cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
So my question is what if cpo price continue to slide?
Kfima sliding revenue? This is what I got for Kfima's 12 years revenue. 12 years!!! Is it sliding? Or somebody simply shoot again?
"cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years"?
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 11:48 AM | Report Abuse X Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 11:04 AM | Report Abuse cbip offers much better return :D Sure or not, or just simply shoot? Show me the comparison of long-term return of both for comparison, total return and compounded annual return for 3 years, 4 years, 5 years. Can or not?
cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
"cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years" iafx
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 11:48 AM | Report Abuse X Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 11:04 AM | Report Abuse cbip offers much better return :D
Sure or not, or just simply shoot? Show me the comparison of long-term return of both for comparison, total return and compounded annual return for 3 years, 4 years, 5 years. Can or not?
well if you can't show the numbers to prove your point, allow me to show mine below:
Kfima 2.13 19/07/2013 Period 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 1 0.635 0.42 Return of stock 113.0% 235.4% 407.1% CAR 28.7% 35.3% 38.4%
CBIP 2.91 19/07/2013 Period 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 1.505 1.514 1.78 Return of stock 93.4% 92.2% 63.5% CAR 24.6% 17.7% 10.3%
si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai!! u modified other's comment to make up bogus cerita? aiyoyoo.... y do such bad thing? ok lah ok lah, kfima no.1, kfima fly to $10, if that make u a better person.
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 01:04 PM | Report Abuse si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai!! u modified other's comment to make up bogus cerita? aiyoyoo.... y do such bad thing? ok lah ok lah, kfima no.1, kfima fly to $10, if that make u a better person.
It is not a matter of whether Kfima or cbip no 1 or not. I own both stocks and I have given analysis and good comments for both stocks.It is saying something with facts and figures. Have you ever provide any facts and figures?
who si-tipu-pusing-roti-cani? we let others to judge.
Why did I apologize? I was con by this bugger. He deleted his original post and re-posted a new one!!! How I know? I copied and pasted his original post blow. See the "sliding revenue", not "profit".
Wow, the same person who called others si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai!!!!
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 12:49 PM | Report Abuse X
cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
steve, I disagree with you saying iafx is a con man. It is your fault to buy amprop on his recommendation. You must take charge of your own decision. Sorry, can't agree with you.
But from the above, deleted his original post and then re-posted a new one, and alleged that I si-tipu pusing, that shows bloody clear that he is not an honest person.
Beware of him as I knew you have been consulting him. He knows nothing about finance and investment.
Just keep a copy of of the amended copy here for record purpose. The original "revenue" has been amended with "profit". He then used this to say I si-tipu pusing. I was so stupid to apologize for it.
cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding profit and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
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Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 11:38 AM | Report Abuse
ipomember, excellent points! But who do you think I am? An analyst working for an investment bank? An investment officer of EPF? A fund manager?
I am a small time investor, working on my own, living thousands of miles from boleh land. What do you think I can do? Go to their office to check their business? Talk to the management and employee, their suppliers, clients etc about their business?
One thing for sure. If the business is good and run well, it is shown in the ROE, ROIC, cash flows etc. You can see if shareholder value is created each year through the grow in their equity and dividend payment.
New ESOS shares to be listed next Monday, will it drive the price down?
Instant Profit (RM2.10 - RM1.48) x 214,600 = RM310,800
WOW!!
Types of corporate proposal ESOS Details of corporate proposal Employees Share Option Scheme No. of shares issued under this corporate proposal 214,600 Issue price per share ($$) MYR 1.480 Par Value ($$) MYR 1.000 Latest issued and paid up share capital after the above corporate proposal in the following
Units 271,706,900 Currency MYR 271,706,900.000 Listing Date 22/07/2013
@ckh, the share holding changed announcement on bursa web the best place to learn about this. kfima so "good" v should not be seeing any shares disposal?!
my original comment is CLEARLY stated ABOVE all comments!! how to delete and still above kcchongnz's cmment?? kcchongnz is clearly once again pusing his cerita, anyone still wanna take her word seriously so be it
so call live in NZ? pui pui pui! one hell of sickening liar!
With ESOS price of RM1.48 vis-a-vis current price of around RM2.10, it is not surprising for ESOS holders to continue selling shares as cash is required to celebrate Hari Raya. However, selling pressure should taper off before the release of quarterly financial results coupled with dividend announcement next month.
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 08:12 PM | Report Abuse my original comment is CLEARLY stated ABOVE all comments!! how to delete and still above kcchongnz's cmment?? kcchongnz is clearly once again pusing his cerita, anyone still wanna take her word seriously so be it so call live in NZ? pui pui pui! one hell of sickening liar!
Where did I copy and paste your statement with "revenue" instead of "profit"? It was what you have written. I got the feeling that probably, I said probably, while I was writing my comments, you found something wrong in your statement and you corrected it. So no big deal. But I did not pusing. That was your original statement which you could have deleted.
But do I need to "pusing"? Whether you use "revenue" or "profit", there is no difference. I still provide the 12 year Kfima financial statements to prove whatever point I need to make. While do you have a single number to show how revenue or profit is sliding. Show some numbers to prove.
Similarly, you said cbip share price show better performance. I show you numbers clearly showing Kfima's share price performed much better for the 3, 4 and 5 years, with total return and also CAGR (if you know what it means). Can you show me any number to substantiate your point? None, absolutely none.
"so call live in NZ? pui pui pui! one hell of sickening liar!'
What a nice statement of yours! what kind of personality do you have? Got angry fight because I have exposed that you are proven a liar? too bad, you have shown your tail.
iafx (see I still use your name, not "her" like an uncivilized peoson does), let me show you something else which you are not able to do. Not sure you can understand or not, most probably not.
The following are the short-term and long-term returns of Kfima and cbip.
Kfima 2.13 19/07/2013 Period 2-week 6-month 1 year 2-year 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 2.10 2.02 2.26 1.85 1.00 0.64 0.42 Return of stock 1.4% 5.4% -5.8% 15.1% 113.0% 235.4% 407.1% CAR 45% 11.2% -5.8% 7.3% 28.7% 35.3% 38.4%
CBIP 2.91 19/07/2013 Period 2-week 6-month 1 year 2-year 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 2.66 2.73 2.74 1.99 1.51 1.51 1.78 Return of stock 9.4% 6.6% 6.2% 46.2% 93.4% 92.2% 63.5% CAR 933% 13.6% 6.2% 20.9% 24.6% 17.7% 10.3%
I have glance through KFima balance sheet, even last q earning down, but it is still traded at PE 10. Still worth to buy and hold, at least 2.3+ in near term.
Hey iafx, let me show you that you are a great liar. (sori ah the rest, I need to clear my name here. He called me si-roti-canai-pusing)
At 12.42pm yesterday, you posted that statement of Kfima's sliding "revenue" (See my post just below). I then posted a post at 12.49, showing Kfima's 12 years revenue and question you where is the sliding "revenue". But just a minute before that at 12.48pm, you posted a new post, and deleted the old one (which I have appended in my post), and changed the "revenue" to "profit".
It is just impossible for me to think and write the post in response to your new post in just one minute, even if I have seen your new post immediately. So it was a coincidence that the two posts, mine and your new one were written and posted simultaneously. So is it right to accuse me of pusing?
It was actually alright for you to admit that you have made an error in "revenue" instead of "profit" and changed your post. Absolutely nothing wrong. We all are human and human being always make mistakes. But you have chosen to accuse me of pusing.
What kind of a person are you? Yeah now I agreed with someone who called you a con man. Remember I defended you when he called you that name?
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 12:49 PM | Report Abuse X Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
So my question is what if cpo price continue to slide?
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:48 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding profit and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
nobody :D. but for the other one, original comment is CLEARLY stated ABOVE all comments!! how to delete and still above kcchongnz's cmment?? si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai copied and MODIFIED other's comment to show she is right. read for yourself above, she even CHANGED the time stamp in her copy to PUSING.
@anbz, comment started suggest cbip a better buy vs kfima during this period, as cbip has captured several good prjs, c for yourself in previous page. as usual, the ass bug followed so tight attacking any comment against her will.
yes... sure.. CBIP has more press right now and more analyst covering due to recent winning projects but why need to choose/switch between KFIMA or CBIP... both are good companies.. i m invested in both and I m sure KC is too...
anbz, you are a good friend of this iafx. Can you please read the posts ans see if your good friend calling me names like "her", "si-tipu-pusing", "pui, pui, pui", "sickening liar", "ass bug" etc are fair? Please, please.
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 20, 2013 12:33 PM | Report Abuse X
Hey iafx, let me show you that you are a great liar. (sori ah the rest, I need to clear my name here. He called me si-roti-canai-pusing)
At 12.42pm yesterday, you posted that statement of Kfima's sliding "revenue" (See my post just below). I then posted a post at 12.49, showing Kfima's 12 years revenue and question you where is the sliding "revenue". But just a minute before that at 12.48pm, you posted a new post, and deleted the old one (which I have appended in my post), and changed the "revenue" to "profit".
It is just impossible for me to think and write the post in response to your new post in just one minute, even if I have seen your new post immediately. So it was a coincidence that the two posts, mine and your new one were written and posted simultaneously. So is it right to accuse me of pusing?
It was actually alright for you to admit that you have made an error in "revenue" instead of "profit" and changed your post. Absolutely nothing wrong. We all are human and human being always make mistakes. But you have chosen to accuse me of pusing.
What kind of a person are you? Yeah now I agreed with someone who called you a con man. Remember I defended you when he called you that name?
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 12:49 PM | Report Abuse X Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
So my question is what if cpo price continue to slide?
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:48 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding profit and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
Posted by iafx > Jul 20, 2013 12:49 PM | Report Abuse nobody :D. but for the other one, original comment is CLEARLY stated ABOVE all comments!! how to delete and still above kcchongnz's cmment?? si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai copied and MODIFIED other's comment to show she is right. read for yourself above, she even CHANGED the time stamp in her copy to PUSING.
You deleted it and posted a new comment just one minute before me which I missed it. I even stupidly apologized thinking that I have said something wrong. But after reading through the postings again, I said "I got the feeling that probably, I said probably, while I was writing my comments, you found something wrong in your statement and you corrected it. So no big deal. But I did not pusing. That was your original statement which you could have deleted."
That looking at the times of postings, that is exactly what happened. So why are you still saying "si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai copied and MODIFIED other's comment to show she is right"? Why are you still using demeaning term like "ass bug"? What kind of person are you?
Of course what comes out from your mouth won't hurt me. Not at all. Not from you. Just to show what kind of person you are!
house, yes I make some money from CBIP. it is a great company. Thanks for your introduction of it to us some time ago, remember? One of the reasons I am always here is I am hoping to scout some good companies to invest through others. This i found it was very fruitful for me.
I have posted the long and short term returns of Kfima and CBIP as below:
Kfima 2.13 19/07/2013 Period 2-week 6-month 1 year 2-year 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 2.10 2.02 2.26 1.85 1.00 0.64 0.42 Return of stock 1.4% 5.4% -5.8% 15.1% 113.0% 235.4% 407.1% CAR 45% 11.2% -5.8% 7.3% 28.7% 35.3% 38.4%
CBIP 2.91 19/07/2013 Period 2-week 6-month 1 year 2-year 3 year 4 year 5 year Price 2.66 2.73 2.74 1.99 1.51 1.51 1.78 Return of stock 9.4% 6.6% 6.2% 46.2% 93.4% 92.2% 63.5% CAR 933% 13.6% 6.2% 20.9% 24.6% 17.7% 10.3%
Actually CBIP performs very well for the recent short term, out-performed Kfima easily. Of course the other guy won't be able to figure out the numbers. I doubt he can even comprehend the table i have computed. In the long term, Kfima performed much better.
But in investing, really, we must know that there is a company behind the stock. Hence we have to look at the business and operation efficiencies of the company. Not every time about its share price.
To the administrator of i3, I need your help desperately. Please help.
You see I saw the following post posted here a couple of days ago at 12.42pm as shown in the copied post.
[Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!]
You know I am heavily invested in Kumpulan Fima and the person above knows it. So I was scared to dead that Kfima's revenue was sliding, something which I was not aware of. So obviously I need some clarifications from the "one" posted the post. My response was as below:
[Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 12:49 PM | Report Abuse X [Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!]
So my question is what if cpo price continue to slide?
Kfima sliding revenue? This is what I got for Kfima's 12 years revenue. 12 years!!! Is it sliding? Or somebody simply shoot again? Year 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 Revenue 486524 470753 431884 411432 369070 308712 294477 300331 247121 223076 221136 187310]]
Note the time of my response was at 12.49pm, 7 minutes after the post posted by that "person". You know the time lag; not so coincidence that I could read "his" post immediately after he posted mah. And also it took time to write the post, you know. Note also I appended "his" post which the time showed 12.42pm?
But to my horror, I was shocked by the following post accusing me of doing "such bad thing to modify "his" post, "bogus cerita" and called me name,you know lah, that "si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai" thingy.
[ Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 01:04 PM | Report Abuse si-tipu-pusing-roti-canai!! u modified other's comment to make up bogus cerita? aiyoyoo.... y do such bad thing? ok lah ok lah, kfima no.1, kfima fly to $10, if that make u a better person.]
So I quickly apologize loh, you know lah, no good to pusing "his" post.
And he came with another post as below.
[Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 08:12 PM | Report Abuse my original comment is CLEARLY stated ABOVE all comments!! how to delete and still above kcchongnz's cmment?? kcchongnz is clearly once again pusing his cerita, anyone still wanna take her word seriously so be it so call live in NZ? pui pui pui! one hell of sickening liar!]
This time serious oh! See the word "her" "he" used on me (I got kukuchiw one you know), and the "pui, pui, pui" and the "sickening liar"! I very pantang of other people's saliva one. And I am not sick either, not that I know of myself.
So the help I need from you is how come when I copy and paste "his" original post, it was "revenue", and later it was "profit" as below.
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:48 PM | Report Abuse cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding profit and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
Of course I know myself I did not modify anything. Is there a ghost who changed those words.
And also as you notice my post was at 12.49pm (with an appended missing post with "revenue" which was at 12.42pm), while the second post, the one with "profit" of "his" was at 12.48pm, was there another ghost helping me to pusing his story so fast; reading "his" post immediately and wrote a response, all within one minute?
I3 administrator, please help. I already couldn't sleep last night because thinking about this ghost. I need you to help me to tell me if this ghost is still there. I also need your help to tell me if this "he", "his" belong to a ghost, or ghosts? If not forever I can't sleep already.
kcchongnz and all those that that had invested on this stock this is a fundamental stock, earning could be up or down, it depends on quarter to quarter, Kfima have a good management and had already gone through the 1997 crisis and the management i are very careful in spending, so have faith on your investment.
Yeah pradeep, i trust you. But i am very worried. Because there is ghost around. You know the ghost who deleted a 1242pm post 3 days ago and replaced it with a 12.48pm post.
You know about the 12.42pm post, the ghost claimed that Kfima's revenue is sliding, but when I checked, Kfima's revenue has been increasing every year since 2002! Even last year, its revenue still increased by 3%. So I posted a comment at 12.49pm arguing that Kfima's revenue is not sliding. But to my horror, there was this post posted by a ghost at 12.49pm, the same post as that of 12.42pm, but just a slight change of the "revenue" to "Profit", just one minute before my post.
Because of that, I kena kuat kuat from another ghost(?). He pui pui pui at me. Calling me names like sitpu-roticanai-pusing, sickening liar, ass bug, "her" (I got kukuchiew one) etc etc.
I was so diappointed about Kfima, not because of its performance, because Kfima having 30% of its revenue in palm oil, will sure suffer a little setback one from profit due to the low price of palm oil. Hack, Kfima's profit has been rising every year except a small droop last year. Eventually the profit will rise accordingly with the recovery of palm oil price. Don't you think so?
But because of it owning Kfima, and because I wanted to clarify that the revenue of Kfima is not sliding, I kena kuat kuat.
pradeep, because of that, do you think I should sell my Kfima?
kcchongnz i understand how and I note you are sincere aand at times people dont understand us or the value of our research, yes I agree with you there may be a set back on Kfima revenue but the dividend policy is intact, the management is good and not half past six and now days very difficult to find good company to invest let it be short term or long term, you can always write to me at sanghani58@hotmail.com or call me 012 6119153. You are talented and I value it.Take it easy brother and dont stress up.
Posted by tonylim > Jul 22, 2013 03:05 PM | Report Abuse kcchong, use your periscope, no rear mirror. You said it, dude
tonylim, let me ask you when you drive a car, don't you use your rear mirror? If the answer is negative, I have to give your a friendly warning. It is extremely dangerous when the road condition changes; when you have to overtake a slow moving car, the traffic light turns yellow before you stop abruptly, when an animal suddenly appear before you etc.
Do you use a periscope when you drive? I also have some advice here. Not much point using it to see too far away while driving. The far away road condition or hazards would not be the same as you approach them. It is better to concentrate using your windscreen, yeah also your rear mirrors.
Posted by pradeep > Jul 22, 2013 08:02 PM | Report Abuse kcchongnz i understand how and I note you are sincere aand at times people dont understand us or the value of our research, yes I agree with you there may be a set back on Kfima revenue but the dividend policy is intact, the management is good and not half past six and now days very difficult to find good company to invest let it be short term or long term, you can always write to me at sanghani58@hotmail.com or call me 012 6119153. You are talented and I value it.Take it easy brother and dont stress up.
pradeep, thanks for the understanding. Hope to meet you one day.
However, pradeep, sorry I have to argue with you too that there has not been a set back of Kfima's revenue as mentioned by you for the last twelve years as shown below:
But there was a slight drop in its profit just last year after so many years because of drop in palm oil price.
pradeep, this time I hope I don't see ghost again amending the word "revenue" to "profit", and then the serious scolding. You know lah, si-roti-canai-pusing, ass bug, pui pui pui, sickening liar etc. You know like you said, really stressed up man!
Oh yeah i3investor administrator, have you found the ghost yet I was talking about. Please let me know because I still couldn't sleep last night thinking about the ghost.
kcchong, jokes aside. We used to have a family friend whose husband died in a car accident in a small town in south island, while turning left to join the highway. luckily wife and 2 girls was safe.
Yeah I made quite some money from C4 and Cz after you alerted me about Bursa call warrants. It was actually luck so happen that the volatility of Bursa share price went up.
got rid of them already as I found the market maker not being fair in the market making, having very wide bid-asked spread. Still made good money because underlying share went up a lot. Haven't looked at them a few days already.
The danger is that when the dividend which is quite high is ex-dated, Bursa share will be corrected downwards. It will adversely affect the value of its call warrants.
I have cleared all, big money I must say. Using the forward view, With such market condition now or then, for bursa to hit RM8.80 is no problem. During the red shares euphoria it stood a high of around this range.
What to do no money to buy heavy weights just to wait it out, cw was the answer.
Any more to recommend? Maybe look at IJM cw, will you?
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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-07-19 12:49 | Report Abuse
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 12:42 PM | Report Abuse
cbip share price is weak now, this is a good chance to switch (or split) before cpo price rebound, what would be the price of cbip vs kfima when cpo finally up? cbip stands better chance to payout more div compare to kfima sliding revenue and do nothing cash, cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years. yr $ yr choice!
So my question is what if cpo price continue to slide?
Kfima sliding revenue? This is what I got for Kfima's 12 years revenue. 12 years!!! Is it sliding? Or somebody simply shoot again?
Year 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
Revenue 486524 470753 431884 411432 369070 308712 294477 300331 247121 223076 221136 187310
"cbip share price gained proven far better than kfima over the years"?
Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 19, 2013 11:48 AM | Report Abuse X
Posted by iafx > Jul 19, 2013 11:04 AM | Report Abuse
cbip offers much better return :D
Sure or not, or just simply shoot?
Show me the comparison of long-term return of both for comparison, total return and compounded annual return for 3 years, 4 years, 5 years.
Can or not?