vice versa.

Also worth looking the charts by Modec to see where Bumi Armada stands among the big boys as of end of June 2016. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj4ztH25b_SAhUCebwKHTdYBhsQFghPMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modec.com%2Fup_pdf%2F2016_half_analystpresentation_en.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHWCOJLmNiC2dxZ_Mw1-t3wT94wfw&sig2=PeAHBpK_YrBaX7Ai-R6gHg&bvm=bv.148747831,d.dGc

Worth looking through this guys: http://www.bumiarmada.com/App_File/Image/assets/Q4-2016_Briefing_28Feb.pdf

I think Bumi Armada might have difficulties going forward. Not going to be as rosy as some of us would hope. But hopefully they can come out of all this stronger.

They mention 4 large FPSO projects they are going after: Eni ZabaZaba, Hess TCTP, Prtrobras Sepia and ONGC 98/2.

It is super super crucial for Bumi Armada to get one of these projects.

Also, it seems they may get additional contribution from Armada TGT1 in Vietnam going forward. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:33PtkZ9wW60J:www.upstreamonline.com/live/1216415/vietnam-approves-te-giac-trang-plan+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-b

supermx2, there are investors, and then there are speculators/traders. I am the former. I invest based on fundamentals. I do see AirAsia reaching 20bil market cap within 2 years. Not a fan of penggoreng, and as far as goreng is concerned retail person lose out to heavyweight funds since they are the ones that control price movements.

Seems a bit undervalued relative to other airlines. Maybe should call Buffet to take a stake in AA! In all seriousness, I think the larger picture is still intact. Reaching RM20bil market cap by end of 2018 should be the target.

Armada lacks a near term catalyst, don't expect the price to move much. Price may trade between RM0.70 - RM0.75 till Q2 report come out in 6 mths time. Short term catalyst is announcement of first oil/gas in Madura. Medium term catalyst is first oil for Kraken.

Additional catalyst is if the company announces it has clinched a new contract. This can happen at any time. Another catalyst would be winning litigation suit against Woodside with regards to Claire.

Of course the above are all the potential upsides. What about downsides? Not much, but if Q1 report is still very badly in the red...then there may be issues. But I think the be all and end all of Bumi Armada is Q2 report...if it is still in red, then the company is officially bungkus and even the mighty Olombendo project will not sustain it.

gcke, I don't invest using technical indicators. I invest using fundamentals. What are you trying to say? That the stock will keep going down (i.e. bad time to buy)? Either way I don't care about short term losses, this one I will hold for a while.

Came in today at RM0.57! I do think there is lots of potential for upsides with Ikhmas (relative to its direct competitors on Bursa, Econpile and Pintaras). Will be pretty happy to see it hit RM0.75-RM0.80 during the year, backed by good profit growth.

Weng, don;t think that's an issue. After all it's already on the field.

Also, worth pointing out that Armada had to pay Enquest for the Kraken delay in Q4. So that contributed to some of the losses. I'm not sure how much of a penalty it was, and not sure if they have to pay in Q1 2017 as well or not.

Indeed, but I won't be surprised we got back to RM0.6xx tomorrow or sometime these next 2 weeks.

Shauns your calculation isn't really accurate. The contract value doesn't only include the time the FPSO is active, it also includes the 2-3 years before the FPSO is active (called conversion period). Bumi Armada was earning revenue while building Kraken/Olombendo/Karupan etc from the clients. Also operations take time to speed up...you can only assume they get full contribution from Q3 onwards, though positive is there from Q1 itself given Olombendo is up and running.

Now, I think Bumi Armada will still hit RM1 but it will be very hard to go much beyond that. Or at least I hope I am wrong. I am interested to know whether Armada Perkasa and Perdana are still contributing or not (for Q3 they stopped due to issue with clients).

Still, if Bumi Armada can land just ONE major contract (such as Petrobras Sepia, or a FLNG)...then we can see it reach the heights it was before with a market cap of RM14bil.

I truly am kicking myself! Last night I said I will set a buy order at RM0.65, but then decided better I wait till the morning to see where it will open. And the worst part is...I failed the wake up earlier! Work starts 9.30am, I wanted to be there by 9am :(

Kikster, seems like a foreign fund dumped money into the stock. Usually when you see a large spike it's a foreign fund, local funds will not spike it up as much. Foreign funds care less about short term pullbacks. So it must mean they're seeing something good here long-term.

Guys, can we please talk about the dual listing? When AA gets listed in HK or NY or where ever else, will it be the "same" entity as listed on Bursa? Meaning, will they share the same market cap and price? What are the benefits for us local AA investors when a dual listing is made?

PS: Do not confuse the dual listing with the ASEAN holding company. The ASEAN listing will come later, Tony has differentiated between the two.

Surprising no sale... :(

This is such a beauty! I have been saying Armada is overvalued at RM0.7x, so now it will go back to RM0.6x. But it's hard to say for sure, since UMW had a major impairment/loss of RM2billion (!!!) but they didn't even drop 1% today. Will comment further once I have read the annual report. Feel bad for those who bought at RM0.75, but if you are a long term person rather than a momentum buyer, you should still win out in the end.

How can be like this? The negative is in billions of ringgit man! Feel sorry for everyone holding the company. I don't think anyone could foresee such losses. Either way I think market will over react and share drop to 3.xx...at that point I may collect some.

Ekovest is probably overvalued at the moment and cutback is very likely. Of course if you are a long term investor just stay put, top up when the price falls. Long term this company will grow well and has great management. As for me I missed my boat at 2.38 at the start of the year, now I will wait till it gets to 0.98 before I buy.

So what's these warrant about? Why is it bad for Air Asia? If bald why they do it?

Only thing is, I am not sure what to think about the dual listing of AA in NYSE or HKSE. Unlike the guy above mention, I DO NOT believe this dual listing is for an ASEAN holding component. Rather, from my understanding it is a pure dual-listing.

In such a situation, what are the potential positive impact? Will a cross listing in a foreign market cause negative pressure on the local market stock price? Or will it be a positive? AA as it is has an extremely huge foreign holding.

Well, I bought a few lots at 2.67. Alas, I just want a 25% return within the next one year, and if things look good perhaps hold on longer. I think AA is a national pride and kinda think they could do something special in India (it's a crazy place there!). Also the listings in Indonesia and Philippines may be good. Not to mention the AAC special dividend of around RM0.30-RM0.40.

Please be careful guys to be swayed by the performance as the PBT includes RM13.77mil from revaluation of investment properties. It's still higher PBT than previous Qs but only marginally so as the number is inflated by this one off "profit". http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/5342757

It seems a bit dangerous though, revenue has fallen A LOT in the past 3 quarters, yet somehow in all three quarters their NP margin is between 100-200%. Seems very suspicious.

Like I said at RM0.75 the stock is overvalued for the moment. Fair value for now is only about RM0.60-RM0.62. I won't be surprised if the stock keeps going down. At <70 sen I will probably top up.

Warren Buffet has two interesting investing philosophies that I subscribe to:

1) Buy when the market is selling, sell when the market is buying

2) Buy stocks such that even if you were not able to look at their price movement for a full week you can still sleep well at night

Again, the above is for investors. Speculators and technical traders...ignore what I said. And even for those who are investors, you have to do your own research into the company/industry and have a feel for what the upsides and downsides are so that you can trust your decision and let the stock fluctuate around without worrying as it moves towards the target you had in mind.

Wow, pretty good performance. Kinda bummed up I didn't buy it when I could at 88 sen!

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Try it yourself n u will know

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What do you mean by the above? Is it a good or a bad point you're trying to make?

No, I mean are i3 counting the P/E ratio correctly? It seems pretty low. Research houses are quoting higher P/E ratios but I don't know how they arrive at those values.

Spinninglotus at RM0.65 confirm buy more lah. Just look at how much potential Armada has relative to its performance and earnings just 2-3 years ago! Currently the stock is maybe slightly overvalued, but Armada will pose quick recovery since 4 of its major projects are all coming on-line at roughly the same time, plus the rebounding oil prices relative to 2015-16. Add to the fact that Armada could earn one major contract this year and at least one minor one, plus settlement from Woodside...I think it's not crazy to think it will hit RM1 at some point towards the end of the year. Heck, if things go really well we could well see it hitting RM1.50, and I won't want to imagine what happens if it gets a really mega contract such as a FLNG.

Yan, when you consider all the additional share issues and stock splits etc and normalize them to the current levels, the peak valuation of the stock was at RM2.75...which is still rather substantial!

IamGoogle, I open the Q report but can't find any comment. Please help to guide me. I will appreciate anyone's guidance on this matter. :)

How to calculate P/E ratio for this? i3investor, Google Finance and Bloomberg all giving different EPS and P/E values.

i3vestor says P/E of 15.36

Bloomberg says P/E of 6.74 https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/KPG:MK

Google Finance says P/E of 13.44 https://www.google.com/finance?cid=176668968776770

Would appreciate some clarification folks!

Any reason why AA's P/E so low ah? Am I missing something?

Guys, so any news about the rights issue? When is/was the AGM? Seems undervalued to me, but what do I know. P/E will go even lower if it maintains this price when next quarter results are out.

Guys, come on, please. May I know why was the net profit for quarter ended June 2016 so abnormally high compared to previous and later quarters? Was there a one time profit being realised? What was the catalyst? I can't find any info on this. That may explain the relatively low P/E ratio if it is indeed something one off. Once that quarter drops off the EPS will also significantly fall leading to higher P/E ratio.

calvin, r u sure that Tuneprotect would be insuring the plane itself? Wouldn't that be the responsibility of a larger insurer?

May I know why was the net profit for quarter ended June 2016 so abnormally high? Was there a one time profit being realised? What was the catalyst? I can't find any info on this. That may explain the relatively low P/E ratio if it is indeed something one off. Once that quarter drops off the EPS will also significantly fall leading to higher P/E ratio.

Anyone knows how EPS is calculated by i3investor? Does seem to match up if you add up all the four most recent Quarters.

If goes below RM0.70, I will definitely top up more.

wen77, agree with you. I expect higher FPSO chartering income especially since in previous quarter they had written off income from APP (Armada Perkasa/Perdana). Research houses also written off contribution from APP. But with oil prices rebounded since Q3, I am confident we get APP to contribute once more.

I also think OSV and T&I could be marginally higher due to the rebounding oil prices corresponding to increased O&G activity, but I could be wrong here.

But, the only thing is, when does the Q4 report come out, and is it released in mornings or evenings?