LOTTE CHEMICAL TITAN HOLDING BERHAD

KLSE (MYR): LCTITAN (5284)

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Last Price

0.99

Today's Change

-0.01 (1.00%)

Day's Change

0.99 - 1.01

Trading Volume

2,453,700


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12,633 comment(s). Last comment by DividendGuy67 1 day ago

Markv572421

3,053 posts

Posted by Markv572421 > 1 month ago | Report Abuse

Who is the buyer ?

Posted by Jonathan Keung > 3 weeks ago | Report Abuse

MACD support line park at 1.10. what to watch out is their next coming quarter result announcement. Only if the management do a kitchen sinking clean up then it's going to be a very bad Qtr result

Markv572421

3,053 posts

Posted by Markv572421 > 3 weeks ago | Report Abuse

Better sell if no improvement ....wasting money to put into company that nothing to be done.

Posted by Jonathan Keung > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

Difficult to predict what the future holds for LCTITAN if their own captain decides to jump ship or sell off their factory.

soon9913

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Posted by soon9913 > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

high oil price should be bad to this counter also, as it is their materials.... !!!

Markv572421

3,053 posts

Posted by Markv572421 > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

close the company laaa better ...

JJPTR

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Posted by JJPTR > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

LCTTITAN break support @1.14. next major support 0.75 rgt

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

For those trading LCTITAN using technical charts, all concerns expressed are fair points.

This week has closed lower than 1.10.
- Yes, the technical bias is downwards.
- Yes, nobody knows where the next bottom is because in a downtrend, supports tend to get broken.
- And if one backtest to Mar 2019 when the strong 4.10-4.20 support got broken the next 12 months was very painful.

So, what should we do. A few other observations:
1. I am underweighted - my neutral position size is 3% of my portfolio and it is now 2.1%. This % comes down because LCTITAN fall at a faster rate than my total portfolio with other stocks.
2. If we go back to March 2019, there was still a high probability win when we combine technical tools with our fundamental beliefs on this stock. When it fall, let it fall until it finds a new base and then accumulate following position size rules. If we are disciplined, the next 24 months also turned out a winner.
3. Back in 2019, the NTA was higher than Price but not much higher. Hence a big fall is not unexpected.
4. Today, the NTA was very much higher than RM1 vs NTA > RM5 - huge cash converted to fixed assets. Less likely for further fall. In fact, this time we see the break below 1.10 has lower volume, suggesting less belief of a much larger fall. Nobody knows of course. Small initial reactions can sometimes gather larger volumes to push down, but given the huge gap and there is a business behind this stock, the odds are less of this happening.
5. This suggests Principle of Alternation is more likely to occur in 2024-2026, than 2019-2021.
6. In other words, as I have anticipated and prepared for this upcoming move, I continue to execute my strategy i.e. lower prices is an accumulation zone, but not greater than my neutral position size.
7. This is because, nobody knows if this stock is going to zero - I think 99% chance it won't, but I am never certain but odds are extremely good that in the next 2-3 years, I will win if I stick to my fundamental + technical strategy. The win size though may not be large (it depends on market) and the time to take to win is uncertain. But I am confident with my approach in the long run for 100 stocks, because Technical Analysis on its own has limitations.

Everyone should have their own strategy. Good luck over the next 3 years.

Plantermen

2,114 posts

Posted by Plantermen > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

Good explanation. Whether using technical or trend line projections. Always set your own limit not to forget your own risk appetite.

Plantermen

2,114 posts

Posted by Plantermen > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

And your own time line investment strategy. For long term holdings{ 2-3 years} or short term trading 3-6 mths tine frame

xiaoeh

2,236 posts

Posted by xiaoeh > 2 weeks ago | Report Abuse

Good sharing DividendGuy67
strongly agree with point 07.
fundamental + technical strategy

currently Lctitan's future is highly uncertain
at least for now...

Posted by rocket2000 > 1 week ago | Report Abuse

QR should be out today?

Stocks888

534 posts

Posted by Stocks888 > 1 week ago | Report Abuse

Selling …..

Stocks888

534 posts

Posted by Stocks888 > 1 week ago | Report Abuse

No QR release haha… bye bye

cheated

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Posted by cheated > 6 days ago | Report Abuse

Why QR still big loss? When loss QR can stop?

Plantermen

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Posted by Plantermen > 5 days ago | Report Abuse

Losses for the 1st quarter FY 24 comes in at - 178 million lower vs Y-o-Y. LCtitan has lost money consecutively for the last 9 quarters

Posted by EatCoconutCanWin > 5 days ago | Report Abuse

This company is time to buy

xiaoeh

2,236 posts

Posted by xiaoeh > 5 days ago | Report Abuse

any good news EatCoconutCanWin?

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 3 days ago |

Post removed.Why?

rickygiam

68 posts

Posted by rickygiam > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

Sure drop below 90cts consider buy to keep..

Plantermen

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Posted by Plantermen > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

The first quarter losses of - 178 milllion is slightly below the loss of - 225 million reported in the previous qtr. Nevertheless based on what was reported by the press. LC titan is expected to face worse off in the 2nd quarter ending June24 with lower sales volume and weak product demand. With demand muted and a supply gut Analyst expected LCtitan core losses to further widenen. The 1st Qtr losses ending March 24 was narrower due to the LCtitan has capitalised 136 million in interest expenses relating to the loan taken for their Indonesia plant expansion. In other words the accounting side have sidestep the interest from the P&L and instead putting as part of the construction costs. This is something minorities should. Make note of. The cost of construction costs would be substantially higher with the debt interest added on the plant expansion. Please do your research and understand the so called interest and cost transfer

cK1973

1,565 posts

Posted by cK1973 > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

so EP 90-100.....
can?

cheated

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Posted by cheated > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

LC Titan down 5 sen today so DividendGuy67 portfolio still make new high(many of his posts comprise his portfolios make new high) today?

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

Hi cheated. Yes, with KLCI up, majority of my stocks went up, to offset the reds and yes, my portfolio made new all time high again today, even with LCTITAN down 5 sen.

That is the beauty of a highly diversified above average quality businesses. No one single stock dominates.

Unfortunately, i3 has deleted all references to my blog. That's fine since I blog mostly for my own future reading and future reference. It reduces my sharing but I respect i3's wishes.

Whilst LCTITAN drop 5 sen, my other stock UOADEV went up 5 sen and I own more shares there than in LCTITAN, hence, that helps. But it's now behaving as I expect, so, curious to see how much lower LCTITAN can get. Times like this, as it approaches accumulation zone, this is an opportunity.

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 2 days ago | Report Abuse

All time low 0.975. Traders will be eyeing price action near here.
Given the downward momentum (huge fear), my tembak sense say maybe 50:50 chance we may see a new low, if RM1 round number support doesn't hold.

Apparently, market likes to make new low to trigger traders stop losses below there. I don't know and don't care.

If it does get there, then, maybe got some chance we might see capitulation i.e. big drop down fast and recover fast. This is because today's candle length is longer with bigger volume.

So, the question for this week is will tomorrow be even longer red candle with even bigger volume?

Traders love capitulation because this is when you make fast monies as a trader.

Posted by Jonathan Keung > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

Technically still negative. Strong possibilities of Lctitan testing new low below 95 sen. A few IBs have put the TP at 90 sen based on widening losses for 2 ND quarter assumption. For momentum day traders try not to catch a falling knives . Lctitan not for trading prepared to hold 1 or 2 years till the plant is completed

Markv572421

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Posted by Markv572421 > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

Pity Lctitan.......

MG9231

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Posted by MG9231 > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

ipo above $5 , since then diarrhea

Plantermen

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Posted by Plantermen > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

There must be a strong reason or compelling factor LG Korea have decided to dispose off their subsidiary LCTITAN which they have invested

Plantermen

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Posted by Plantermen > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

They are not telling us except for the standard reply. Weak demand and over supply

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

My accumulation order at 1.00 was filled. Basically bought nearly 40% of what I previously sold at 1.4x. I didn’t buy 100% because a larger part of me expects more downtrend. This is part of a longer term strategy. Not expecting anything to happen in near term except for lower prices.

Plantermen

2,114 posts

Posted by Plantermen > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

Best of luck to you.... Bro. Need to stay away and see whether the IB jokers TP price prediction of 90 sen can materialised

Posted by DividendGuy67 > 1 day ago | Report Abuse

Thanks Plantermen. I'm indifferent to the outcome of this one trade, as I own many stocks.

Still, today closed at 1.00 with almost equal volume as yesterday. 4 red days. Usually, 5th day should be red (majority odds). However, today was not capitulation but slowing down, with only 2 sen from Open to Close. Not common to see a big capitulation after today's move down.

So, if extend, majority odds tomorrow might see 98 sen. My position here is still significantly underweighted at around 2.36% of portfolio (target is 3%), as my total portfolio made new all time high again today! Expected as KLCI is strong, to land at 1605!

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