Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-25 15:58 | Report Abuse

The initial feedback from the management is encouraging. They clarified that project facilitation fee is mainly consultancy fee received by providing advice and expertise in relation to new terminal development, typically at 2.5% of project GDV but sometimes higher.

The reason for increasing PFF in recent years is because the group has ventured more to other states to advise state authorities / developers on new terminal projects and also rejuvenation work on existing transportation terminals to improve on rental income. Some of the new terminal projects are just at planning stage and may not even get constructed but Ptrans charged for consultancy services at this early stage of development.
As for the huge amount of RM39m p.a. in FY2020-2021 and implied GDV of over RM1.0 billion, the management clarified that these were from a number of projects in different states, each with a GDV of RM200m - 400m. Due to confidentiality, the management cannot disclose some of these projects and their owners/locations yet until the project finally achieves Final Investment Decision (FID) and the project owner announces it publicly.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-26 15:17 | Report Abuse

@PSAi3alert, thank you for highlighting the financials of Maksima Timur.

While it may be strange for Maksima Timur to incur a loss in 2021, please note that the financial year end of Maksimar Timur is 30 Sept while for Perak Transit the financial year end is 31 Dec. There could be a timing difference in the recognition of revenue and costs for these 2 companies in relation to the project facilitation fees.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-26 15:29 | Report Abuse

There must be some reasons why the company structures the project facilitation fee through another company in Maksima Timur. The ownership is different and the expertise could be different in these 2 companies.
For Maksima Timur to carry out project facilitation for other parties, it needs to utilise some of the facilities at existing terminals of Perak Transit and some manpower / expertise from Perak Transit, so it does not need to have big asset nor office overhead. It does not carry out construction activities so it does not need to have construction equipment or construction workers.
It is primarily involved in providing consultation services, expertise in relation to transportation terminal design and construction and operations & maintenance, project management, liaising with local authorities and SPAD, etc.

As you may know, typical construction projects involve a construction company, architect, consultants and a project management company. Architects and C&S/M&E consultants may earn a fee of 2% to 5% of the project costs, and the project management company may earn a fee of 2% to 7% of project costs to manage the project from planning, development, getting approval, supervision of construction works to completion.
It is rather reasonable for Perak Transit / Maksima Timur to charge a project facilitation fee of 2% of project GDV. They could charge higher if a terminal project achieves final investment decision and proceeds with construction so that they can provide project management services throughout the construction phase.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-26 15:32 | Report Abuse

One reason I could think of why Maksima Timue incurred a small loss is because they wanted to park most of the profit at Perak Transit where they have capital allowance to offset against income tax. Had they park big profit at Maksima Timur, this company would incur a full 25% income tax rate. That's my view, to be confirmed with management.

Posted by PSAi3alert > 2022-07-27 20:44 | Report Abuse

dragon328,

Between 2016 and 2021, PTrans recorded a total of RM161.971M for project facilitation fees (PFF), implying a total GDV of RM6478.84M.

At an average RM300M ( RM200m - 400m number came from you ), that means 21.6 bus terminal projects were initiated between 2016 and 2021. And for each bus terminal project, state authorities will engage and pay Maksima Timur for project facilitation. Maksima Timur will, in turn, engage and pay PTrans an average of RM7.5M for each project.

Out of the 21.6 projects, how many has achieved Final Investment Decision (FID) whereby the project owners/locations can be revealed?

About one third of the 2,224 passengers and crew aboard Titanic survived.

Surely, the success rate for PTrans will be better than one third. After all, RM161.971M is a lot of money collected for project facilitation fees.

Ok ok. Let's take one third of 21.6 projects to have successfully reached FID and the names can be revealed.

Pray name the owners and locations of the 7 projects ( one third of 21.6 ).

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Posted by dragon328 > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

As for the huge amount of RM39m p.a. in FY2020-2021 and implied GDV of over RM1.0 billion, the management clarified that these were from a number of projects in different states, each with a GDV of RM200m - 400m. Due to confidentiality, the management cannot disclose some of these projects and their owners/locations yet until the project finally achieves Final Investment Decision (FID) and the project owner announces it publicly.

Posted by PSAi3alert > 2022-07-27 21:00 | Report Abuse

You want Ptrans PFF revenue for the period between 1st Oct to 30th Sep of the following year, so as to be able to compare against Maksima Timur's financial year end?

Sure, here it is:

Ptrans PFF Revenue
1-10-2020 to 30-9-2021 = RM52.6M ( RM39M + RM13.6M )
1-10-2019 to 30-9-2020 = RM33.95M ( RM25.95M + RM8M )

Maksima Timur
FYE (RM Millions)________ 30-09-2020 _________ 30-09-2021
Revenue _________________ 29.595 _____________ 37.125

PTrans PFF revenue
FYE (RM Millions)________ 30-09-2020 _________ 30-09-2021
Revenue _________________ 33.95 _____________ 52.6

--->>> For the 30th September 2020 year end, Maksima Timur would have billed some secretive state authorities an amount of RM29.595M. PTrans, in turn, would have billed Maksima Timur an amount of RM33.95M for the project facilitation services.

--->>> For the 30th September 2021 year end, Maksima Timur would have billed some secretive state authorities an amount of RM37.125M. PTrans, in turn, would have billed Maksima Timur an amount of RM52.6M for the project facilitation services.

--->>> In those 2 financial periods, Maksima Timur would have lost RM19.83M ( 29.595 - 33.95 + 37.125 -52.6 ) by being the middle man.



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PTrans Q4 2021 no PFF income
Revenue in the current quarter was lower mainly due to no project facilitation fee
recorded in the current quarter
--->> 9 months of PFF income is RM39M

https://disclosure.bursamalaysia.com/FileAccess/apbursaweb/download?id=217390&name=EA_FR_ATTACHMENTS


PTrans Q3 2020 9-months PFF was RM25.95M
"...higher project facilitation fee recorded in the current FPE 30 September 2020 of RM25.95 million as compared to RM21.35 million in the corresponding 9-months FPE 30 September 2019."
--->>> Q4 2020 PFF income is RM13.6M (Full year 39.55M - 9 months 25.95M)

https://disclosure.bursamalaysia.com/FileAccess/apbursaweb/download?id=211731&name=EA_FR_ATTACHMENTS


PTrans Q3 2019 9-months PFF was RM21.35M
...higher project facilitation fee recorded in the current FPE 30 September 2019 of RM21.35 million as compared to RM14.70 million in the corresponding 9-months FPE 30 September 2018
--->>> Q4 2019 PFF income is RM8M (29.35M-21.35M)

https://disclosure.bursamalaysia.com/FileAccess/apbursaweb/download?id=207217&name=EA_FR_ATTACHMENTS


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Posted by dragon328 > 1 day ago

@PSAi3alert, thank you for highlighting the financials of Maksima Timur.

While it may be strange for Maksima Timur to incur a loss in 2021, please note that the financial year end of Maksimar Timur is 30 Sept while for Perak Transit the financial year end is 31 Dec. There could be a timing difference in the recognition of revenue and costs for these 2 companies in relation to the project facilitation fees.

Posted by PSAi3alert > 2022-07-27 21:17 | Report Abuse

As mentioned, a batting average of one-third will be Titanic sort of disastrous performance.

So 7 (out of 21.6) projects that have proceeded to construction is minimally expected. Unfortunately, not a single has been named.

Want to know what the project facilitation really is about?

It's detailed in page 87 of PTrans IPO prospectus.

It just need 2 executive directors and 2 terminal staffs to spend 2 hours per day, over 2 days our of 5 working days with secretive unnamed customers. Nothing heavy. Just show them around the terminal and have tête-à-tête sessions.

The man-hours charged out per year for the Project Facilitation Fee is calculated as:
4 (2 directors and 2 terminal staffs) x 2 x 2 x 52 = 832 man-hours = 104 man-days

RM39M was billed for PFF in 2021.

The billed rate will be RM46,875 per man-hour (RM39M / 832 hours) or RM375,000 per man-day (RM39M / 104 days)

If the 2 terminal staffs are not critical to the process, the billed rate for the 2 executive directors would have been RM93,750 per man-hour or RM750,000 per man-day.

A top partner in McKinsey does not command that sort of billing rate. Neither does a top Queen's Counsel.

Maybe an ex US President.


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Page 87 of IPO prospectus
PFF cost calculation

The cost in deriving the GP and GP margin of Project Facilitation Fee is in relation to the payroll cost and terminal related expenses (i.e. mainly depreciation). The basis of apportioning payroll cost and terminal related expenses due to Project Facilitation Fee, is arrived based on the director's estimation of:
a) the time apportionment with a average of 2 hours per day over 8 working hours of the two (2) Executive Directors and two (2) terminal staffs for two (2) out of five (5) office working days; and
b) number of hours where Maksima Timur is allowed to access Terminal AmanJaya's equipment, utilities and facilities, e.g. from 6.00 a.m. to 7.00 p.m. on a daily basis


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Posted by dragon328 > 1 day ago

It is rather reasonable for Perak Transit / Maksima Timur to charge a project facilitation fee of 2% of project GDV. They could charge higher if a terminal project achieves final investment decision and proceeds with construction so that they can provide project management services throughout the construction phase.

Posted by PSAi3alert > 2022-07-27 21:37 | Report Abuse

The raison d'etre to start and run a company is to make profit. Not collect credit for tax losses.

For the latest financial period, Maksima Timur lost RM4.007M, 10.8% of revenue. Their share capital is only RM300k.

Rezeki Megajaya lost RM4.413M, 63.7% of revenue.
Their share capital is only RM100k and now has negative shareholders equity of RM2.56M.

Are you suggesting that it's better for a company to lose RM4M and have a tax loss credit of RM1M to be used in subsequent years?

Wouldn't it be better to make RM4M and pay RM1M of taxes? You'll keep the RM3M profit after tax now.

I do not understand what you mean by:
"...park most of the profit at Perak Transit where they have capital allowance to offset against income tax..."

Maksima Timur and Rezeki Megajaya are PTrans' major customers?

What do you mean by parking of profits?

There are laws against such practices:

Securities Act:
84. False trading and market rigging transaction
85. Stock market manipulations
86. False or misleading statements, etc.
89. Insider trading

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Maksima Timur Sdn Bhd
Auditor: CWC & Company (AF0873)

FYE (RM Millions)________ 30-09-2020 _________ 30-09-2021
Revenue _________________ 29.595 _____________ 37.125
PBT _____________________ -1.881 _____________ -3.605
PAT _____________________ -1.314 _____________ -4.007
Non-Current Assets ______ 22.37 _____________ 8.368
Current Assets ___________ 104.446 ___________ 122.332
Non-Current Liabilities ___ 2.552 _____________ 1.175
Current Liabilites ________ 118.804 ____________ 128.071
Share Capital ____________ 0.300 _____________ 0.300
Retained Earnings _______ 5.16 ______________ 1.153


Rezeki Megajaya Sdn Bhd
Auditor: CWC & Company (AF0873)

FYE (RM Millions)______ 30-09-2021
Revenue _____________ 6.925
PBT _________________ -4.267
PAT _________________ -4.413
Non-Current Assets _____ 0.388
Current Assets _________ 8.513
Non-Current Liabilities ___
Current Liabilites _______ 11.460
Share Capital __________ 0.100
Retained Earnings ______ -2.66



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Posted by dragon328 > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

One reason I could think of why Maksima Timue incurred a small loss is because they wanted to park most of the profit at Perak Transit where they have capital allowance to offset against income tax. Had they park big profit at Maksima Timur, this company would incur a full 25% income tax rate. That's my view, to be confirmed with management.

Posted by MAX8186 > 2022-07-27 21:47 | Report Abuse

Too much talking and debating. Took profit two weeks ago after holding since end 2020. Do your own research.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-28 12:15 | Report Abuse

It is quite normal for many infrastructure projects not to proceed and just stop at the planning stage. At least we have seen some already up and running and Bidor terminal is under construction and Tronoh likely up next.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-28 12:19 | Report Abuse

For me as a retail investor in Ptrans, what concerns me more is the financial performance of this listed company and its main operating assets. What I see is that operating cashflows continue to be strong with rentals and advertisement income ramping up as economy reopens with more travelling activities at the bus terminals.
As the management has said, the PFF income is expected to come down going forward. We shall focus more on the core business as the management spurs up efforts in securing more logistic customers and rental incomes for its existing terminals and the upcoming Bidor terminal.

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-07-28 12:22 | Report Abuse

As retailer investor of Ptrans, I am happy to see another dividend of 0.75 sen coming ex on 3 August. Trailing 12-month dividends may top 3.97%, a decent yield.

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-01 10:07 | Report Abuse

The share price has been going through a consolidation and distribution period for the past 8 trading sessions.
As the volume starts to dry up we may see an upward move in an attempt to take on new levels. My key price points are still 87 cents with a possible move to 92 cents.

If overall market conditions are positive then we may see the above comment come into play. A positive quarterly would obviously assist, which is due in around 3 weeks time.

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-06 11:31 | Report Abuse

Consolidation and distribution still continuing within the gradually tightening Bollinger Bands. My first target of 87 cents still remains, which is now coincidently the level of the upper Bollinger Band. The immediate short term move is to break 83.5, then eventually take on 87 cents.

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-08 11:41 | Report Abuse

thank you sifu MR TreeTopView

Posted by 4ever5 > 2022-08-10 21:30 | Report Abuse

I sold at 80sen and cant find any good entry point. This stock is realy on fire keep going up.. cheer to all investor that still holding.. continue monitoring this stock while parking my money on other dividend stock too.

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-11 10:08 | Report Abuse

congrates Mr 4ever5

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-11 10:10 | Report Abuse

Additional Listing Announcement /Subdivision of Shares
PERAK TRANSIT BERHAD

1. Details of Corporate Proposal
Involve issuance of new type/class of securities ? No
Types of corporate proposal Exercise of Warrants
Details of corporate proposal Conversion of warrants into ordinary shares
No. of shares issued under this corporate proposal 892,750
Issue price per share ($$) Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) 0.7500
Par Value($$) (if applicable)
Latest issued share capital after the above corporate proposal in the following
Units 709,500,555
Issued Share Capital ($$) Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) 326,312,937.780
Listing Date 04 Aug 2022

sifu can give thought?

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-11 10:26 | Report Abuse

I'll jump in before your sifu eventually responds.

It's a routine notice to the market that a Warrant holder has converted their warrants into shares. The exercise price of the warrant is 75 cents.

Perhaps converted just in time to also pick up the current dividend.

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-11 10:39 | Report Abuse

thank you my sifu Mr TreeTopView. im nubis. thanks very much. it will effect mother price share?

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-11 10:49 | Report Abuse

Not really........what happens is that the warrant is transferred to a fully paid up share.
The company receives full payment for the conversion, in this case 892,750 shares at 75 cents = Rm669,562.50

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-11 14:46 | Report Abuse

thanks sifu MR TreeTopView. i will follow you. very helpful

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-11 15:04 | Report Abuse

Don't follow me on the bus, I'm only a passenger and not the driver :)

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-11 16:21 | Report Abuse

:)

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-08-12 12:55 | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/web/blog/detail/dragon328/2022-08-12-story-h1627892545-IGBB_is_an_Awakening_Property_Giant_worth_at_least_RM6_75

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-16 17:51 | Report Abuse

Quarterly results just released.
Profit up 4.3% compared to last quarter.
Declared yet again another quarterly dividend.

Posted by VTrade > 2022-08-16 17:57 | Report Abuse

Sini ada ipoh guy ? Perak girl ?

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-16 18:20 | Report Abuse

Press Release – For Immediate Distribution
PERAK TRANSIT BERHAD REPORTS RECORD PROFIT AFTER TAX
OF RM14.87 MILLION IN 2QFY22 AND DECLARES THIRD INTERIM
DIVIDEND OF 0.75 SEN PER SHARE

Press Release:
https://disclosure.bursamalaysia.com/FileAccess/apbursaweb/download?id=128801&name=EA_GA_ATTACHMENTS

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-16 20:10 | Report Abuse

thank you sifu Mr TreeTopView.
this is good news right?

Posted by dragon328 > 2022-08-16 21:02 | Report Abuse

This is indeed good news, impressive and resilient set of earnings mainly from operational growth in rental and advertisement income

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-16 21:25 | Report Abuse

Aimanxkesah, yes it's positive news. A record quarterly profit for any business is always good news :)

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-17 09:28 | Report Abuse

That 87 cent resistance price point that I've mentioned a few times in the past couple of weeks might be coming into play.
The quarterly results released last night might be enough to help break the 87 cent level. If so, then look for around 92 cents as another target area, imo.

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-17 09:41 | Report Abuse

thank you sifu Mr Dragon328 and sifu Mr TreeTopView.

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-17 09:51 | Report Abuse

@Aimanxkesah, you are a very polite guy/girl, there should be a lot more like you :)

No need for the sifu "title" though, I'm merely an enthusiastic market participant.

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-17 14:39 | Report Abuse

thank you Mr. TreeTopView. Im guy who is new in bursa. :-). willing to learn.

Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-08-17 14:42 | Report Abuse

Yay!

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-17 14:43 | Report Abuse

Aimanxkesah.....Best of luck on your Bursa journey. Always tread carefully :)

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-17 14:46 | Report Abuse

aamiin. thank you Mr. TreeTopView. wish best of luck to you too.

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-17 15:28 | Report Abuse

I've been tweeking the Fibonacci calcs now that the previous Fib point, 87 cents, appears to perhaps be broken.
If 87 is definitely cleared then the next two points are, imo, 92.5 and 97.5 should the uptrend continue.

A case could be made for 90/90.5, however that will probably be caught up in the "psychological" barrier of 90 cents, as it moves from the 80's to 90's.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-08-17 15:41 | Report Abuse

Psychological barrier will be a buck, TreeTopView :)

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-17 15:52 | Report Abuse

yes Tony.....when we are in the 90's :)
lol

Posted by anthonytkh > 2022-08-17 16:18 | Report Abuse

I like wearing shades, TTV :)

Just a reminder to those new to Ptrans : 15-year RM500 Million Sukuk launched in 2019. Second tranche almost a year ago. Banks subscribed to them

Posted by Aimanxkesah > 2022-08-18 07:54 | Report Abuse

thank you Mr. TreeTopView and Mr. Anthonytkh

Posted by cheeseburger > 2022-08-18 11:14 | Report Abuse

watch out guys.

Posted by TreeTopView > 2022-08-18 11:22 | Report Abuse

The break of 87 cents has failed, for now anyway.
Solid volume above 87 cents yesterday but can't maintain the current upward move.

Still more to come, imo.

Posted by bowls > 2022-08-18 13:34 | Report Abuse

This is the usual pattern of Ptrans. It may be up for a few cents today, and then lose half (or all) of the gain the next day.

Posted by berbolabiru > 2022-08-18 19:50 | Report Abuse

plastic performance, boss syiok sendiri

Posted by berbolabiru > 2022-08-18 19:50 | Report Abuse

plastic performance, boss syiok sendiri

Posted by berbolabiru > 2022-08-18 19:51 | Report Abuse

boss no buyu = down

Posted by wallstreetrookie > 2022-08-22 07:00 | Report Abuse

All time high profits