THE INVESTMENT APPROACH OF CALVIN TAN

THE ASIAN FINANCIAL CRISIS (1997 – 1998) – Why It Hit Johor Hardest! (Further comment by Calvin Tan

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Publish date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017, 02:25 AM
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Hi Guys,

I have An Investment Approach I which I would like to all.

As early as 1995 there were warnings that the  Malaysia Economy is OVERHEATING. What is An Overheating Economy? Let me illustrate by a costly  lesson learnt from experience – or  inexperience.  In 1979 I got my driving license  on the 1st test.  While ferrying children to Church the car stalled.

I started the engine again, droved another hundred feet and the engine dies off again. I repeated this several times till  the engine completely stopped and wouldn’t start anymore.The car was towed to a workshop. The mechanic asked me, “Did you put water into the radiator? “For what use is water, the car only run on petrol?” I protested.  I was a dumb newbie, you see. “Well the water in the radiator is to cool down the engine – to  prevent the engine from Overheating”. “Oh, I see – nobody  ever told me that there is such a thing called engine Overheating.”

There was OVERHEATNG IN MALAYSIAN  ECONOMY – It Reaches  Into Almost All Area Of Economic Activites. The Stock Market – 2nd  Board especially shot up into Big Bubble territory. In Kuala Lumpur,   Mr. Lee of  Lee Motor Company would book 3 batches of 50  Proton cars.  He later sells them  at RM3,000 to RM5,000 marked up Prices For New Protons. The demand is SO HOT for New Protons that the Normal Waiting time is up to 8 months. For some models One Year waiting period.

Why? Because 2 Hand Car Dealers Are Placing Fleet Bookings For All Available New Cars & Cornered the Market. If you want FAST Delivery you  have to pay between RM3k to 5k extra.   For PROTON PERDANA (Top Model)   IT WAS AN EXORBITANT RM10,000! This new phenomena happened in most Major Towns in Malaysia.

Mr. Ho of SP Motor (Kuala Lumpur) brought me to his 1st Floor Office and showed me his newly Renovated Office. The cost –  Rm50,000. He told me it’s All Free. I asked him, “How?”. “Well I won it from playing the Stock Market.” he replied.  Mr. Ho had altogether 9 SP Motor Branches employing 70 workers.

Over In Batu Pahat, Johor  Is  Mr. N  of  N Motor (Name not mentioned.)  In any typical month he sold about 70 cars, averaging RM3,000 profit a car. That’s RM200,000 profit a month. He is the top or among the top rich Car Dealer in Batu Pahat, Johor.

Not contented, he expanded into the sale of reconditioned Mercedes from Japan. As for Capital he had full borrowing rights.  There is Floor Stocking Facility whereby if a Car is Worth RM100,000, you can borrow up to 90% (RM90,000).

With the RM90K you can buy another car at RM90k and borrow another RM81k , then you can use the same borrowed money to repeat the same process again and again.  In Johor State, especially Johor Baru, Car Dealers borrow up to their nose (so to say) in their business venture.

THEY ARE VERY HIGHLY LEVERAGED. With RM1 Million Cash A Car Dealer Can Stock Cars Worth RM10 Millions – RM15 Millions (Almost All On Borrowed Money!)  Since the people of Johor are more highly geared than KL or Penang, when the Asian Financial Crisis Hits, It Hit Johor the Hardest.

Most Car Dealers Also Own Multiple Properties. All on Borrowed Money. This is Really Overheating In these GO- GO YEARS!  These went on merrily, merrily until –

THE ASIAN FINANCIAL CRISIS HIT LIKE A FINANCIAL TORNADO!!

THERE IS NO WHERE TO HIDE AT ALL!

THE RINGGIT COLLAPSED  FROM US$1 to RM2.40 to US$1 to RM4.50 (A Crash of 80%). On July 2nd 1997  George Soros attacked the Thai Bath and contagion spread to the Ringgit, The Korean Won, the Indonesia Rupiah & a lesser effect The Sing dollar.

Someone in KL went to the Bank to exchange some ringgit for her children studying oversea. The Bank Officer told her that the ringgit has crashed and the cause was by a man named Soros.  SOROS sounded like SOR LOW (in Cantonese)  meaning “Stupid or Mad fellow”. “How can a stupid or mad person caused the ringgit to loose so much of its value.” she protested.

George Soros, who broke the bank of England is one of the smartest currency traders in the world. He sold the yen on hearing Abenomics. He sold his gold holdings just before it crashed below US1400.  He is calling  for a Short on the Aussie Dollar. And he may well be right again this round. His timing is impeccable.

If this is true, then avoid buying  Aussie Properties or Assets or even Aussie dollars at this time.  They might go Into A FREE FALL. On a recent visit to Perth in 2010 people are asking around A$1,500,000 for a 6,000 sg ft bungalow in Perth – up 10 times since the last recession. At this juncture, it is a high risk to buy anything Australia – be it property or currency.

Coming back to The Asian Financial Crisis. With the Crash of The Ringgit, the Stock Market followed. It went down All the Way From A Height of 1332 points to a low of 262 points (A Drop of 81%). Then The Housing Bubble Burst! And property prices fell, rental also fell.

Over in Singapore we just sold our HDB Flat and scouting around for a place to rent.  A proud lady told us that her 5 room HDB Flat tenancy is S$1,600 a month- take it or leave it. Then my wife called, “We found a place in HUME PARK 1, Bukit Timah going for S$1,500 a month. It has a huge swimming pool with 2 free car parks. Next year in 1999 the rental was further reduced to S$1,300! (It was previously tenanted to an european expat for S$3,000}

With The 80% Collapse of the Ringgit Value, the 81% Collapse of KLSE Index the Collapse of Property Prices Begin In Earnest.  Then  Followed by a 70% Collapse in Car Prices (How do you know? I was a Car Dealer for 20 years).  There is really no where to hide. If you keep money in property, property prices crashed by up  to 80%.

If your keep your money in cash, ringgit devalued by 80% If you buy shares (you might have lost 81%). What about cars?  Car prices also crashed by a huge margin.  Before the crisis a PEUGEOT 505SR is worth RM40,000. After the crisis prices have fallen to a low of RM12,000 –  a crash of 70%!

LIKE A SWEEPING FINANCIAL TORNADO DEVASTATION IS EVERY WHERE!

Mr. Lee, Mr. Ho & Mr. N disappeared and went into hiding. Let me relate that we might learn and not repeat their mistakes.

Mr. Lee’s 2nd Hand Car Business was badly affected. At least he is able to clear his remaing stock. But he said EON Factory will not reimburse him  the 50 or more new cars which he  had paid booking fees. At this time when no one is buying any new cars it is better to forgo the deposits. Since his capital is borrowed he gone into hiding.

Mr. Ho of SP MOTOR  speculated in the Stock Market. When the Stock Market crashed he wanted to sell his cars and told me to give value. Cars purchased at RM50k had outstanding loan of RM35K.

Since actual market value had fallen below RM30k, no dealer will buy his cars. Only banks will repossess  them  then auction them off and sue him for the outstanding balance.

As for his shops the banks have stopped or reduced lending. As a last resort he went to the loan sharks.  Finally the shops were force sold to the Ah Longs (Loan sharks) at their terms. I was curious and went to see these loan sharks.

To my surprise they look like any ordinary  business men. I thought they might look menacing or have horns on their head. Never, never borrow from loan sharks – with the multiplication of interest upon interest you can never extricate yourself from them. In the end Mr. Ho fled and went into hiding.

Over in Batu Pahat Mr. N, too,  went to the loan sharks. Since the loan syndicate saw his Mercedes in his showroom they gladly lend him money at the monthly rate of 6% interest  (Monthly 6% not yearly 6%,  mind you) . As he borrowed more and more hundred thousand each time interest rate was raised to 8% a month.

Finally when interest rate was raised to 10% per month he told the loan shark he might one day run away. They didn’t believe him.  They saw the Cars in his showroom but did not know that everything – cars, office and all are charged to the bank. Finally the inevitable end of the end game arrived. Without leaving a word to his staff or family Mr. N disappeared.

THE ASIAN FINANCIAL CRISIS WENT ON WITHOUT MERCY.

At many Used Car Dealership Bank  Officers Took Charge Over The Sale Of Every Car; while the Used Car Bosses sat watching in despair.  All the Inventory Sold are insufficient to cover the losses. You see,  in economic term they all All Under Water. The Value of Everything – houses and cars have Fallen below loan margin.

Compounded with these problems people are spreading rumour that some banks might fail.  MAYBANK Share price crashed to a low of RM2.50 (From over RM20 to Rm 2.50 – A Crash of Almost 90%!)

And Anwar Ibrahim being the finance minister then, wanted to go to the IMF. With so much uncertainty, panic & fear Dr. Mahathir implemented Capital Control & resisted IMF.  Instantly the bleeding stopped. Stock Market stopped falling & slowly recovered.

INDONESIA & KOREA WENT TO THE IMF FOR HELP

Even with the Help of IMF Suharto Fell. The impoverised Indonesians could not survive below One  US dollar a day.  Many plundered the rich Chinese. Seeing this the S’PORE GOVT gave RM5 Billion aid to Indonesia.  Many Korean Assets were sold at Fire Sale prices to US Companies. IMF means different things to different people.

  1. For Suharto IMF means  “I Am Fallen”.
  2. For Mahathir: “I Am Fine”
  3. For Anwar, “I Am Fired
  4. For Korean Company bosses, “I Am Finished”
  5. To poor Indonesians, “I Am Famished”.
  6. To Indonesian Chinese, “I Am Fearful”.
  7. For Singapore Govt, “I Am Friendly”
  8. For Thousands of Business Men, “I Am Failing”
  9. For Those Owing Loan Sharks, “I Am Fleeing””
  10. To countless multitude, “I Am Forsaken”

As For The Americans, they do the Very Opposite of what they advocate.  Through IMF they told Asian Nations to Stop Lending & Raise Interest Rates, Raise taxes, Raise Petrol Prices.

THE US THROUGH QE 1, QE 2 LEND FREE MONEY TO BANKS. INTEREST RATES IS SUPRESSED TO ZERO.

QE or Quantitative Easing or Bond Buying or Money Printing Is The Financial Life Support System  For The  Dying  US  Economy. Without QE the Entire US Banking System & Wall Street Will Collapse. It is the Air that Reflate the US and by proxy The Entire World System Today. Nobody has the Ultimate Answer  as to how  perpetual QE will lead to. What is the final end of the end game in QE?

Since The Future Ahead Is Fraud With Danger, Marc Faber, the wise & witty economist advocate 4 classes of Investments  For Capital Protection:-

  • 25%  In Cash Or Bond (Corporate Bond)
  • 25% In Gold (Keep In Banks Outside USA)
  • 25% In Stock (Preferably in Shares of Thailand, Malaysia & Singapore)
  • 25% In Property Or Real Estate.

This is A Balancing Act Between 2 Things Basically – Deflation & Inflation.

In Times of High Inflation Cash Is Trash. In Times of Deflation or Depression Cash Is KING.  Having CASH & GOLD ON THE ONE HAND AND STOCKS  & PROPERTY ON THE OTHER HAND  will Help To Retain Value. This Allocation Method Shows Return OF Capital More Important Than Return ON Capital.

 

Dear Fellow i3 Forumers,

The Edgedaily has an excellent article on THE ASIAN FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 1997 - 1998.

Calvin would like to urge all to get a copy of the latest THEEDGEDAILY and read its warnings.

20 years ago in 1997, July 2nd, I went to Boon Lay Way in Singapore to exchange some ringgit for Sing dollars. Alas! The exchange rate for all other currencies were listed - EXCEPT THE RINGGIT!

There was no quotation for the Malaysian Ringgit & I think the Thai Bath was affected, too, though I cannot recall clearly.

After that the Ringgit Collapsed, KLSE Collapsed, Car Prices Collapsed & Finally the Property Market Also Collapsed.

There was really no escape from this carnage.

 

Now let's take a ride in downtown KL City on one of these days.

Ha! There is very little traffic. KL looks like a deserted country road. Travelling everywhere was a breeze - SEE - NO TRAFFIC JAMS!!

 

Why?

No job. Many companies shuttered. 50 Banks & Financial Imstitutions shrunk to 10 Banks only. Thousands of Companies gone bankrupt. Hundreds of thousands got retrenched ot lost their jobs.

Now Calvin goes to tender Company cars. 10 Company cars were on tender. Ha! No Car Dealers around? All Gone Bankrupt.

Well, there were 4 other people looking at the Company Cars. Oh! These are individuals looking for bargains.

Calvin submitted very very low prices for all 10 Cars. On the day tenders were opened Calvin got 6 Cars. Lost 4 Cars  to 4  different individuals who bought for their own use.

They were all laughing. Why?

The answer is this:

They got their dream cars at up to 70% Discount!!  Wuhuhu!

A Merc Benz before the Asian Financial sold for Rm200,000 could be bought for Rm60,000 then when Bankrupt Companies Forced Fire Sale!

And don't be surprised! As No Banks are Allowed to Give Out Car Loans for Used Cars (for some months).

All Car Dealers Die Standing. How to sell by Cash? Surprise of Surprises!! So many Individuals paid CASH For Their Cars.

Yes, IF YOU HAVE CASH - YOU ARE KING!  FOR IN THE TIME OF DEEPEST RECESSION - CASH IS INDEED KING!

 

And if You Still Got Cash You Could Buy

1) Public Bank at 80 sen

2) Maybank at Rm2.50

3) Tenaga National at Rm2.80

4) Nestle at Rm12.00

Many others fallen to 10 sen , 20 sen or 30 sen shares then. Some on the brink of bankruptcy & insolvency.

Times were really fearful. People avoided the Stock Market for the next decade till year 2006 when there was a boom till 2007 when Lehman Brothers' Debacle Hit Again!  Oh boy!

So now those who have been burnt generally avoid KLSE. That's why BURSA is still dominated by Institutions Buying & Foreign Funds. Retail participation has never recovered back to the Go Go Years of Pre- Asian Financial Crisis.

Now!

Who are these new participants? All young newbies & some seasoned die hard gamblers who survived the Asian Financial Crisis

Memories gone or ignorant of the crisis - those terrible times now faded into misty years long forgotten.

Aha! You guys are totally unprepared if one should strike you unaware.

Better stop now.

Check your steps and ask yourselves, "Are you punting blindly as if there is no crisis ahead? 

I don't know if a crash will come soon or not. Or with QE now the crisis is postponed indefinitely. Or they might continue kicking the can down the road. But be prepared. While you invest - invest defensively.

Remember the words of Sifu Warren Buffet

1) Rule No. One - NEVER TO LOSE MONEY

2) Rule No. 2 is to Remember Rule No. One - NEVER TO LOSE MONEY.

If you cannot - then better keep Cash.

 

Your friend

Calvin

Singapore

 

Discussions
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gohkimhock

i got pwned by Bescorp during the 1997 crisis.

2017-07-18 17:50

3iii

Many who were killed in the 1997/1998 stock market crash dare not venture into the stock market again.

2017-07-18 20:14

calvintaneng

Good evening.

Today is a restfully busy day in Iskandar.

Yes, 3iii is correct.

Mr> N, Mr> Ho & Mr. Lee of Lee Motor, kl (not the Mr. Lee of Sitiawan) do not want to talk about shares today.

Just like those people in Holland.

After being burnt by Tulip Mania the people of Netherlands totally abhor any form of mania or speculation for over 300 hundred years since Tulip mania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

2017-07-18 21:19

calvintaneng

Ooi Teik Bee Dear firehawk,

The storm really hurt me was when Diam was the Finance minister, if i'm not wrong, the index then ~1411 ... days before collapse the index swing triibly (+100 pts, by that time was considered severe). i think this one was prior to the 97/98, i'm not too sure. Since then, I learnt! :)

Ans : This scenario happened at the end of 1993. Daim is not the Finance Minister, he is just an investor. He called investors to get out of market because KLSE is overvalued. It is the start of downtrend after this call, the index dropped 100 points within the same day. He was blamed for this drop because of his call.

You are not wrong, you misquote only.

Thank you.
Ooi
18/07/2017 12:10

Yes Sifu Ooi Teik Bee,

Dr Mahathir has been warning and warning about the Stock Market being unsustainable but no body listened to Dr. M

Then Daim Zainuddin came out with his warning. He said that Market is now too dangerous or something like that. And he said that he only play the market for coffee money only.

After Diam speech Market collapsed!

So they nicknamed him " Diam Daim"

2017-07-18 21:26

calvintaneng

VenFx Calvin bro, this is many hurt stories for some..
but the lessons may prevail them walk a broader pathway i believe.

Good job on this, Calvin .
18/07/2017 15:14

Yes not only hurt.

I saw families broke up.

Mr. N of Batu Pahat lost Rm5 millions & ran away from loan sharks.

He lived like a fugitive at the Thai Border smuggling Thai Rice to Malaysia & smuggling petrol from Malaysia to Thailand.

Once I sat in his Rm500,000 high end Merc Benzin Batu Pahat. I also drove his high power BMw 525i on PLUS HIGHWAY once. I also saw his 2 Bungalow Lands in Taman Soga - the highest peak of Batu Pahat

In the end Mr. N lost everything

2017-07-18 21:32

calvintaneng

ks55 You are wrong.
Anwar was the Finance Minister.
On the day he was removed, KLCI came down to 276, a drop of 78 points.
During that period, everyday 20 to 30 counters came limit down.
Ekran came limit down 7 times straight, from about 6.50 straight down to 67 sen.

People using margin all went bankrupt.........
18/07/2017 11:42

I once visited Sarawak. One evening the driver drove my wife and myself to the seaside in Santubong area.

I was surprised to see the entire stretch lighted up with bright street lights.

They said Ting Pek Khiing built it with his own money.

So in the collapse of Bakun & Ekran at least Ting has used some of his cash for a good purpose in Santubong

2017-07-18 21:41

bgt9963

At that time,some very good goreng stock like Autoways,aokam tin,jasatera,general soil,comsa and many more.....

2017-07-18 21:42

VenFx

I has a fren who throw the dart blindly by juz listening hus Remisier in Labuan , that cause him sold off his Golden triangle land in Kuching, Sandakan & Hong Kong. Else he supposed to be a billionaire by now.

He told me , he was too scared to cut lost... while his Labuan Remisier keep pumping the idea of Gravity that ' A Ping pong ball will bounce higher every time it hit the floor '
That is how he lost everything by collaborate his assets to bank in order to top up his margin account .

Deep down my hard, his Remisier has totally misleading him .

2017-07-18 21:44

calvintaneng

And yes,

During the bullrun in year 1993 every week a dozen or so counters went LIMIT UP.

So in the aftermath of the collapse every week a dozen or more gone LIMIT DOWN

2017-07-18 21:44

3iii

How to survive a market crash? (1) You get killed if you are 100% in stocks just before the crash. (2) Always invest as if the market is going to crash. (3) Will you be alright financially if the market were to crash 50% tomorrow? Essentially, you should know your investment objectives, risk tolerance and your investing time horizon. Your asset allocation to stocks should be also based on your financial capacity. You should only invest in stocks with money that you do not need for the next 5 or more years. If you cannot sleep well because you are over-exposed to stocks, sell them down to your sleeping point (Rothschild). Of course, don't use leverage (margins), you will be killed by these in a severe bear market.

2017-07-18 21:48

VenFx

Calvin,
Ting pek king
Is Dr. M's proxy , same with Lim leong sik .
The second counter I bought is PWE with my saving at $6800 per lot, I'm cutting lost too late at $780 per lot ... and bring my parent eat at restaurant .
Before it was suspended and after few years Pansar come in for the RTO...
Pwe only traded at $200 per lot .

2017-07-18 21:52

musangfoxking

remember Repco? more than 100!!! then bust!!!

2017-07-18 21:54

leno

Tumpang lalu ..... KAKAKAKAKAKAKAK ... sekian, terima kasih.

2017-07-18 21:55

calvintaneng

Lk036 Bro Calvin, what we learn fr here? It is better we plan for the future. Should we get out fr market now n wait fr for market crash/opportunity. Which sector or stock we should eying first?
18/07/2017 21:38

Since 1997/8 I have always lived with a view that another one might hit again.

I am really thankful to God Almighty for sending Alfred Ong to warn me in 1997 to get out

In year 1999 i visited USA and saw subprime lending in California, especially in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas & St Jose & in Nevada.

And George Soros warned in year 2014 that in 3 years the subprime loans will cause another crisis. So again I got out unscathed.

Question now is,

"Will a similar crisis hit us again? Today Dr. Marc Faber, Jim Rogers, George Soros, James Rickards and others are predicting another crash

It's really hard to tell now.

Before they were no QE1, QE2 & QE3

For now they have discovered the antidote to market collapse by massive amount of printed fiat money.

They called Ben Bernanke helicopter Ben for being willing to print endless amount of monies and flood the system should another crisis erupt

So it could be the other way - hyper inflation with the destruction of the value of paper currencies.

So I don"t think we should totally get out but go defensive

Dr Marc already advocated diversifying into 4 groups:

1) stocks & shares
2) bonds
3) real estate
4) cash or gold

2017-07-18 22:00

VenFx

Tiong Song Seng
Is the only buaya that can cheat the European funds money.

He is the master of con artist .
I doubt he might rish his life if going back to Sabah.
Need not too, he is quite welcone in China after donate few millions.

Aokam did produce best quality of plywood & veneer. .. in Asia.
Their production line is the art of the state during that time.

2017-07-18 22:02

VenFx

Market Capital never die,
It live today, and shall life again
Juz in different form ...

2017-07-18 22:05

Ooi Teik Bee

Stock market may crash in every 10 years or 20 years, no one knows when the market crash will happen. If anyone knows it, he must be a god.

Everyone who invest in stock market must know how to deal with it when the actual crash happens.

To me, like Chinese saying, "every danger may be an opportunity to get rich".

Everyone must get ready if there is any crash. The most important is to make full use of the crash and maximise it.

Please be informed that market will recover fast after any crash like 1998.

Thank you.
Ooi

2017-07-18 22:13

Larrytrader

probably crazy this year

2017-07-18 22:14

calvintaneng

VenFx Tiong Song Seng
Is the only buaya that can cheat the European funds money.

He is the master of con artist .
I doubt he might rish his life if going back to Sabah.
Need not too, he is quite welcone in China after donate few millions.

Aokam did produce best quality of plywood & veneer. .. in Asia.
Their production line is the art of the state during that time.
18/07/2017 22:02

AOKAM?

IN YEAR 1997 I JUST SOLD BJ CAPITAL AT RM3.00 (8,000 SHARES) TO CASH OUT RM24,000

NEXT DAY BJ CAPITAL JUMPED TO RM3.60 (aiyoo if only i waited one more day i would have made another rm4,800)

THEN I SOLD AOKAM AT RM5.00 (5,000 SHARES) TO CASH OUT RM25,000

AND JUST ONE DAY AFTER SELLING AOKAM AT RM5.00 - AOKAM JUMPED TO RM5.50 (if I waited i would get another Rm2,500)

IT WAS SO PAINFUL.

THEN I MET ALRED ONE.

I SAID, "WE SHOULD NEVER SELL ANY SHARES. BECAUSE AFTER SELLING PRICES STILL MOVE UP AND CAUSE ME HEART SICK" WE ARE IN A BULL RUN NOW

ALFRED REPLIED, "WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU" WE ARE NOT IN A BULL RUN. WE ARE IN A BULL FART! I JUST SOLD HALF OF ALL MY SHARES. THE INDEX WILL COLLAPSE FROM 1,332 POINTS TO 800 POINTS!

WOW! I WAS TOTALLY BULLISH THEN. AND ALFRED WAS TOTALLY BEARISH. HOW COULD KLSE DROP FROM 1,332 POINTS TO 800 POINTS? IMPOSSIBLE, I THOUGHT.

NEXT DAY I SAW ALL COUNTERS READ BUT ONE - TA - SO I TOLD MY REMISIER TO SELL OFF TA THAT DAY.

ALFRED SAID, YESTERDAY I SOLD HALF MY SHARES. TODAY I SOLD ALL THE OTHER HALF. AND HE ALSO TOLD HIS WIFE FROM OMEGA SECURITIES TO SELL ALL.

ALFRED GAVE ME A CHUN CHUN WARNING AS I FOLLOWED HIM TO GET OUT.

ANDREW HAS AN MBA AND MIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA IN THE LATE 90S.

EVERY TIME ANDREW VISITS ME IN SINGAPORE I NEVER FAIL TO TREAT HIM TO MEALS

2017-07-18 22:17

Alex Foo

@Lk036

im actually eyeing on bitcoin crash,

or crytocurrency crash.

2017-07-18 22:18

calvintaneng

Lk036 How about hwa tai? The biggest up n down stock.
18/07/2017 21:45

IN THE EARLY 1990S I USED TO SUPPLY USED CARS TO MR. N OF BATU PAHAT

AND MR. N WAS A DIE HARD STOCK PUNTER.

HE GOT A DIRECT ONLINE TRADING TERMINAL WITH LIVE STOCK QUOTES IN HIS USED CAR OFFICE IN BATU PAHAT. HE SAID HE PAID RM15,000 FOR THE SERVICE.

THEN MR. N TOLD ME ABOUT HWA TAI BISCUIT FACTORY JUST 20 MINUTES AWAY.

CURIOUS I DROVE TO SEE HWATAI FACTORY. IT WAS A DILAPIDATED DERELICT BUILDING NOT WORTH EVEN RM200,000 I THINK. AND I WAS PUZZLED THAT ONE SHARE OF HWATAI WAS WORTH RM200 THEN. REALLY AMAZING. MARKET WAS REALLY MAD THEN

2017-07-18 22:24

Alex Foo

thx for sharing....pls share more~~

2017-07-18 22:27

Alex Foo

as of now im actually around 80% invested in stock. With the rest in liquid and hedge (i buy hard silver). I plan to sell 1/5 of stock if the crash comes.....

but looks like i can actually sell all stocks b4 crash (but that's impossible to time).....

they say cash in king in deep bear market, i think it's real judging from many stories here.....cars become so cheap, so does property....and stocks most importantly....

if nestle go down to RM12, i sure sapu~~

2017-07-18 22:28

Alex Foo

judging from your experiences....i assume you're at least 30 around 1997....so 20 years d....

all experienced ppl here at least 50....gg.....i can become your son d....please take me as your son and teach haha

2017-07-18 22:29

calvintaneng

musangfoxking remember Repco? more than 100!!! then bust!!!
18/07/2017 21:54

yes i remember Repco

One day my friend Randy Tay went to Kepong to see some company cars under receiver sale.

When i asked him which company?

He said. "Repco"

My friend Randy does not believe in share investing.

His used car company is called "ranko" - HAHA! not repco

2017-07-18 22:30

calvintaneng

DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF 1929 TO 1939 JOHN MAYNARD KEYNES WAS FULLY INVESTED AND GOT CAUGHT.

HOWEVER, HE BOUGHT INTO DEFENSIVE UTILITY STOCKS WHICH PAY GOOD DIVIDENDS THROUGHOUT THE DEPRESSION YEAR PERIOD. SO HE CAME OUT OK FINALLY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

I GOT HIS BOOK CALLED

KEYNES WAY TO WEALTH
https://www.amazon.com/Keyness-Way-Wealth-Investment-Economist/dp/0071815473

SO WE CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS GUY WHO WENT THROUGH HELL AND SURVIVED

AND J. MAYNARD KEYNES WAS THE ONE WHO INVENTED THE KEYNESIAN ECONOMIC THEORY OF WHICH BEN BERNANKE & PAUL KRUGMAN ARE AVID FOLLOWERS

2017-07-18 22:39

Alex Foo

calvin, i picked up ur suggestion to read graham...adui ancient english took me sometimes.....

i find that graham always insist on safety first, (margin of safety), then adequate return second....i also read lynch, but find that lynch choose to sacrifice safety for growth....

so....can i do this? now still bull, i go for growth investing (value)....then bear comes, i go for value investing (graham)...

i saw your stockpicks....mostly graham style....though may not win this year, but long term macam yes

2017-07-18 22:41

Unicorn

Hi Calvin Boss,
Is it safe to say that stock market crash is always caused by bank troubles?
1997 Asian financial crisis - Failure of Thai central bank
2008 Financial Crisis - Failure of banks' subprime lending

2017-07-18 22:46

calvintaneng

Alex Foo calvin, i picked up ur suggestion to read graham...adui ancient english took me sometimes.....

i find that graham always insist on safety first, (margin of safety), then adequate return second....i also read lynch, but find that lynch choose to sacrifice safety for growth....

so....can i do this? now still bull, i go for growth investing (value)....then bear comes, i go for value investing (graham)...

i saw your stockpicks....mostly graham style....though may not win this year, but long term macam yes
18/07/2017 22:41

YES, WE BEGIN WITH BEN GRAHAM FOR ITS FOUNDATION. THEN MOVE TO LYNCH, FISHER, BUFFET, MUNGER AND OTHERS.

LIFE IS NOT STATIC. LIFE IS EVER GROWING. AND WE LEARN NEW THINGS ALL THE TIME. BEN GRAHAM WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF QE OR MONEY PRINTING IN HIS TIME.

SO THINGS DO CHANGE.

THAT'S WHY THROUGH HUMAN INTERVENTION A CRASH COULD BE AVERTED. AND CANS CAN BE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD IN STEAD OF KICKING THE CAN (OR DIE) SO TO SAY.

SEE HOW PEOPLE IN JAPAN GROW FRUITS AND VEGETABLES IN WINTER HOT GREEN HOUSE?

SO MEN HAVE CONQUERED THE ELEMENTS AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.

WITH TRUMP MAYBE MARKET WILL STILL BOOM FOR SOME TIME.

SINCE WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE FOR A CERTAINTY WE SHOULD JUST INVEST DEFENSIVELY WITH OUR EYES OPEN.

AND KEEPING PURE CASH IN BANK ALSO NOT AN OPTION FOR 2 REASONS

1) 3% fd RATE CANNOT COVER INFLATION. 3% FD RATE IF TREATED AS ANOTHER FORM OF INVESTMENT HAS A P/E RATIO OF 33.3 SO IT WILL TAKE 33.3 YEARS TO DOUBLE OUR MONEY

2) IF BAD TIMES SHOULD COME HOW SAFE IS THE BANKS WE PUT CASH IN? IN USA GREAT DEPRESSION 10,000 BANKS COLLAPSED. SO CASH IN BANKS ALSO NOT 100% SAFE
https://econproph.com/2009/10/26/fdic-managing-the-crisis-the-fdic-and-rtc-experience/

2017-07-18 23:00

calvintaneng

leno Tumpang lalu ..... KAKAKAKAKAKAKAK ... sekian, terima kasih.
18/07/2017 21:55

YES LENO IS HERE

YOU ARE OK AS YOU ONLY INVEST IN CASH/ASSET RICH COMPANIES WITH HUGE MARGIN OF SAFETY

2017-07-18 23:02

firehawk

Ha Ha, Daim is Daim, I never blame him, so, I won't ask him Diam :D

My later realization was, his comment was only an excuse for a overvalued market to make correction. At that time, many unreasonable signs emerged, that puzzled young investors, like me, very much. Later, i realized that, market /crowd can go crazy to an so unbelievable level .....

Come back to current situation ... last week, saw an old friend, he said he had sold all his holdings 3 months ago, and when to china to spend his holiday and come back. He asked,"market still not crash woh! how?" I replied,"i also want to ask u, how?"

My feeling is, nowadays market seemed like not as vulnerable as before, and center banks, like Fed, provides cheap money to support ... but, i think nobody can say it for sure, although Yallen said it won't happen in her lifetime :)

2017-07-18 23:03

calvintaneng

Unicorn Hi Calvin Boss,
Is it safe to say that stock market crash is always caused by bank troubles?
1997 Asian financial crisis - Failure of Thai central bank
2008 Financial Crisis - Failure of banks' subprime lending
18/07/2017 22:46


UNICORN,

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION

"MARKET CRASH ALWAYS CAUSED BY BANK TROUBLES?"

FOR 1997/8 BUSINESSES OVER BORROWED WITH LEVERAGE. BORROWING US DOLLARS WITH LOW INTEREST RATES TO INVEST IN RINGGIT WITH HIGH INTEREST RATES?

SO THE BLAME DOES NOT LIE SOLELY ON BANKS ALONE. IT WAS THE SENTIMENT AND EUPHORIA OF THOSE GO GO YEARS.

YES, I SAW THIS ADVERT IN THE 1990S.

"YOU CAN USE MARGIN UP TO 90% FOR STOCKS". WITH 10% DOWN AND 90% ON BORROWED MONIES SMELLED LIKE WALL STREET IN 1929.

SO BANKS ARE PARTLY TO BE BLAMED.

BUT THE BAD TIMES OF 1985 TO 1985 WERE CAUSED BY TIN AND RUBBER COLLAPSE.

DR. M WANTED TO CORNER THE LONDON TIN TRADE. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE AMERICANS GOT LOTS OF TIN IN RESERVE WHICH THEY STARTED DUMPING.

SO IT WAS MORE HUMAN MISTAKE THEN

2017-07-18 23:10

Simple man

Thanks for sharing good article. Just my doubt. your Last paragraph "If you cannot - then better keep Cash"... keep cash in the bank or Keep physical cash under pillow? I wonder are we allow to withdraw any cash from bank?

2017-07-19 20:20

calvintaneng

Simple man,
All deposits up to Rm200,000 per account is insured, i think. So just divide up to each bank accordingly.
Can also by into Z Spore Govt Bond

However, cash as an investment is a no no. Cash should be kept like Warren Buffet while awaiting next investment opportunity

2017-07-20 19:37

Unicorn

Hi Calvin Boss, how do you see this?

May 8, 2017 - Brexit process will expose basic weakness in European banking
(https://twitter.com/patrickjenkins_/status/861541702410153984)

20 Jul 2017 - Deutsche Bank Preparing for Hard Brexit, CEO Cryan Tells Employees (https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/887973738704187392)

20 Jul 2017 - Nordea postpones HQ decision and misses quarterly forecasts
(http://www.forexrepository.com/news/nordea-postpones-hq-decision-and-misses-quarterly-forecasts.htm)

2017-07-20 23:19

Unicorn

Will the banks problem in EU has a financial contagion effect on the whole world and cause a major market crash? Hmmm...

2017-07-20 23:25

calvintaneng

Unicorn,

Both Europe and US are in long term descend.
The future has moved to Asia.
Right now both Europe and US have little or no growth.

Their economies are kept alive by artificial support.

But the main danger might emanate from China. China today is like the gogo years of Us in 1920s which later ended in the Great Depression

2017-07-21 00:19

apolloang

talking about the financial crisis,how many stocks do u have now datuk calvin? how to avoid a crash or a crisis if u have a lot of counters?

2017-07-21 01:03

Unicorn

The number of stocks holding has no relationship with the effects suffered from a probable crisis. It is how much money of your net worth that you put in stock market that matters to your life and death..

2017-07-21 01:09

apolloang

the more counters 1 is holding and mostly everyday volumeless,how to sell when there is a crash? wanna cut loss also cannot

2017-07-21 01:15

Unicorn

Ah how I wish I can predict a financial crisis and capitalize on that. G9

2017-07-21 01:16

Unicorn

A good counter will not be illiquid. So reorganize your portfolio in this good time..

2017-07-21 01:19

apolloang

datuk calvin kwantas,harnlen,texchem,mhc,mpcorp how to sell?

2017-07-21 01:21

calvintaneng

VERY SOON NOW

IMF MEANS TO ANWAR IBRAHIM

I AM FLOURISHING!!!

2018-10-13 19:16

joetay2

Post removed.Why?

2018-10-13 21:00

calvintaneng

Posted by calvintaneng > Oct 12, 2018 07:30 AM | Report Abuse X

There are many stocks up 100% to 300% more than cover the losses

1. Pm Corp up 100%
2. Ajiya up 100%
3. Super Enterprize up 200%
4. Pohuat or power huat up 200%
5. Drb up 200%
6. Padini up 200%
7. Opcom up 200%
8. Ipmuda limit up more than 100%
9. Silk up 200%
10. Prestar or Pre-Star. Buy it before it turns into a Star....up 200%
11. RceCap up 100%
12. GSB up 100%

So many chun chun jackpots more than cover losses

Many others up 30% to 80% like kheesan, masteel, kpscb, dutaland, Tambun, Maju Perak, Focus Lumber, Ekson and others

Remember the maximum loss of a single share is 100%.

See. So many up 100% to 200% already. And the only 2 near total loss are Perisai and Mp Corp. Yet none delisted yet. For Mp Corp the latest report though suspended still made good monies by asset disposal. So is anticonman a liarman?


calvintaneng
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Posted by calvintaneng > Oct 12, 2018 07:32 AM | Report Abuse X

YES JAKS WAS 40 SEN ON DECEMBER 16 2014

WHEN JAKS UP 200% CALVIN CALLED FOR A SELL.

2018-10-13 22:48

calvintaneng

Yes better SELL QES & REACH

2018-10-13 23:07

joetay2

always go counter to what bodoh coward calvintaneng says and u will be safe.

btw, stop reporting my posts as abuse.

if u dont want me to call u a bodoh coward, then dont behave like a bodoh coward.

lol...........

2018-10-14 22:06

Linus Kt

So how’s the MPCorp??? Waiting for money burnoff ???

2018-10-16 00:08

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