Posted by YusufM > 2023-11-05 16:05 | Report Abuse

this MacDee34 in only active when somebody pays him. let us figure out who actually paid him.

Posted by YusufM > 2023-11-05 16:13 | Report Abuse

MacDee34 posts many that are slander without any basis. Let us report this guy out.

Posted by KW L > 2023-11-05 16:56 | Report Abuse

No idea who is correct. Very confusing.

Posted by KW L > 2023-11-05 16:58 | Report Abuse

Look like MacD is the creditor who is angry for his unpaid debts.

Posted by MacDee34 > 2023-11-05 17:53 | Report Abuse

Trolls trolls and new trolls... please welcome todays new troll:

YusufM | Joined since 2023-11-05

it is always an interest to see how Tunku Yaacob, Ravi, and the respective Trolls try to twist the truth away from even the High Court Judge ruling.
Kindly ignore whatever these trolls have to say. these accounts were set the moment that the EGM to try to kick out Tunku Yaacob and his yes-men was noticed:

OtisKL | Joined since 2023-09-08
doubleup | Joined since 2023-09-07
Adagold | Joined since 2023-09-05
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Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-05 18:20 | Report Abuse

McD, people like you only know how to grumble and whine, not helping to build the company. There are so many avenues to give constructive suggestions. You can write a memorandum to the board, highlighting the weaknesses and recommendations for improvements. For once, your comments above was making sense, and about to agree, BUT your nonsensical attitude 🙄 I am giving one final reminder, I am NO TROLL OF ANY OF YOUR FANCY LOVERS, so kindly stop linking me using your wild imagination. Thank you.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-05 19:54 | Report Abuse

For case study reference only - when a parent company in financial distress, a financially stable subsidiary could be floated in the market and subsequently issuing bonds to raise more capital for the group. Example, the Renong Group during 1997 - 2000 Asian financial crisis, " the Renong CDRC (corporate debt restructuring commitee) expressed confidence in extracting significant value from Renong's asset portfolio over the following years. The proposed scheme ultimately resolved Renong's debt through the issuance of RM8.4 billion bonds by PLUS in September 1999, receiving a favorable A3 rating from RAM Ratings. These factors, according to Tan Sri Halim Saad, indicate that PLUS was not in financial distress. The CDRC's approach demonstrated that with prudent management, even significant debt levels could be navigated successfully.

What lesson does it teach us? Can we apply similar strategies into KNM, like listing Borsig into SGX? One concern that needs to be addressed is McD's claim of Borsig having business in Iran, which may be a stumbling block.

Posted by YusufM > 2023-11-05 22:22 | Report Abuse

Come on guys. lets report MacDee34 post. we do not need lies post here.

Posted by Nch21396 > 2023-11-05 22:35 | Report Abuse

Yes! Conman won’t last ya!

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-05 22:48 | Report Abuse

@i3lurker how come you didn't bank in the payment this month? You are paying me right?

Posted by SGX6138 > 2023-11-05 22:52 | Report Abuse

KWL,
Yes, Mc Donald is an angry man. But he is not creditor. He is former management guy removed by Tunku. That's why he mengamok. Everyone can see he's lying and trying to twist his way out of a difficult situation. He got no choice but to blacklist all newcomers to the chat. Poor guy Mr Yusuf just joined kena also. Too bad we all blacklisted guys have to go Mc Donald's to have a party and eat value meal because nobody paying us to troll. We just posting facts and hoping Tunku and his team will save the company. Poor guy OtisKL trying to do research also kena.

Macadee is out of the company too long. He doesn't know that Borsig has not done Iran job for two years. And the last job taken will be completed latest in one of two months time.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-05 22:59 | Report Abuse

Guys, McD's perception is that whoever thinks and comments opposite of his comments are called trolls. He is robot and we are AI... Hahaha. Go read his comments for years, the same old trending. But one thing, he had spoken some good points along the line, however, his investigative syndrome makes the company directors as villains plotting to swindle. Although some of those references made could be true but he generalised to everyone else. There are properly run calibre Malaysians that deserved credits lar sayang... everyone has their own opinions and differences, to that extent I do respect McD's comments, but please don't do character assassination, it's has grave consequences...

Posted by SGX6138 > 2023-11-05 23:01 | Report Abuse

Tan will have no choice but to stand up like a man and defend himself in the court on CBT charges.

There is no point hiding because the company will advertise soon. It will be more embarrassing.

It's the usual story of a stray dog biting the hand that fed it. He was taken in by the founder Lee and promoted to a high post, despite objections from many colleagues. Lee later found out to his horror that his colleagues were right. Tan turned around and ousted the Lee family. He never imagine Tunku would arrive at the scene to set things right...

Posted by Selena Yeoh > 2023-11-05 23:20 | Report Abuse

Hi friends!
Wow! This is a busy forum with many stories. I want to comment but takut after McDonald blacklist me. Because I also new account very dangerous.

So I better keep quiet and watch the show.😀

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-05 23:27 | Report Abuse

@SelenaYeoh, join the club, can get free McD vouchers for value meals... 😅😂🤣 or French fries 🍟 🤔 😋

Posted by Jonathan Keung > 2023-11-06 09:06 | Report Abuse

The reappointment of Ho to the board after he is voted out at the EGM is bad. The Board decision is questionable ! Read the High Court judge reason to reject KNM to extend the restraining order is an eye opener. With the High Court recent ruling. listing of Borsig is now in doubt ?

Posted by Plantermen > 2023-11-06 09:55 | Report Abuse

The High Court restraining order on KNM creditor's is removed. Bad for KNM based on current financial scenario. Just my personal take

Posted by KW L > 2023-11-06 12:38 | Report Abuse

Where can I read the court judgement in rejecting the extension of RO? Every now and then got people ask to read this read that but where to read?

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-06 12:51 | Report Abuse

@KWL, if you have a lawyer friend who will have access to the high court judgements portal, I am sure he has access to their portal. Give him the case reference number to retrieve the judgement. Or go to www.elaw.my but its EXPENSIVE to enroll unless you are studying or practising law.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-06 13:11 | Report Abuse

@Plantermen, you are indeed correct, it's not a good sign when an application of any sort is duly rejected by the courts of any nature, in KNM case, its RO and SOA. Nevertheless, KNM has been having difficulties in the past 36 months or more, based on its historically published data. If any creditor is filing a suit, it can happen anytime prior to that. Suppliers are business people too, perhaps, they will impose even stricter credit terms if they want to do business with the company. The company needs to revive itself from its cash flow issue first, but by taking a lot of internal controls to keep costs down and find fresh money with new businesses injected into the company, that's the only way to go up. Miracles in O&G service sector don't happen, except if you are drilling for oil, perhaps yes.... or unless the government bails the company out due to national interests.

Posted by Aati99 > 2023-11-06 17:08 | Report Abuse

rupa-rupanya KNM jatuh kebelakangan ni ...

Posted by YusufM > 2023-11-06 19:22 | Report Abuse

Come on guys. let us report some more MacDee34 posts. Let's permabanned him. I think he did get banned before by the admin. That's why he stopped spreading fake news few month before.

Posted by ragrag > 2023-11-06 19:31 | Report Abuse

padan muka!! voted against EGM resolution ...next level 6c
Specialist Ravi haha

Posted by YusufM > 2023-11-06 19:44 | Report Abuse

Wow. MacDee34 got his own blacklisted list😆😆.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 10:54 | Report Abuse

Good morning guys...wow, looks so quiet, everyone tired of commenting I guess.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 11:23 | Report Abuse

@YusufM, let's have our list too...

Anyhow, I truly believe the rights of one's own expression should prevail, so, MacDee34 deserves to voice "its" opinions just like everyone else here, as long as the respect, non-religious, any sensitive issues are avoided at all times.

Posted by batigoal > 2023-11-07 14:22 | Report Abuse

When KNM will recover from these setback

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 15:45 | Report Abuse

@batigoal, in due time, so many things have happened to the company in the past less than 3 months and the board has been busy putting off the fires, they need to get the team back to work, back to basics, get good contracts in, boost up revenues.

Posted by ChloeTai > 2023-11-07 16:20 | Report Abuse

KUALA LUMPUR (Nov 7): Edaran Bhd’s share price hit an 18-month high of 71 sen in Tuesday morning trade, after its unit Edaran IT Services Sdn Bhd won a contract to maintain the Royal Malaysian Customs Department’s operating system and MySST (Malaysia Sales & Services Tax) application worth RM89.88 million — which is almost three times the company’s market capitalisation based on its Monday (Nov 6)’s closing price.

In a filing on Monday, Edaran said the contract, which was awarded by the Ministry of Finance, started on Sept 1 and will span a period of four years.

Posted by Auntylee > 2023-11-07 17:54 | Report Abuse

Ini forum allow semua orang free to talk three talk four, why need to black list or report???🤔

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 19:10 | Report Abuse

@Auntylee, betul betul betul, live and let live... repot2 tausah lar...

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 19:14 | Report Abuse

Hari ini MacD cuti kah? Tadak bunyi ini hari...

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 20:49 | Report Abuse

Malaysia has tabled the long-awaited Companies Amendment Bill 2023. The Bill aims to usher in significant restructuring and insolvency changes like cross-class cramdown, pre-packs, and super priority rescue financing. The 9 significant key reforms:

1. The wider restraining order moratorium.
2. Cross-class cramdown in schemes of arrangement.
3. Pre-pack schemes of arrangement.
4. Improvements to scheme procedure.
5. The greater role of the court-appointed insolvency practitioner in schemes of arrangement.
6. Super priority rescue financing for schemes and judicial management (JM).
7. CVA for more companies (including listed companies).
8. JM for more companies (including listed companies) and the Court decides on the period of extension of the JM order.
9. Protection for essential goods and services for insolvency related events.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 21:08 | Report Abuse

The CA2016 amendments Bill 2023 may not be gazetted in time for KNM to apply in its situation which may lessen alot of hassles and money wastage.

KNM still commands a good fundamentals, it continues to have a steady stream of revenues. Its just the last mile achievement to close the gaps to break even, and with prudent control of costs of sales, and big push for big contracts to secure, and chop bleeding entities, KNM will be home to recovery.

There are experienced and calibre members in the board thats capable of bringing in fresh business deals to the table if it's fast forward sooner, will pacify grumpy parties among the stakeholders. So, the answer is fresh money! Liquidation isn't always the right and wholesome way to a financially distressed company.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 21:16 | Report Abuse

KUALA LUMPUR (Sept 7): Cash-strapped Sapura Energy Bhd has secured a six-month extension to its standstill period from its multi-currency financing (MCF) financiers under the Corporate Debt Restructuring Committee (CDRC) regime, pushing the end-date to March 10, 2024.

“In line with Bank Negara Malaysia’s CDRC Participant’s Code of Conduct, the MCF financiers are to continue to observe the informal standstill and withhold all legal proceedings, and/or any other recovery action initiated or intended against Sapura Energy and/or the admitted group of companies,” the oil and gas services provider said in a bourse filing on Thursday.

It noted that the CDRC’s decision to extend the standstill period past the coming Sept 9 expiry date was in consideration of the current progress of the group’s proposed restructuring schemes.

The former Sept 9 standstill period end-date was a result of an extension it was granted by the CDRC back in February this year.

The Practice Note 17 outfit said the nine-month extension of the restraining orders it received from the court against its creditors back in June was also a factor in the CDRC’s decision. The restraining orders also end on March 10 next year.

According to the filing, the admitted group of companies are Sapura Energy, and its wholly-owned units Sapura TMC Sdn Bhd, Sapura Fabrication Sdn Bhd, Sapura Offshore Sdn Bhd, Sapura Subsea Services Sdn Bhd, Sapura Pinewell Sdn Bhd, Sapura Technology Solutions Sdn Bhd, Sapura Drilling Pte Ltd, Sapura Drilling Probadi Sdn Bhd and Sapura Petroleum Ventures Sdn Bhd.

The CDRC accepted Sapura Energy’s application to mediate in the group’s debt restructuring negotiations with its MCF financiers back in September last year.

It was previously reported that the group owes RM10.3 billion to nine lenders grouped under financiers of its MCF facilities, and an additional RM5.3 billion to vendors.

Shares in Sapura Energy closed unchanged at six sen, giving the group a market capitalisation of RM878.85 million.

Posted by maxwin69 > 2023-11-07 21:33 | Report Abuse

For any business, whether distressed or otherwise, they will always face 3 challengers. (1) Bring in more customers, (2) Make those customers happy by delivery of promises made by the marketing department, including production and after-sales service, and (3) provide funding and financing for both the capital requirements of the marketing and production departments.

If you ask me, I would say the first department (marketing) is the most important. What's the point of doing production and having lots of funds if we can't bring in the customers, right? No customers = no business.

One of the biggest problems for the marketing department, if not the biggest, is competition. Today, the marketplace for every product and industry, is full of players trying to snatch away our customers and make them their own. We used to talk about barriers of entry such as high capital requirement or high technology. The fact is that no matter how high the barriers of entry, if the business project is really profitable, we can expect players to overcome whatever barriers and compete with us.

We hope the KNM team can be great businessmen with capable people who are good at marketing, experts in production, and able to raise sufficient capital for the business. Let's give them some room to perform. As we can see, doing business today is no joke. It's not for the faint-hearted.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 22:05 | Report Abuse

@maxwin69, hello there.. yes, agreed to your comments. Marketing dept does play pivotal role in boosting up the sales. In a capital intensive industry like KNM currently involves, there are several techniques to see this issue, one of them is formulation of good business terms with the customer, like upfront deposits, WIP pymts, shorter delivery time, efficient supply chain, improved productivity by by continuous orders with minimal gaps, etc, while opting for factoring facility to free up cash for more orders and service trade suppliers. Another option is (may sound inferior) partnering with another competing company jointly fulfill the orders. End of the day, any incremental sales closes the gaps between losses and breaking even. Positive mind is key.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 22:14 | Report Abuse

The below is another example of a case study we can learn from (for discussion purposes only, your own discretion is required as its your money)

On 31 December 2020, Sentoria Bina issued its explanatory statement ahead of the scheme meeting scheduled for 29 January 2021. This explanatory statement set out the proposal for the proposed scheme of arrangement.The financial aspects of the scheme were proposed with the guidance and advice of BDO and Ernst & Young. The proposed scheme was also formulated on their advice and that they too have taken the view that the scheme is more viable to Sentoria Bina and the creditors as opposed to liquidation.

The High Court in the case of Re Sentoria Bina Sdn Bhd (grounds of judgment dated 9 July 2021) dealt with scheme of arrangement issues. First, that a restraining order could extend to the corporate guarantor of the applicant’s company. Second, the case dealt with the principles for sanction of a scheme of arrangement.

The scheme was deemed speculative as contended by some of the interveners. The Court agreed that an intelligent and reasonable person would approve because:

1. Some of the interveners are not opposing the scheme. They are merely requesting that their debt be varied/increased, as SOA has significant variation, which the interveners showed proofs and the company verified at later stage.

The proposed scheme does not entail any reduction in the scheme debts. Merely an extension of time to pay the debts in full over 6 years.

There was BDO’s opinion (as the financial advisor of the scheme) that creditors are only expected to recover 11.5% of the sums in a liquidation of Sentoria Bina.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-07 22:18 | Report Abuse

So, the fundamental question arises with a saying, "why slaughter a golden eggs laying goose 🪿 when it can continue to lay golden eggs in the years to come?"

Posted by KW L > 2023-11-08 11:31 | Report Abuse

if KNM fundamental is so good, why its business failed? I doubt Borsig really generate good cash flow, otherwise why after 2 years of Thai bond default still not paid a single cent.

Posted by KW L > 2023-11-08 11:33 | Report Abuse

unless the holes and too many and too big. Then KNM should close the those sink hole and then recover. So far didn't see any such action other the keep repeating between IPO and dispal to the Borsig and FBM.

Posted by OtisKL > 2023-11-08 13:15 | Report Abuse

@KWL, yup, fundamentals are still good, but it got into trouble. Due to the company's rapid expansion without considering the implications it may have on its cash flow and external market environment.

The default of Thai bonds was observed to occur even 12 to 15 months prior to the occurrence, as evidenced by its business patterns. And of all the things, comes the Covid 19 pandemic, which has hit every person on this earth, one way or the other. The ethanol project has stalled for far too long, with no production, but the expense of simply maintaining it is high based on published financial reports. If liquidation word is taboo, then get another partner in, reduce your share, and get it to take off. Of course, you need more cash to do this. There is no other way else.

For every issuance of bond, there is a guarantor, between the bond buyers and issuer. The guarantor CGIS has paid the bond buyers as per published articles, but KNM didn't pay CGIS...hehehe.

The reason why we hear 2 different concepts (IPO or Disposal), based on their reports, they are doing both, see if Borsig can be sold at minimum Euro350mil or more under M&A concept, or IPO it. As the IPO date is coming closer, they are leaning towards IPO now.

Posted by Vhydro > 2023-11-08 21:58 | Report Abuse

Fundamental still good? lol

Posted by Aati99 > 2023-11-09 15:19 | Report Abuse

tak ade fundemental sementara ni... Ha

Posted by Apastock > 2023-11-09 15:54 | Report Abuse

apa fundamental good

Posted by Medusa > 2023-11-09 16:41 | Report Abuse

Habisla anak taik mahmud keep selling

Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Kikiki…

Posted by Vhydro > 2023-11-09 20:35 | Report Abuse

The Company wishes to announce that one of the conditions precedent in the SPA for the Proposed Disposal, i.e. to obtain the Golden Power Clearance, has been rejected by the Italian Government, vide its letter dated 7 November 2023, which was received by the Company on 8 November 2023.

Posted by Vhydro > 2023-11-09 20:37 | Report Abuse

Previous plan to sell Borsig, failed
Previous plan wanted to list FBM Hudson, failed
Now plan to dispose FBM Hudson, failed as well.

Cakap pandai je.
Mungkin listing of Borsig on Sgx will fail too.

Good fundamental??

Posted by Apastock > 2023-11-09 20:42 | Report Abuse

wah.. macam macam ade

Posted by speakup > 2023-11-09 21:16 | Report Abuse

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/689544