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92 comment(s). Last comment by Jon Choivo 2018-08-28 20:38

soojinhou

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Posted by soojinhou > 2018-08-26 11:55 | Report Abuse

Jon, your article is very offensive because it suggests that people who espouse quarter to quarter strategy carries an ulterior motive to ensnare the investing public for self-benefit. Despite our different strategies, you may be surprised that actually I find most what you wrote agreeable, and most suited for passive investment, where one gets reasonably good return with minimum effort. Guess what general advice I dispense to people? If you do not have the time to monitor the stocks you buy, or the appetite for adventure, then you should not buy what I buy. You should instead follow KC Chong’s method of low risk steady return, similar to yours.

I’m an engineer by training. I make money by understanding things around me and try to use knowledge as a tool to gain superior returns. At the time of writing, I never fool people into believing things that are untrue. However, because macro environment changes quickly, there’s no telling how long a conducive business environment can last.

Sure I’ve written about stocks that went Holland. In fact, I recently got bitten by my first fraud case in my investment career. But then, I also had AEM that returned 1100% in 2 years. I made a tidy sum from O&G theme in 2012, furniture theme in 2014 as well as technology theme in 2016, all of which lasted at least a year before business environment turned sour. Not only for me, many i3 forumers too made good money employing short term thematic strategy.

Point is, in a high risk high reward quarter to quarter strategy, nobody can accurately predict what will come next. But that doesn’t mean promoters wrote what they wrote with the specific intention of ensnaring the gullible public. A homerun like AEM was achieved based on an understanding of their product and just 1 quarter of good result. Just as AEM was a magnificent call, I also lost money in ND Paper when I was slow to respond to China’s cutting waste paper import quota causing waste paper price to rise substantially. I don't blame other's, I blame myself for being slow to react.

The holier than thou attitude of yours is disgusting. None of us ever claim to be gods of fortune, we just share what we can piece together with whatever information we get to understand the complex world around us, and hopefully in the process make some money from our effort. Sometimes, when forecasts turns out the way we envisioned, the sky rained gold, sometimes, when forecasts turn awry, we get a river of blood. We take higher risks, and we demand higher returns, and most of us work diligently to see the road ahead before it becomes obvious and the stock re-rate.

Ultimately, I agree with your title. In the market, nobody is your friend. If you have no intention of putting in effort, then don’t buy volatile stocks. There’s always Public Bank for the uninitiated and uninterested. But that doesn’t mean those who dabble in them and write about them are evil who is trying to find the next victim. Your article is absolutely offensive and I’ve no intention of wasting any more time replying to you.

VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2018-08-26 11:58 | Report Abuse

Wow ! Hahaha
Long page ...
Interestingly

Koon Bee

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Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 12:00 | Report Abuse

I like soojinhou written. Soojinhou has said what I want to say & Soojinhou england also par with you same powerful.

3iii

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Posted by 3iii > 2018-08-26 12:03 | Report Abuse

>>>Posted by CharlesT > Aug 26, 2018 10:33 AM | Report Abuse

So far for those who tried to make use of i3 for biz...

1.Otb is still the most successful
2.Kc chong ok only
3.CPTeh used to be ok in the beginning but zero result in the last few years
4.Superkoon started as a god n now becomes dog
5.Bones kena SC tangkap

Many many tried their luck here but i dont see them now

Harry did quite well but he doesnt really comes to i3<<<


Lovely.

Who is Harry?

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 12:04 | Report Abuse

Harryteo or harryt30. Always do fb live one. A young chap from sabah/sarawak. Wife is phamacist

3iii

12,886 posts

Posted by 3iii > 2018-08-26 12:13 | Report Abuse

Thks

Up_down

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Posted by Up_down > 2018-08-26 12:17 | Report Abuse

Some people look short sighted or ignorant. They don’t know when and how to make use of the articles written by sifus. That’s most valuable resources in i3. The articles may or may not relevant at the time of writing but it certainly useful in future when the conditions is rightfully presented as most companies are cyclical in nature.

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2018-08-26 12:17 | Report Abuse

Posted by cheated_ > Aug 26, 2018 10:35 AM | Report Abuse
If HRC(OTB, KYY, Kc all promoted before) cannot reach RM 10(some even said RM 42) how to say promoters are friend?


KC promoted HRC? When, where?

If you got cheated,look at the mirror. That is the one responsible for it.

In the earlier years in i3investor, I wrote some articles on my analysis of companies to share with i3investors readers on the philosophy, methodologies, process of fundamental investing. Never have the intention to promote any stock. What for?

In this few years, I still write a lot of articles, but mostly were educational pieces on fundamental investing. I hardly write about any particular stock, unless I found it heavily promoted with some bad intention and practices such as margin finance to the public, and I didn't see the attraction of the company.

You may say I promote my investment course, which is true, but that is more of a social service to the public.

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 12:17 | Report Abuse

Harry greatest pick = frontkn around 26 - 28c. I curi curi follow him. Out around 75c. The rest of his other pick i didnt follow

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 12:33 | Report Abuse

These are some of the free tips earn me a few bungalow

Icon - Comcorp + sea cucumber/ AA / Supermx / HYC

Paper - Kesm / HYC / Dataprep

OTB - HYC / Lion / Mycon / Masteel

David - HYC

Leoting - Annjoo / Ssteel / Lion and his detail analysis in oil and gas influence me to bet big in Hibiscus

Harry - Frontkn

Kyy - HYC

Posted by Up_down > Aug 26, 2018 12:17 PM | Report Abuse

Some people look short sighted or ignorant. They don’t know when and how to make use of the articles written by sifus. That’s most valuable resources in i3. The articles may or may not relevant at the time of writing but it certainly useful in future when the conditions is rightfully presented as most companies are cyclical in nature.

calvintaneng

54,201 posts

Posted by calvintaneng > 2018-08-26 12:34 | Report Abuse

Whoa!

Today is a rest day!

Still so busy? Go read up www.chick.com

For bro Jonathan Choivo he is like a mirror

He is also like a torch light!

Everywhere he goes he shines & bring to light all the hidden agenda & misdeeds of people. Some real or some imagined.

Now so many are ruffled? Stirred in anger?

Don't!

Calm down calm down.

If you are not guilty then what he said won't affect you.

But what he said about you is true then better do a personal soul searching today.

BRAVO JON CHOIVO

ONE AGAINST A THOUSAND?

CALVIN GIVES YOU FULL SUPPORT

YES!!! DON'T BE AFRAID. SHOOT AND FIRE ALL YOUR AMMUNITION!!!

BABG!

BANG!!

BANG!!!

HOORAY!!!

Up_down

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Posted by Up_down > 2018-08-26 12:37 | Report Abuse

We see the opportunity for understanding more about the company or industry from the insight of articles. The article may be presented with unwarranted personal opinion or projections. If look from a wider perspective, normally it’s well supported with facts and conditions of the business at that time. I don’t think many would stay in i3 if those articles has vanished. We should appreciate sifus efforts and contributions.

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:40 | Report Abuse

Cool down everyone, I charge 4k only

apolloang

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Posted by apolloang > 2018-08-26 12:42 | Report Abuse

I charge for free,but only apply for needy person only not for crazy rich Asians....hehe

Alex™

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Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:44 | Report Abuse

Apollo bro, I'm a needy person... Haha

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:44 | Report Abuse

I need to put food on my family table, my aging dad, my brothers, my rental, my rm4. 50 pork mee, my rm5 mixed rice...

apolloang

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Posted by apolloang > 2018-08-26 12:46 | Report Abuse

u want how much? hahaha

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:48 | Report Abuse

I already got 100k,i just need stable growth of wealth... I will follow u closely haha... If win u get credit, if loss I swallow. I have posted near 10k post in i3 and you should know my character. Hehe...

Up_down

4,304 posts

Posted by Up_down > 2018-08-26 12:49 | Report Abuse

Ask the writer to shoot more......what good deed he is accumulating for he himself. Do you think he would get immune from what he has written from making a good decision in investing or trading? Lolz

apolloang

18,163 posts

Posted by apolloang > 2018-08-26 12:50 | Report Abuse

100k only cannot even buy a merc....hahaha

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:51 | Report Abuse

Dun laugh me la... I still drive mahathir iswara manual... Kolian lo

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:51 | Report Abuse

Amoi also duwan sit my car...

apolloang

18,163 posts

Posted by apolloang > 2018-08-26 12:52 | Report Abuse

ok,if I got good pick I let u know,u can sailang wif ur 100k to buy a merc or bmw.but not everyday I will sailang,once a blue moon only can do that like my MI.....hehe

apolloang

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Posted by apolloang > 2018-08-26 12:52 | Report Abuse

my car engine cos more than your car....hahaha

Koon Bee

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Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 12:53 | Report Abuse

100K already richer than TanEnd

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 12:54 | Report Abuse

Haha... Thx bro.. Many appreciate. Even no stock pick also can, just keep sharing your experience already help me alot.

Up_down

4,304 posts

Posted by Up_down > 2018-08-26 13:02 | Report Abuse

KB made so much money. I just earned a condo from HY and steels.

Posted by Koon Bee > Aug 26, 2018 12:33 PM | Report Abuse

These are some of the free tips earn me a few bungalow

Icon - Comcorp + sea cucumber/ AA / Supermx / HYC

Paper - Kesm / HYC / Dataprep

OTB - HYC / Lion / Mycon / Masteel

David - HYC

Leoting - Annjoo / Ssteel / Lion and his detail analysis in oil and gas influence me to bet big in Hibiscus

Harry - Frontkn

Kyy - HYC

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 13:06 | Report Abuse

Wait for my bungalow completed (now still under construction) then I will do open house and invite all those sifu and I cook Icon most favourite sea cucumber for u all ok

CharlesT

14,600 posts

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-08-26 13:17 | Report Abuse

Wah bro koon bee earned a few bungalow???

How i wish Jon dont bank in rm5k for his fengsui name by 1.30pm tmr so that i can use it for myself...

Anyway since i oredi offered him 48 hours to reply ytd hv to keep my promise..

Only wish that jon will spend his time to write more to hentam sifu sifu here so he will miss my offer...

CharlesT

14,600 posts

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-08-26 13:19 | Report Abuse

I always mention here bsides ta n fa n biz sense etc etc fengsui is much more important

If i m not mistaken koon bee is a poor hawker just like me not long ago before i gave him the name of koon bee...thats was barely 3 years ago...

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 13:20 | Report Abuse

Wah ah John... Lihai wor... U my sifu liao~

CharlesT

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Posted by CharlesT > 2018-08-26 13:20 | Report Abuse

What for selling tips to few waterfish here for rm5k? Can be rich ah? Can buy bungalow ah? Can change yr life ah?

Alex™

12,591 posts

Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 13:22 | Report Abuse

I have a friend selling me mlm. She said can change my life~~~~want join? Kiki

VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2018-08-26 13:23 | Report Abuse

I wonder is koonbee still char kuey tiaow for time killing ?
Or just enjoy by the seaside with his braised seacucumber soup .... ;)

Alex™

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Posted by Alex™ > 2018-08-26 13:24 | Report Abuse

Vensifu long time no see... Hehe...

Koon Bee

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Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 13:24 | Report Abuse

Yes CharlesT sifu...last time koon bee just a char kueh teow chinaapek now my kueh teow stall pass to my worker for free already. With koon bee good fengshui name + all those sifu free tips + i curi curi follow them...really huat like those crazy rich asia.

CharlesT

14,600 posts

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-08-26 13:25 | Report Abuse

I hope jon to miss my offer n then i just use the fengsui name myself...after i make money i will buy a bungalow next to koon bee

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 13:28 | Report Abuse

I curi curi tell u all, recently i also curo curi buy EG curi curi follow Ven sifu tips...i remember last time i curi curi follow Ven sifu JHM also huat. Hopes EG will be like JHM but I only curi buy abit because I dont really like KPK.

Koon Bee

5,187 posts

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-08-26 13:34 | Report Abuse

Cipak teh from keropok to tuisyen to cohort to cut loss to waterfall amd now averaging.

The source from insider, his keropok business earn him the most.

calvintaneng

54,201 posts

Posted by calvintaneng > 2018-08-26 13:49 |

Post removed.Why?

qqq3

13,202 posts

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-08-26 14:05 | Report Abuse

and kc

whether I 100k or 100 million, no difference because I feel a 100 million.....

qqq3

13,202 posts

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-08-26 16:05 | Report Abuse

tell you what.....

no more extremely low PE sector...after the 2008 crisis , have 10 years to recover ....steel the last of mohicans? various sectors have been pushed up and down already, some gets raped so badly, even years later cannot recover.

After the next results, two things can happen......the steel shares gets whacked up to average PEs...or more likely, it becomes obvious earnings are declining and outlook not good.....justifying both the trading prices and the low PEs.....

qqq3

13,202 posts

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-08-26 16:06 | Report Abuse

kc the professor got the business sense to comment or see it coming?

qqq3

13,202 posts

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-08-26 17:41 | Report Abuse

People like to quote Buffetology the Buffalo....

makes sense or not, NOW?

Buy and hold for eternity....at this stage?

In America, even if only 1 in 10 companies become national champions...the whole portfolio makes money...

In Malaysia, how?

Malaysia no capital gains tax, America got capital gains tax....many many other structural differences....Buffetology makes sense in Malaysia?

qqq3

13,202 posts

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-08-26 17:43 | Report Abuse

Look at Wall Street ...went to invest in emerging markets........................they make money or not?

if currency didn't kill them....other mistakes will kill them already....

value88

707 posts

Posted by value88 > 2018-08-26 21:37 | Report Abuse

SooJinHou, well said and good comments.
Pride is the root of all evil. There is no wisdom in pride.

TakeProfits

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Posted by TakeProfits > 2018-08-27 01:09 | Report Abuse

Wah Jon, you hantam cukup cukup yar, your points of view. Wah chan hai yah.
Enjoy Jon...

Jon Choivo

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Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-08-28 20:34 | Report Abuse

No, you get nothing guaranteed, beyond a pretty decent understanding of personal finance companies.

Alternatively, that person can go read up on the history of credit cards and personal finance since 1960, a couple books on psychology, and learn how to value financial institutions.

I think that is more worth it than to pay me RM5k. But if you big boss with big position in the company im talking about and lazy read, pay me, i'll tell you and give you a very well balanced and thought out answer

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CharlesT What for selling tips to few waterfish here for rm5k? Can be rich ah? Can buy bungalow ah? Can change yr life ah?
26/08/2018 13:20

Jon Choivo

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Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-08-28 20:38 | Report Abuse

Whipping up sentiment takes a long time.

Airasia sentiment took how long to whip up? You think just pure fundamentals? Hengyuan sentiment took how long to whip up? You telling me you still holding and waiting for PE10?

Trading that pop, is up to you. Maybe you're an angel and never traded that pop, but most people are not angels. And i doubt you didnt, because i sure would if i did.



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Icon8888 Don't be a two headed snake. You accused me of pump and dump "Icon8888, he buy already mah. After article, up few %, can trade that pop, easily few k d. If he can whip up the sentiment, easily few hundred k. "

Is Icon8888 a pump and dump or is he not ? Make up your mind, don't speak with both sides of your lips.

You are really getting out of control. See you Baby Jon.

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