Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-04 07:26 | Report Abuse

Every year at the beginning of the year, investment banks would recommend some stocks which they think would out-perform the market. Maybank, Public Bank, CIMB, TM, Tenaga, Digi, Axiata, Sime, AirAsia etc, the same ones are always on the lists. Nothing wrong with the recommendations as most of them would do well I believe. But the problems of these recommendations are: 1. Almost every investment bank is recommending the same companies, is there any chance that they would earn extra-ordinary return as everyone is chasing the same stocks? 2. Nearly all funds, local or foreign own them because of the liquidity which is good. But if every fund has to own them, won’t the price been chased up long ago to its intrinsic value? 3. Is there any conflict of interest with the investment banks who have funds holding these stocks, or have business dealing with the companies recommending these stocks? 4. Most companies recommended are big capitalized companies. What is the potential of high growth in order to achieve high return in the future? 5. These stocks are well known by everybody in the market, the institutions and retail players. What is the chance that they are selling at bargain price, and hence the chance of high return? Do you have any hidden gem which is tucked in some where undiscovered, unloved and institutional investors have no mandate or interest to buy them for the time being, and selling at bargain price. The chance to earn 50% return a year, a double bagger, five baggers or even ten baggers. An ugly duckling which would turn to a beautiful swan in the near future? Which one and why?

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davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:25 | Report Abuse

moven00 i like you calls for wilmar and ppb.. so funny la..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:26 | Report Abuse

actually moven00 you are right this site is for all.. so if you dont like what i say just ignore it.. simple.. or practise what you preach..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:28 | Report Abuse

kccongnz just to let you know.. when you advice people to buy a stock.. dont hide when it is down OK.. be here.. to advice people to buy it... because one should buy stocks when they are down not up.. simple.. so dont cheat people and pretend to know anything OK.. go back to when KFIMA was down.. and see for yourself OK.. were you there to say it is a good share.. or was i there alone..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:29 | Report Abuse

remember experts.. people are reading the crap you all write.. OK.. just a thought for you all..

Posted by New Insight Sabah > 2013-01-08 17:29 | Report Abuse

It doesn't matter if its price should fall to its year low.

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-08 17:30 | Report Abuse

Melvin, why MHC? I don't know anything about it. Tell me the story behind and see if it is worth take a deeper look. Seriously I am only a small retail investor. My knowledge is limited. You can see even if I know the company well, I may not get it right, especially the price part, and especially in the short term. But don't blame me, that is the inherent nature of the capital market.

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:30 | Report Abuse

yes i know that new insight sabah but these expert fool think this is their faders site and that they only can say what they want to pass time and people are not reading.. what losers..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:31 | Report Abuse

read up kcchongnz maybe you will learn something.. you and your fools moven00 and the works.. its important.. you all claim this site is for all.. so be sure of what you write.. dont infest this site with crap..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:32 | Report Abuse

moven00 do me a favour OK.. talk to the wall or advice the wall.. i am not interested in your respect OK.. you are a joker la..

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 17:33 | Report Abuse

singh, be honest.
You claimed you bought 2 lots at 1.92, after buying, came tumbling down to 1.75.

Then u shit bricks and sideline... Nothing was said.

Dont talk cock here.

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 17:33 | Report Abuse

singh, be honest.
You claimed you bought 2 lots at 1.92, after buying, came tumbling down to 1.75.

Then u shit bricks and sideline... Nothing was said.

Dont talk cock here.

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:34 | Report Abuse

i said i initiate a buy then with that much to keep it in my portfolio so i dont forget.. please dont claim wrong crap to deceive the readers OK.. tonylim.. save your comments OK...

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-08 17:35 | Report Abuse

Posted by davesingh > Jan 8, 2013 05:31 PM | Report Abuse
read up kcchongnz maybe you will learn something.. you and your fools moven00 and the works.. its important.. you all claim this site is for all.. so be sure of what you write.. dont infest this site with crap..

Gentlemen, who "infest tgis site crap"? In fact so many sites in i3investor with craps?

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:35 | Report Abuse

tonylim that was ages ago la..dont la again try to explain.. you dont get what i am saying it is.. you stupid or what..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 17:36 | Report Abuse

LOL kcchongnz ok i give up la.. you continue ok.. tell innocent people to buy stock when the market is at its peak .. my apologies.. i talk cock.. continue guys.. good luck...

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Posted by raydalio > 2013-01-08 17:36 | Report Abuse

Hidden GEM to me should be PETRONM, no doubt about that.
Just do your studies and research carefully on this company. I trust all are seasoned investors here, no need for long winded explanation.

Melvin G

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Posted by Melvin G > 2013-01-08 17:37 | Report Abuse

Maybe he not even manage to buy any lot at that price tony! Just check back to data when show the lowest and claim he got that!

Chicken style!

Melvin G

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Posted by Melvin G > 2013-01-08 17:39 | Report Abuse

Give up d? finally. Don't come back again tomorrow again k ? Go and save others chickenman! The world needs you!

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 17:39 | Report Abuse

The damage you have done in i3 is atrocious.
I know some animals like you dont have conscience.

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Posted by Melvin G > 2013-01-08 17:40 | Report Abuse

i mean, the chickens need you! Now back to your cage! Ehehehe

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 17:40 | Report Abuse

I am done for this evening.

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-08 17:50 | Report Abuse

I initiated this thread for the purpose of sharing hidden gems in the Bursa, hopefully everybody who is interested can benefit. I aim to talk about fundamentals and value, then only if the present price presents value. I am glad that this thread achieve its intention if you can check back on some of the recommendations by some and take a closer look at them. I never ask people to buy or sell for the simple reason that you can be wrong and it often happen that your price call will be wrong. No, I never have the intention of asking people to boost about now much they made from buying which share, and provide opportunity for people to ridicule others for making bad calls and act like a mad dog talking about craps.

moven00

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Posted by moven00 > 2013-01-08 17:55 | Report Abuse

Chicken Singh = Empty Barrel making

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 17:56 | Report Abuse

Hidden gem = the stock that inherited with the issue of "mismatched" between its intrinsic business value and its equity price.

There are few scenario for the "mismatch" with the same synptom i.e. drop in profit or/and recorded loss in business:

i) industry in recession mode

ii) inherited with the ealirer wrong investment

iii) Big capex invested earlier and cost in without full stream of potential revenue


To qualify for the league of hidden gem:

i)The balance sheet must be in pretty good shape with the debt in the manageable level or the best with no debt.......

ii) the institutional fund must be in the top 30 shareholders.

iii) the management has no proven bad record in the industry.

iv) ROI and ROIC showing healthy growth

v) You know the industry well

Hopes....this is a good food in your quest for the real hidden gem.

Happy investing 2013!

moven00

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Posted by moven00 > 2013-01-08 17:59 | Report Abuse

Screw you Singh....

You are the lowest of the low.

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:02 | Report Abuse

relax moven00... why so angry with me??

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-08 18:02 | Report Abuse

datuk, excellent post. Just one question about your second point. If the institution fund is already a top 30 shareholders, will it be still a hidden gem? I mean, wouldn't the price has almost reflected its value?

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:03 | Report Abuse

thanks datuk you are a wiseman here.. full respect for you.. we need more wiseman as yourself here.. rather then these people with their rhetoric..

Melvin G

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Posted by Melvin G > 2013-01-08 18:04 | Report Abuse

Hi datuk! How are you? Long time never see you wee

xena

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Posted by xena > 2013-01-08 18:04 | Report Abuse

As the saying goes..an empty can makes the most noise!

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:05 | Report Abuse

sorry @tand3..

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:05 | Report Abuse

ok ok .. singh is calm now.. relax already...

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:06 | Report Abuse

you are right xena... indeed...

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:08 | Report Abuse

KC......if you have done your research well.....you won't be surprised by the mistake made by the so called institutional players. Also.....no one could predit the industry reccession accurately or the factors outlined in my write up above....

Take for instance......KPS.......ingress, Kfima, alam martini....all showing the same..

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:12 | Report Abuse

The price of these counters were dropped well below its intrinsic value previously and rebounded again ......

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:14 | Report Abuse

Hi Melvin.....i'm fine! very busy recently as i was invited to access the possibility of turnaorund a public company that listed in PN17....

KC Loh

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Posted by KC Loh > 2013-01-08 18:15 | Report Abuse

assess you mean

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:16 | Report Abuse

to explore the possibility of becoming a white knite....

tralala

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Posted by tralala > 2013-01-08 18:24 | Report Abuse

UEMLand shall rise
Just my 2 cents :)

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:28 | Report Abuse

UEMLand is a stock involved with iskandar.. it had great prospects.. however it has already risen.. now it is a bit high.. if you mean the sense that it will rise due to some political reason.. then maybe.. but again there are many stocks in the market that can perform better with better backing.. if you are interested in investing in property counters. i recommend... UAODEV Paramon DAIMAN and reits.. these rest maybe mrcb and tebrau teguh.. so UEMLand maybe for a quick ride but for a medium to long term investment with potential returns like dividends. i would think otherwise.. Anyhow thanks for the thought.. cheers...

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:31 | Report Abuse

hi davesingh.....i think you are in the right direction.....shouldn't drain out yr energy on unproductive argument!! Congrat!!

davesingh

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Posted by davesingh > 2013-01-08 18:32 | Report Abuse

hi datuk.. will do.. thanks...

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:34 | Report Abuse

One of the good method in discover the hidden gems is to categorize your finding into the specific theme:

i) Asset stock

ii) Growth stock

iii) Cyclical stock

iv) Mismanagement stock

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:37 | Report Abuse

Take for instance....asset theme....the value of its asset is yet to revalue or realize.....Daiman......NTA is about rm5....but the real value of its NTA is more than rm20..........most asset is located in sri iskandar......

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 18:37 | Report Abuse

Sir, shouldnt there be a fifth category ...
Recovery stocks

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:39 | Report Abuse

the cyclical stock is oledi cover the recovery stock. Remember ...the mismatch between value and price equation???

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2013-01-08 18:40 | Report Abuse

Posted by datuk > Jan 8, 2013 06:08 PM
KC......if you have done your research well.....you won't be surprised by the mistake made by the so called institutional players.

datuk, i would like to take the opportunity here to clarify something here.
No I can't do my so called research well enough. Heck I a just a small retail investor living far away from home trying to invest in Bursa. How much thing i can get besides all published available information from Bursa?

Are you saying that institutional investors are not in the hidden gem companies yet as "they made mistake" of not knowing the good intrinsic value of the hidden gem? Because if they are in already, that they didn't make any mistake, did they? And as I said the price would have been almost reflected its intrinsic value already, won't they?

tonylim

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Posted by tonylim > 2013-01-08 18:40 | Report Abuse

Ok. Somehow linked to your story on white knight.

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:42 | Report Abuse

THis is the perfect timing to describe the cyclical stock....steel stock.....as long as you are in this industry.....inevitable....the performance is either in red...or profit in dropping trend.....sure follow by the drop in price......the seed for the formation of hidden gems has been laying down......and .......

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2013-01-08 18:44 | Report Abuse

Him tonylim.....better keep my mouth shut..otherwise..the white knight will becoming white elephant! hehehehhe

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