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When crude oil plunged from a high of USD115 from June 2014 to less than USD30 within a year or so, the share price of Favco, with its major business involved in supplying cranes to the oil and gas industries, fell sharply too in tandem from the adjusted price of RM3.80 less than three years ago, to a low of RM2.30, or 40%, before recovering to RM2.58 on the close just before the Chinese New Year on 27th January 2017 as shown in Figure 1 below.

Figure 1: Share price movement of FAVCO

Is there a good opportunity to invest in Favco at this price of RM2.58?

The inclusion of FAVCO as one of my stock picks in i3investor for 2017 as shown in this link here represent my point of view.

http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/pfs/71070.jsp

The secret of success in investing is to buy good companies when they are selling cheap

 

The Business

Favelle Favco Berhad (Favco) is involved in the designing, manufacturing, supply, servicing, trading and renting of cranes. Favco offers four types of cranes: tower cranes, which are used in dam building, bridge building, shipyards, power plants and high rise structures; offshore cranes, which are used on platforms, on jack-up barges, on vessels and submersibles; crawler cranes, which are used in general construction work sites and pipe laying works, and wharf cranes, which are used in shipyards, bulk handling terminals and general purpose terminals.

FAVCO’s revenue has been relying more on contracts for supplying of offshore cranes for oil and gas companies for the last few years. Most companies which are related to the oil and gas industry has suffered somewhat due to the abrupt plunge in crude oil price. Favco is not an exception, with its revenue plunged by double digits, and seriously and adversely affecting its bottom line.

Brent crude oil price has since recovered to about USD56 now, about doubled from its lowest, following the recent OPEC agreement on production cut. This may imply that the worst for oil prices is now behind us and a gradual resumption in oil and gas activities is likely. This gives some breathing space to the O&G companies. Most analysts are projecting the oil price will stay around this level for some time.  This will auger well for FAVCO.

Besides, there seems to be increased activities in the USA in line with the improvement of the economy in general, and the construction industry in particular, including that of Malaysia. In the last two months, FAVCO has received purchase orders for supply of tower and offshore cranes amounting to RM134m, bringing the total order book to about RM750m, to be completed by year 2017.

 

Quality of Business

FAVCO has been in the crane business for a long time before Muhibbah Engineering acquired it about 20 years ago. There is always demand for cranes in the offshore oil and gas and construction industry, locally and abroad. Hence this business is likely to last for some time to come. 

Let us first look at the quantitative aspects of the quality of the business of FAVCO. I separate the quality of a business into three categories; Profitability and growth, Return on capitals and cash flows.

 

Profitability and growth

For the past 9 years, up to 31st December 2015, Favco’s revenue has been increasing steadily from RM358m in 2006 to RM792m, or a good compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) of 8.2% as shown in Table 1 in the appendix.  Operating and Net profit have increased by much higher CAGR of 22.4% and 28.4% respectively to RM113m andRM94m respectively, due to margins expansion. It has been having stable earnings all this while and has had not a single year of losses.

There is a clear expansion of margins over the years. Operating margin increased from just 5.1% nine years ago to 14.1% in 2015; and net profit margin improved many folds from just 2.8% in 2006 to 11.8% now. Both the recent operating and net profit margins have improved to double digits, in contrast to the margins of most other construction companies.

With the plunge in oil price and shrinking order from O&G sector, the most recent trailing twelve months’ revenue shrank by 16% to RM666m, and a corresponding decrease in profit to RM79m. Earnings per share, however, is still commendable at 35 sen.

At RM2.58 now, FAVCO is trading at a reasonably low price-to-earnings ratio of just 7.4.

 

Return on capital

Return on equity (ROE) of Favco goes up in tandem with the increase in revenue and profit margins. In the last 5 years, ROEs were all over 15%, way above its cost in equity of about 10% as shown in Table 1 in the Appendix.  Net cash has built up to RM300m, and a net cash holding of RM1.36 per share now, from a net debt position since 6 years ago, all from the internally generated earnings from its ordinary operations.

Taking into considerations of the investment from the debt holders, and netting off excess cash not needed for the operations, the return on invested capitals (ROIC) is much higher at 27% for the latest 12 months, easily doubling its weighted average costs of capitals, up from just 6.9% 9 years ago.

The beauty of this business is it is able to grow RM1 in a year, just by using RM3.64 of capital!

That was half of the story (the goodness part) of why FAVCO was chosen as one of my stock picks in i3investor for 2017, the identification of a good company, as defined by Joel Greenblatt in his Magic Formula Investing, as shown in the link below.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/113511.jsp

Of course, the “Return” in the ROE and ROIC is the return, or earnings in the future which is relevant, not the past. History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes. The pertinent question is, what is the likelihood that its future earnings will continue to deteriorate unabated from the present level now?

 

Cash flow

Revenue is vanity. Profit is sanity. Cash is reality.”

In investing, everyone chases “earnings”, including all the analysts and investment bankers. Few people care about cash flows. I have read and seen enough cases that just purely basing on “earnings” in investing, without looking at other things can yield disastrous results. Hence for me, I place great emphasis in the quality of earnings as articulated in this article, “Investing in Bursa, Cash is King”,

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/93172.jsp

I have added just one check, the metrics of cash yield to augment the Magic Formula Investing in my selection of FAVCO, to put in equal emphasis on cash flows and free cash flows.

For the latest annual financial results ended December 31st 2015, net income for FAVCO is RM94m while its cash flows from operations (CFFO) is 72% more at RM161m as shown in Table 2 in the Appendix. This signifies the good quality of its earnings. It spent a considerable amount of money in capital expenses of RM24.4m, or 27% of its net operating profit after tax (NOPAT), some to reduce its short-term debt, and yet there is still abundant free cash flow, FCF, of RM137m left. This FCF is a high 17% of revenue and a whopping 50% of invested capital (IC), in hard cash. It is from this FCF that RM26.3m, or 15 sen a share, was paid out as dividends last year, or a pay-out ratio of just 28%, and yet plenty is left in the balance sheet for future dividends and growth.

Over the last 5 years, Favco has produced a total FCF of RM404m which it used to pay down its debts, invest in profitable ventures and paying dividends to shareholders. What a cash generating machine is Favco!

 

From the three measures above; Profitability and growth, return on capitals and cash flows, it is undeniable that Favco has been a good company which has shown to perform very well in for the past. A company with the same management which has been performing very well in the past is likely to do well in the future too, compared to one which has not shown to be so.

But more importantly, is it a great investment investing in it at RM2.58 apiece now?

A good company is not necessary a good investment if the price is not right.”

 

Some Simple Valuation of Favco

Table 3 below shows some simple valuation metrics for Favco with its closing price of RM2.58 on 29th January 2017.

Table 3: Some simple valuation metrics for Favco

The attractiveness of investing in Favco is its cheap market valuation in every aspect, firm wise or equity wise as shown in Table 3 above. Despite its reasonably good return on capitals, stable earnings and cash flows as described above, its market valuations are all below some relatively stringent benchmarks. The PE ratio of just 7.2 and enterprise value only 3.3 times its earnings before interest and tax, or earnings yield of 30%, is particularly attractive.

The Cash Yield of 11.8% will straightaway make it a No-Brainer Investment as described in this link.

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/93172.jsp

And this is basing on its average free cash flows of RM67.4m for the last 5 years, although its FCF for the most recent year is RM136.7m.

Its price-to-book value is also very cheap at 1.0. It is hard to find one company which has stable earnings and cash flows, and yet selling at a price-to-book at unity.

Another low risk feature of Favco is with 15 sen dividend, its high dividend yield of 5.8%, with a pay-out ratio of just 43%, provides regular good income to investors, much better than bank interest rate, while still leaving substantial amount of earnings for future growth. Besides, it has net cash holding equivalent to RM1.36 per share, providing sustainability to its future dividend payment.

If one assumes the future resembles the past, the above market valuation of Favco clearly shows that it is undervalued at the present price of RM2.58. It is really hard to find a good stock selling at such enticing valuations out there now.

 

Earnings Power Valuation of Favco

Earnings Power Value (EPV) was postulated by a Columbia University Professor Bruce Greenwald. It is an estimate of the value of a company from its ongoing operations only without any growth. First we would assume that current revenue is sustainable. We then normalize the earnings to the business cycle. This eliminates the effects on profitability of valuing the firm at different points in the business cycle. This means that we are considering the average % operating profit over 5-8 years. This average would then be applied to current sales. 

The beauty of EPV, for value investors, is that the numbers used to calculate it are no growth FCF. By using no growth FCF, we eliminate the predictions of future growth and as such arrive at a number which we can be fairly certain of. This isn't to say that some companies can't expect significant growth, but as value investors we refuse to pay for it.

In this method, we still need to have a weighted average cost of capital (WACC) to be used as a capitalized rate. As almost all the capital in the company is that of the equity shareholders, a rate of 10%, 6.5% over the fixed deposit rate of 3.5% is used.

Table 4 in the Appendix shows the step-by-step EPV for Favco. We start from the trailing twelve months’ revenue of RM666m as the base of estimation, and using the average earnings before interest and tax, or ebit margin for the last 10 years of 11.4%. It is assumed the long-term tax rate is 24%, although it is paying only a tax rate of 10% now.

 

Disregarding any future growth, not even growth according to inflation, or the growth of GDP, the capitalized earnings (Ebit/WACC) of Favco is worth RM550m. After adding back the excess cash and other investments, and deducting the total debt, the EPV of FAVCO is RM866m, or RM3.91 a share. The EPV of FAVCO is 52% above its price of RM2.58. The margin of safety is a high of 34%, which is above my 30% requirement, even with this conservative EPV which ignores any growth in the future.

 

Conclusions

Favco appears to be a good quality company with resilient and easy-to-understand businesses which should last for some time to come. It has long history of stable earnings and cash flows. Revenue and earnings have been growing steadily for the last 10 years. It has an excellent set of balance sheet with abundant cash and little debt. The investment thesis of Favco lies in its characteristics of a good company, low market valuations and its high intrinsic value obtained from a conservative discount cash flow analysis using EPV, in relation to its market price. Best of all, it pays out good and increasing dividends over the years. At RM2.58, its dividend yield is high at 5.8%, much higher than bank fixed deposit. Its high net cash holding is likely to provide the sustainability of the high dividend payment.

With some new contracts procurement and prospect of improving oil prices ahead, Favco provides a good investment opportunity.

Investing in a good company of FAVCO at a low price fits the principle of the Magic Formula Investing. It also satisfies the Dhandho Principle of Investing of Mohnish Pabarai,

“Heads we win big; Tails we don’t lose much”    

That is why FAVCO is a pick in my i3investor for 2017.

K C Chong at ckci3invest@gmail.com

 

Appendix

 

Table 1: Operating performance of FAVCO

 

Table 2: Cash flows of FAVCO

 

Table 4: Earnings Power Valuation

 

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VenFx

Favco a very good proxy in heavy equipment design and manufacturer .

2017-01-30 00:54

Tiger_shark

fantastic write up thank you

2017-01-30 05:52

soojinhou

The beauty of Favco is that it allows one to enjoy the recovery in the O&G sector, without being fully exposed to the risk because a significant portion of their order book is from the construction company.

2017-01-30 06:46

Ntpboon

除了渐渐复苏的油气行业,
FAVCO 也将会从区域基础设施的蓬勃发展中受益。
值得期待!

2017-01-30 09:05

supersaiyan3

朋友,低處未見低。

2017-01-30 09:17

supersaiyan3

營業額插水,你買埋我固(口旁)份。

Revenue is shrinking every month, what did they do? That's the real question.

2017-01-30 09:29

CharlesT

Everything seems good except sales are coming down....

2017-01-30 09:40

wkitwing

what concerns me is its revenue keep on decreasing,kcchongnz sifu would you please clarify on this shrinking sales every month?

2017-01-30 09:55

Flintstones

Kcchongz knows only the numbers. He who extrapolates the past knows nothing about the future undertakings of the business. In the business world, it is easy to con people like kcchongz. You just show him a few years of financial reports with good numbers and tadaa! Hes conned!

2017-01-30 10:02

kcchongnz

Posted by wkitwing > Jan 30, 2017 09:55 AM | Report Abuse
what concerns me is its revenue keep on decreasing,kcchongnz sifu would you please clarify on this shrinking sales every month?


Everybody knows the revenue of FAVCO has been decreasing for the last few quarters. But that is the first level thinking.

In investing, you need the second level thinking. It is, yes, its revenue has been dropping, profit has also been dropping. Its share price has also dropped substantially, and many people are selling. At this price now, considering it has secured some jobs, and construction industry has been doing well, and oil price seems rebounding, is this price reasonable? What is its estimated intrinsic value? What is the margin of safety? Has the share price dropped substantially below its intrinsic value.

That is the second level thinking.

The second level thinking is not how good one predicts the future, as few can predict the future well consistently. That is the pitch of the snake oil salesman like the one below.

"Posted by Flintstones > Jan 30, 2017 10:02 AM | Report Abuse
Kcchongz knows only the numbers. He who extrapolates the past knows nothing about the future undertakings of the business. In the business world, it is easy to con people like kcchongz. You just show him a few years of financial reports with good numbers and tadaa! Hes conned!"

2017-01-30 10:57

ckkhen

Excellent write-up and very good clarification to wktwing and Flinstones. Nice to learn about second level thinking in investment.

2017-01-30 11:21

Flintstones

Well, i will leave it to other members imagination on who is the snake oil salesman here. It seems that i am not the one selling lessons, subscriptions or managed accounts. And please dont crap here with the howard marks theory. I have read the book as well and sincerely, i dont think your "extrapolate the past" analysis fulfills any of his second level thinking.

Let me show you whats second level thinking by posing a few questions to you. How much do you know about favelle favco business? What is their competitive advantage? Who are the major competitors of favelle favco? What is the "current" landscape of the crane industry and where does favelle stand? What is favelle favco management doing to embrace the slowing orderbook ahead? What is the current available crane capacity in Asia right now? Is crane rental rate increasing or decreasing lately?

That my friend, is second level thinking. I am sorry to embarass you because we all know what you will claim when you dont know. And here comes kcchongz infamous - "I cant predict the future". Lmao. On a side note, if you are interested to learn about favelle favco business. I can arrange you a coffee session with the executive director of favelle favco, free of charge.

2017-01-30 11:25

probability

Flintstone...seems like u really have an advantage...i think your are already at 'third' level thinking already - access to the top most level information. Do share with all if u think FF has any -/+ info we are all not aware.

2017-01-30 11:33

soojinhou

Yes Flintstones, why don't you write something more substantial? Ricky did a good piece about the industry: http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/JTYeo/90401.jsp, how about you writing an even better piece?

2017-01-30 11:40

gongkia

when tips are out, it's over.

2017-01-30 12:01

kcchongnz

Posted by Flintstones > Jan 30, 2017 11:25 AM | Report Abuse

Well, i will leave it to other members imagination on who is the snake oil salesman here. It seems that i am not the one selling lessons, subscriptions or managed accounts. And please dont crap here with the howard marks theory. I have read the book as well and sincerely, i dont think your "extrapolate the past" analysis fulfills any of his second level thinking.

A SNAKE OIL SALESMAN IS ONE WHO CLAIMS THAT HE CAN SEE THE FUTURE LIKE THE ONE I HAVE JUST MENTIONED. BUT DOES HE? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE FROM HIM YET.

WHEN SOMEONE EARNS AN HONEST LIVING, TEACHING SOMETHING USEFUL FOR LIFE, AND MOST BENEFIT FROM IT, AT A LOW AND AFFORDABLE COST, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT? WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT?

REALLY, YOU HAVE READ THE BOOK BY HOWARD MARKS AND UNDERSTAND IT?

Let me show you whats second level thinking by posing a few questions to you. How much do you know about favelle favco business? What is their competitive advantage? Who are the major competitors of favelle favco? What is the "current" landscape of the crane industry and where does favelle stand? What is favelle favco management doing to embrace the slowing orderbook ahead? What is the current available crane capacity in Asia right now? Is crane rental rate increasing or decreasing lately?

I DO NOT DISPUTE IT IS GOOD TO KNOW ALL THE ABOVE. BUT DOES HOWARD MARKS TELLS YOU THAT YOU MUST KNOW ALL THE ABOVE IN HIS SECOND LEVEL THINKING? WHICH CHAPTER AND WHICH PASSAGE IS THAT?

THIS IS WHAT HOWARD MARKS SAYS ABOUT SECOND LEVEL THINKING WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AS FAR AS I HAVE READ,

First level thinking says, “It’s good company; let’s buy the stock.”
Second level thinking says, “It’s a good company, but everyone thinks it’s a great company, and it’s not. So the stock’s overrated and overpriced; let’s sell.”
First level thinking is simplistic and superficial, and just about everyone can do it. All the first-level thinker needs is an opinion about the future.
Second level thinker is deep, complex and convoluted.
Second Level Thinking
1. What is the range of likely future outcome?
2. Which outcome do I think will occur?
3. What is the probability that I’m right?
4. What does the consensus think?
5. How does my expectation differ from the consensus?
6. How does the current price for the asset comport with the consensus view of the future, and with mine?
7. Is the consensus psychology that’s incorporated in the price too bullish or bearish?
8. What will happen to the asset’s price if the consensus turns out to be right, and what if I’m right?
You can’t do the same things others do and expect to outperform.: to achieve superior investment results, you have to hold non-consensus views regarding value, and they have to be accurate. That’s not easy.



That my friend, is second level thinking. I am sorry to embarass you because we all know what you will claim when you dont know. And here comes kcchongz infamous - "I cant predict the future". Lmao. On a side note, if you are interested to learn about favelle favco business. I can arrange you a coffee session with the executive director of favelle favco, free of charge.

YOU EMBARRASS ME? I DON'T THINK YOU REACH THAT STANDARD YET.

SHOWING THAT YOU KNOW THE ED OF FAVCO? WHAT IS THE POINT?

2017-01-30 12:15

SureBankrupt

Can ask employees to cut pay?

Posted by supersaiyan3 > Jan 30, 2017 09:29 AM | Report Abuse

營業額插水,你買埋我固(口旁)份。
Revenue is shrinking every month, what did they do? That's the real question.

2017-01-30 13:04

Equityengineer

The only catalyst for increase in Favco price is OnG sector. The reduction in oil output, how can it be a catalyst for OnG construction company. New orders will be deplete since less oil should be pumped out.
"The decrease in profit before tax for the Group was mainly due to decrease in sales which is in line with industry climate and order book".

The stock price may be undervalue and the metrics can prove it, but the upside is still in increase of sales

They have some contracts for this year for tower crane amounting about 130 mil..
Personally, its really tough to say to buy even the price have rose a bit since i first looking at the stock at 2.40.

2017-01-30 13:42

supersaiyan3

《誰偷走了我的乳酪?》

I read a little bit on what its competitors are doing. They are rather busy. And rather horrible!

Pass!

2017-01-30 13:44

wkitwing

Equityengineer The only catalyst for increase in Favco price is OnG sector. The reduction in oil output, how can it be a catalyst for OnG construction company. New orders will be deplete since less oil should be pumped out.
"The decrease in profit before tax for the Group was mainly due to decrease in sales which is in line with industry climate and order book".

The stock price may be undervalue and the metrics can prove it, but the upside is still in increase of sales

They have some contracts for this year for tower crane amounting about 130 mil..
Personally, its really tough to say to buy even the price have rose a bit since i first looking at the stock at 2.40.
30/01/2017 13:42

kcchongnz sifu,would you mind comment on the above by our fellow equityengineer?

2017-01-31 05:16

kcchongnz

Posted by wkitwing > Jan 31, 2017 05:16 AM | Report Abuse
Equityengineer The only catalyst for increase in Favco price is OnG sector. The reduction in oil output, how can it be a catalyst for OnG construction company. New orders will be deplete since less oil should be pumped out.
"The decrease in profit before tax for the Group was mainly due to decrease in sales which is in line with industry climate and order book".
The stock price may be undervalue and the metrics can prove it, but the upside is still in increase of sales
They have some contracts for this year for tower crane amounting about 130 mil..
Personally, its really tough to say to buy even the price have rose a bit since i first looking at the stock at 2.40.
30/01/2017 13:42
kcchongnz sifu,would you mind comment on the above by our fellow equityengineer?


Equityenginer certainly has his valid concern about that to invest in FAVCO, it must have increasing sales in order for the price to shoot up.

For me, my investing thesis of investing in FAVCO, if you read carefully, is based on its present. It is undervalued based on its present financial performance and financial position. Hence as long as the business of FAVCO does not deteriorate further and badly from this point, I should be getting satisfactory return in the long-term.

I am not looking for fast return, but it also doesn't mean that won't come.

2017-01-31 07:50

Caseyi3

KC thanks for the great analysis. The assumptions used in EPV have been particularly useful to me. Though I've known about the great financials of Favco for a while, the huge excess capacity in O&G sector has been discouraging me from taking a position. I feel a greater sense of comfort after reading your detailed analysis. Nobody knows the future, but management track record, strong financials and wide margin of safety tilt the probaility more to the positive side.

2017-01-31 10:13

Jay

good analysis, just a few points to consider

1. declining orderbook
this is where a lot of investors are concerned about, an analysis of historical order book to revenue to gauge the impact of the smaller orderbook on future revenue would be good. estimated PE would be more relevant than historical PE

2. use of cash
all EV measures looks low when a company has a lot of cash. good thing about FF is they are paying good dividend but they did mention for a long time that they plan to acquire other companies. that's why they set aside the cashpile. so if they do announce a sizeable acquisition, would the investment thesis change? and idle cash not used efficiently does not create much value either

2017-01-31 19:07

Ntpboon

见仁见智!
“师父领进门,修行在个人。”

2017-01-31 20:20

paperplane2016

Jay got good points

2017-02-01 01:55

kcchongnz

Posted by Jay > Jan 31, 2017 07:07 PM | Report Abuse
good analysis, just a few points to consider
1. declining orderbook
this is where a lot of investors are concerned about, an analysis of historical order book to revenue to gauge the impact of the smaller orderbook on future revenue would be good. estimated PE would be more relevant than historical PE
2. use of cash
all EV measures looks low when a company has a lot of cash. good thing about FF is they are paying good dividend but they did mention for a long time that they plan to acquire other companies. that's why they set aside the cashpile. so if they do announce a sizeable acquisition, would the investment thesis change? and idle cash not used efficiently does not create much value either


Good comments. Thank you.

I have read some of your analysis and report. Your analysis and report are very thorough, and very good indeed.

This are my opinions:

1) Detailed analysis is definitely good as one should look at every angle possible when investing. However, how detail one can go into depends on many factors; how familiar he is in that particular sector, how much information he has, which profession he is in (investment bankers and analysts are professionals in this as they can get all information easily and they are full time, often just in analysis of one industry), and most of all, how much time he has, and willing to devote to it.

But sometimes the law of diminishing return comes in too and one has to make a choice.

2)Cash in balance sheet is a safety buffer when investing, best of all you don't have to pay for it. Two exactly similar companies, one with excess cash and the other none, definitely the one with excess cash is a better company to invest in, no matter how the management uses the cash.

For example, if you are a dividend yield investor, that definitely gives you great peace of mine that dividend is likely to be sustainable. How is this cash utilize, unfortunately it is the prerogative of the management. Management can also takes on new investments when good ones come along, hopefully they don't simply make acquisitions just to build a bigger empire, and destroying shareholder values.

2017-02-01 07:56

stockmanmy

An excellent effort.

I will say this belongs to the top 10 percentile proposition.

But I still prefer KYY golden rule.....don't touch any thing unless you are absolutely sure this year makes more money than last year., better still buy game changers that will disrupt and change the whole industry.

You see, every investment I make is an opportunity cost with it. I cannot buy every thing that is good and cheap.

2017-02-01 10:52

stockmanmy

Dynamic investing as opposed to value investing means I need to look for some thing I dare to sailang with it.

I have to ask.....is this some thing I can sailang?

2017-02-01 10:56

VenFx

Stockmanmy, buy ViS and hoot kaw kaw.
Make this Rooster 2017 your ever profit year.
Like I try to ask u to buy in Jhm in 2016.

Whish u a frenz and healthy year ahead.
Perrish the opportunity, simple yet this is a free advise.

I has been try to lead u to Mfcb, while u write an article in Jaks.
Check Mfcb warrant , it has surge higher than Jaks.

HAAPY NEW YEAR 2017

2017-02-01 11:05

stockmanmy

Honestly I have no idea what is VIS, and have not bothered to find out.

I think we operate in different universe.

I prefer KYY universe where things I buy are based on public information.....I cannot be comfortable with non public information or rumors or pure speculations.

2017-02-01 11:12

VenFx

Hahaha, as predicted.
It's your choice, I must respect that.
Whish u doing good in Rooster Reban anyway.

2017-02-01 11:16

VenFx

I wont simply sale a call.
The fact sharing has been in my earlier comments in ViS thread.
ViS is my major counter in 2017.

2017-02-01 11:20

stockmanmy

ven

I promised myself never to criticise your choices again after your Proton contractor makes you multiple baggers...or to bet against you ...its just too weird for me. ..and your VIS up so much in a few weeks.

But, we do operate from different universe.

2017-02-01 11:33

VenFx

Appreciate that, I believe Rooster is a better year ahead.
恭喜发财

2017-02-01 12:06

stockmanmy

two roosters ago, it was 1993............!

its abalone and a life of exuberance for some...and suicide for others.

people of my age remembers 1993 well.

history repeats?

2017-02-01 12:18

VenFx

Don't worry wor,
market still sound and healthy as long there are no overly ecstasy.
Furthermore, free counters no worry la.

2017-02-01 12:42

stockmanmy

the dichotomy

cheap stuffs are never good stuffs
good stuffs are never cheap

reminds me of the house in Bangsar I did not buy years ago.

still want to be value investors? or dynamic investors?

2017-02-01 14:46

stockmanmy

the more variables, the more murky the valuations.

stock picking like wife picking

you want a cheap wife or a wife you love?

2017-02-01 15:15

stockmanmy

the more variables, the more murky the valuations.

Let's look at gold or oil, a commodity.

There is easy reference and only one variable.

But a share or a wife, there are many variables

What is cheap what is expensive is not so clear cut.

2017-02-02 07:34

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