Hedging protects an investor's portfolio from loss. However, hedging results in lower returns for investors. Therefore, hedging is not a strategy that should be used to make money but a strategy that should be used to protect against losing money
i3lurker, Do you know: Hengyuan realised derivatives loss for Q2 RM 438,758,000 and culmulative 6 months RM 870,964,000 all flow thro the P&L and yet HRC acheived H1 PAT of RM 714,941,000 and Operating profit before changes in working capital RM 939,171,000?
Only the unrealised derivatives loss did not flow thro the P&L because unrealised loss is non cash flow items.
The product prices during 2Q 2022 and YTD 2022 improved from an average price of USD75 per barrel and USD71 per barrel for the corresponding periods in 2021 to USD151 per barrel and USD133 per barrel respectively.
So HRC is not so charitable selling their products YTD 2022 at USD 133 per barrel and Q2 at USD 151 per barrel
The important thing is by Q4 if HRC cash flow can repay the RM 1.5 billion borrowing and the marked to market derivatives loss is negligible as on 31/12/2022 then most likely the HRC price uptrend can sustain for some time.
U see, u all engineers very panlai can do a lot of tedious n complicated calculations or profit projections chun chun on Q profit
I read book not much have to try my luck in this shares biz, predicting price movement so as to earn some humble meals (chicken rice etc), if luck is good lah
The important thing is by Q4 if HRC cash flow can repay the RM 1.5 billion borrowing and the marked to market derivatives loss is negligible as on 31/12/2022 then most likely the HRC price uptrend can sustain for some time.
Ya ya if only high diesel price becomes a new normal n stay for a long long time (so is Ukraine War) n HY can make EPS RM2 or RM3 every Q for a long long time
Pray 24 hours that it will not plunge like Mogas 92 or Tin or CPO etc etc etc etc
Let me have a start....I will go Genting today to try my luck...if I kena jackpot of Royal Caribbean today I will go next month. If next month I kena jackpot again I will believe high diesel price to stay forever n I will sialang in HY
Posted by CharlesT > Sep 11, 2022 10:22 AM | Report Abuse
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The important thing is by Q4 if HRC cash flow can repay the RM 1.5 billion borrowing and the marked to market derivatives loss is negligible as on 31/12/2022 then most likely the HRC price uptrend can sustain for some time.
Ya ya if only high diesel price becomes a new normal n stay for a long long time (so is Ukraine War) n HY can make EPS RM2 or RM3 for a long long time
Pray 24 hours that it will not plunge like Mogas 92 or Tin or CPO etc etc etc etc
Posted by BobAxelrod > 31 seconds ago | Report Abuse
And nobody's reading a word of his repeated posts anymore......
Frankly, I really admire his persistence.....but I doubt if anyone here read his post anymore...after posting hundred times (24 hours a day 7 days a week) here....
Maybe OTB will still give face to read lah I think
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Posted by CharlesT > 2022-09-11 09:23 | Report Abuse
Hedging protects an investor's portfolio from loss. However, hedging results in lower returns for investors. Therefore, hedging is not a strategy that should be used to make money but a strategy that should be used to protect against losing money