Posted by JayC > 2016-02-22 14:29 | Report Abuse

tis i have to agree

Posted by Jeffbkt > 2016-02-22 14:48 | Report Abuse

KYY should rephrase his sentence to I am lucky to have margin call for FLBDB only since it rebounded after the margin call. Just imagine if the share price continue to slide...

Posted by joni > 2016-02-22 15:11 | Report Abuse

Its a personal achievement and his belief; if you understand his Motivating Factor No.1, that explain the reason he said so.

Posted by rosetan > 2016-02-22 19:28 | Report Abuse

Read KYY's article again ... he didn't say that margin call would be good generally. In fact he said, "Let me explain in details with examples so that you can learn how to make more money using margin to its limit, provided you know how to select really good shares to buy." Note the last part of the sentence.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 19:30 | Report Abuse

lets say got free shares
and , no margin call....will never sell
got margin call....forced to sell.

when the dust has settled, the guy seems quite happy the margin forced him to sell what he never would have sold.

like a fat girl who cannot diet unless the adults come and take away the sweets.


lol

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 19:33 | Report Abuse

or in other words, KYY is too far ahead of his audience.

Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2016-02-22 19:46 | Report Abuse

Margin call is good bank can laugh their way to their home

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 20:09 | Report Abuse

nothing good ever came out of margin call. Period

Posted by Probability > 2016-02-22 20:16 | Report Abuse

Can anyone come out with figures ...how much reward of money can justify risk of losing your life?

If you can answer that one question...then we can debate on this topic very well.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 20:21 | Report Abuse

The pros routinely margin 50 to 1 ratio to play CDS ...1 to 1 ratio is sap sap Sui.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 20:57 | Report Abuse

uncle koon margin is too high... it is stupid...

the past few days was storm in a tea cup and he already kena.... if a big storm come, he won't have time to escape. No explanation can convince me otherwise

Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2016-02-22 21:01 | Report Abuse

How is margin call operate?
Your banker will sell your share after the given three days period?

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 21:02 | Report Abuse

Icon....whether margin too high too low is all about risk tolerance, about strategy and details of the portfolio.

Hedge funds routinely take up gearing of 100 to 1 even when they have confidence in their modeling.

Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2016-02-22 21:02 | Report Abuse

Banker suddenly become loan shark

Posted by greatful > 2016-02-22 21:07 | Report Abuse

i don't know. i asked about margin call matter in KYY's post.
I heard people say margin call in bullish is great but not in bearish market. Is that true?

Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2016-02-22 21:09 | Report Abuse

Loan shark come to your house and spray red paint?
Cannot repay loan? Sell your daughter later.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 21:11 | Report Abuse

That Koon is telling you his experience as he sees it.....including a margin call on him.....maybe somebody can learn some thing from there.

The rest is just a lot of misinterpretations and misjudgements and prejudgements.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 21:13 | Report Abuse

Desa u need to shed the positive bias for uncle Koon. Be a bit objective.

hedge fund high gearing is for futures, currency , etc . Not stocks.

No banks will give out common stock margin loan of more than 1 to 1

Am I not right ?

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 09:02 PM | Report Abuse

Icon....whether margin too high too low is all about risk tolerance, about strategy and details of the portfolio.

Hedge funds routinely take up gearing of 100 to 1 even when they have confidence in their modeling.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-02-22 21:17 | Report Abuse

祝各位情人节快乐

Posted by Ven Felix > 2016-02-22 21:20 | Report Abuse

Wow, an account clerk talking abt hedge fund gearing of x 100 ??? Is that so simple , nowadays ? If, Desa is Teoh soon seng (Aokam perdana ex-ceo) , I ll buy the story. But, even is Teoh , he know the trick has gone too old. Could a x 100 factors juz like press a button as Desa hint ??? Desa no fit in this area.....



Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 09:02 PM | Report Abuse 

Icon....whether margin too high too low is all about risk tolerance, about strategy and details of the portfolio. 

Hedge funds routinely take up gearing of 100 to 1 even when they have confidence in their modeling.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 21:20 | Report Abuse

I maintain my stance that if few days of correction can trigger margin call, it is stupid

Prejudgment, misjudgment, or whatever

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 21:42 | Report Abuse

The prejudgements refers to people's response to what he wrote.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 21:42 | Report Abuse

Stocks routinely drop 10 % within days. 10 to 1 gearing means you are wiped out already.

Hedge funds use a combination of longs and shorts and saddle to manage risks using standard deviations calculations.

It's two different worlds.....but the principle remains the same.

Whether too high gearing too low gearing is a question of risk tolerance, expected standard deviations of the portfolio......

Of course when KYY says you can use margin provided you know how to choose your stocks ...he is simplistic and naive.

Professionals do not look at the fundamentals of the stocks.....they look at the standard deviations of the portfolio....but when a black swan event came, the pros too all got buried.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 21:47 | Report Abuse

The co relation ship of the components inside the portfolio.

A highly co related portfolio becomes highly dangerous.....concentration of risks.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 21:52 | Report Abuse

If a few days correction can trigger a margin call, it is stupid

No need bull and cock story....

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 21:53 | Report Abuse

No wonder they said u r a snake oil sales man...

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 21:59 | Report Abuse

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 09:42 PM | Report Abuse

Hedge funds use a combination of longs and shorts and saddle to manage risks using standard deviations calculations.

Really kah? Can elaborate?

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:08 | Report Abuse

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 09:42 PM | Report Abuse

Hedge funds use a combination of longs and shorts and saddle to manage risks using standard deviations calculations.

Really kah? Can elaborate?

desa,
give us an example using Bursa as context to demo your actual knowledge other than cut and paste!

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:10 | Report Abuse

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 09:02 PM | Report Abuse

Icon....whether margin too high too low is all about risk tolerance, about strategy and details of the portfolio.

Hedge funds routinely take up gearing of 100 to 1 even when they have confidence in their modelling.


Really kay? gearing of 100??

i been in hedge fund for 2 decades i donno anyone do that.

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:12 | Report Abuse

pls dont make me laugh Desa. do u really know what is hedge fund?

it seems like to you, hedge funds is just using 1 dollar to bet 100 dollar position? u r so stupid.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 22:18 | Report Abuse

I think Desa cut and paste from Wikipedia ...

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:24 | Report Abuse

the different between mutual fund and hedge fund.

mutual fund are long only fund. mostly buy and hold listed companies stocks for longterm growth. most mutual fund are not allowed to invest in certain high risk instruments or co. that failed the parameters.

on the other hand
hedged fund. trade long and short both stocks and anything tradable. and use derivatives to hedge their position without any restriction. without any pre-set time frame.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 22:26 | Report Abuse

I hope optimus is here

He used to work for hedge fund

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:27 | Report Abuse

Desa think hedge fund is big punters. using 1 dollar to bet 100 dollar position.

this show how naive he is. all his knowledge are from Hear Say.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 22:30 | Report Abuse

Posted by Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 10:18 PM | Report Abuse
I think Desa cut and paste from Wikipedia ...


When you come to hard finance, wikipedia, investopedia, Desapedia should never be used. One will fail citing from them as often the facts are incorrect.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-02-22 22:33 | Report Abuse

How about pohlanpahpedia ?

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 22:39 | Report Abuse

Chong.....cut and paste?

You must be impressed to think it is cut and paste job.

Say you are impressed with Desa and next time sure to listen.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 22:39 | Report Abuse

Posted by Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 10:33 PM | Report Abuse

How about pohlanpahpedia ?

That reference is disgusting!

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 22:41 | Report Abuse

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 10:39 PM | Report Abuse

Chong.....cut and paste?

You must be impressed to think it is cut and paste job.

Say you are impressed with Desa and next time sure to listen.


Impressed me? All what you are talking is empty and without substance. Want to discuss in more details?

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 22:46 | Report Abuse

chong you pay me ah?

for free...that is as far as I go.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 22:47 | Report Abuse

Posted by duitKWSPkita > Feb 22, 2016 10:44 PM | Report Abuse

Mr.Chong....

rilek la bro... tonight Chap Goh Mei....... spend quality time with loved family..... it is the besttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...


Thanks Duit. Just a little excited as long time never discuss with anybody about modern portfolio theory, financial risk management etc. These were my favorite topics. I said "were". Now there seem to be a "knowledgeable" person to discuss with.

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:48 | Report Abuse

Sifu desa. Pls teach PLP skill

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 22:48 | Report Abuse

onggg, couldn't bothered how many decades you got in the hedge fund industry....You don't impress me at all.....

bad staffs they employing nowadays.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 22:48 | Report Abuse

Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 10:46 PM | Report Abuse

chong you pay me ah?

for free...that is as far as I go.


I know I know, that is as far you can go. But you already all naked.

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 22:57 | Report Abuse

Desa. You said hedge fund routinely using 1 dollar to play 100 dollar. Which kopitiam you heard that?

Wakakaka.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-02-22 23:01 | Report Abuse

Posted by duitKWSPkita > Feb 22, 2016 10:52 PM | Report Abuse
Mr kc chong...
看开点，我们来这里提拔人而已。。。。我们没有资格去改变任何人（何况人家不领情）。。。把时间留给有潜能被塑造的人才

You know I have not been arguing with anybody in i3investor for so long,and I don't wish to now too. But this fellow came to my threads and mocked and ridiculed me, not only once or twice. So I just want see what he has to mock me? But I have found out that he has nothing, absolutely nothing at all. So why mock me?

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 23:03 | Report Abuse

its routinely done prior to 2008 when the model allows it ....lets say rock solid 5 standard deviations portfolio that only fluctuate no more than .5% based on the construction of the portfolio.

it will be silly not to take up the offer.



y manimaniONGG > Feb 22, 2016 10:57 PM | Report Abuse

Desa. You said hedge fund routinely using 1 dollar to play 100 dollar. Which kopitiam you heard that?

Wakakaka.

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 23:05 | Report Abuse

zzzzzzz *vomiting*

zzzzzzz....


I m not impressed. desa, you need to work harder.


Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 11:03 PM | Report Abuse

its routinely done prior to 2008 when the model allows it ....lets say rock solid 5 standard deviations portfolio that only fluctuate no more than .5% based on the construction of the portfolio.

it will be silly not to take up the offer.



y manimaniONGG > Feb 22, 2016 10:57 PM | Report Abuse

Desa. You said hedge fund routinely using 1 dollar to play 100 dollar. Which kopitiam you heard that?

Wakakaka.

Posted by Desa20201956 > 2016-02-22 23:08 | Report Abuse

you should protect your turf...good luck to you. Lets see how you protect your turf....others are watching.

kcchongnz > Feb 22, 2016 11:01 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by duitKWSPkita > Feb 22, 2016 10:52 PM | Report Abuse
Mr kc chong...
看开点，我们来这里提拔人而已。。。。我们没有资格去改变任何人（何况人家不领情）。。。把时间留给有潜能被塑造的人才

Posted by manimaniONGG > 2016-02-22 23:11 | Report Abuse

Desa, anymore hear-say from kopitiam to share here?