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JohnD0ugh

The performance of icapital.biz Berhad has been outstanding, not just in terms of its NAV but also its share price over many years.

Whether it is low inflation or high inflation, whether it is rising or falling interest rate, icapital.biz Berhad has consistently delivered superior returns to its shareowners and is still boasting of a substantial cash-laden war chest.

Let me recapitulate a fundamentally important point. A well-managed closed-end fund like icapital.biz Berhad is an excellent investment product for individual investors, especially during tumultuous times like now.

However, after so many decades, there is sadly still only one closed-end fund listed on Bursa Malaysia. The world-class London, Sydney and New York stock exchanges abound with hundreds of closed-end funds. Their investors have so many choices in terms of investment products.


i Capital.biz Berhad 4Q2022 Report

1 month ago

Sslee

Sadly but rightly in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

1 month ago

JohnD0ugh

icapital.biz Berhad has always been managed in such a way that its shareowners can sleep soundly at night, knowing their hard earned savings are in good hands.

I have also managed icapital.biz Berhad in such a way that in times of crisis or dire need, icapital.biz Berhad is there for its share owners, witness the special RM28 million Covid Relief dividend.

Not only have I achieved all of the above, icapital.biz Berhad has also delivered superior returns to its shareowners and is still boasting a substantial cash-laden war chest.

A well-managed closed-end fund like icapital.biz Berhad is an excellent investment product for individual investors, especially during tumultuous times like now.

However, after so many decades, there is still only one listed closed-end fund on Bursa Malaysia. The London, Sydney and New York stock exchanges abound with closed-end funds.

For Bursa Malaysia to have the same percentage as London for example, the Malaysian stock market should see more than a hundred and thirty closed-end funds listed, instead of just one.

icapital.biz Berhad is without doubt a precious investment. Do not let any investor who refuses to be a share owner destroy such a rare gem.


i Capital.biz Berhad 3Q2022 Report

1 month ago

EngineeringProfit

Yup

1 month ago

JohnD0ugh

The NAV of icapital.biz Berhad, in absolute amount, is now more than RM550 million. It is time for Bursa Malaysia to include icapital.biz Berhad as a component stock of the KLCI.

With new infections in Malaysia falling, along with the re-opening of the Malaysian economy and RM210 over million cash in reserve, its NAV is expected to rise further. Will its share price follow suit ?

As its fund manager, my investing decisions influence the NAV performance of icapital.biz Berhad. On the other hand, the market price of icapital.biz Berhad is, positively or negatively, determined by investors, especially those who breached the 20% single shareholder limit.

Let me reiterate the power of compounding for the long term by quoting from the 2021 Annual Report :
“With icapital.biz Berhad, shareowners get a well-managed fund, founded on integrity, and offers excellent prospects. There is in fact no reason at all to wind it up -- why chop down a bountiful fruit tree before it has matured?”


i Capital.biz Berhad 1Q2022 Report

3 weeks ago

JunHoHoHoHo

Q3 will be out today?

3 weeks ago

JunHoHoHoHo

Shocking, its Q3 turns red ...Its operating expenses are high ..

3 weeks ago

Patient Investor

Nothing shocking, the NAV climbs, manager fee will increase.
The only benchmark on the fund performance is NAV growth.
Fund manager is doing a great job, the fund NAV increases 15% in one year.

3 weeks ago

Sslee

The NAV of icapital.biz Berhad, in absolute amount, is now more than RM550 million. It is time for Bursa Malaysia to include icapital.biz Berhad as a component stock of the KLCI

Just for my understanding.
Component stock of KLCI mean what?
How to be included into this component stock?
Any market capital or NAV criteria/qualification to be included into component stock of KLCI?

Is icapital know above answer before coming out with a statement that icapital NAV is now more than RM 550 million and it is time for Bursa Malaysia to include icapital.biz Berhad as a component stock of the KLCI?

3 weeks ago

FastMoney666

Lol! Dream on - market cap does not even breach 1 billion. Even small cap also not qualified. The fund manager like to mis-lead people. Integrity?

2 weeks ago

FastMoney666

>>>>>
As its fund manager, my investing decisions influence the NAV performance of icapital.biz Berhad. On the other hand, the market price of icapital.biz Berhad is, positively or negatively, determined by investors, especially those who breached the 20% single shareholder limit.
>>>>>>

Second misleading thing - iCap lost the appeal all the way to Federal court when the court rules no individual shareholder exceeded 20% holding.

It's a scary thing when people tell 1/2 truth 1/2 lies....

2 weeks ago

Sslee

Second misleading thing - iCap lost the appeal all the way to Federal court when the court rules no individual shareholder exceeded 20% holding.

Are you saying icapital is openly and blantantly show his middle finger /contempt of Federal court rulling that no individual shareholder exceeded 20% holding?

Did icapital committed an offence punishable with jail term or fines under Malaysia law for contempt of Federal court rulling?

Quote,"As its fund manager, my investing decisions influence the NAV performance of icapital.biz Berhad. On the other hand, the market price of icapital.biz Berhad is, positively or negatively, determined by investors, especially those who breached the 20% single shareholder limit.

i Capital.biz Berhad 1Q2022 Report" unquote.

2 weeks ago

FastMoney666

Haha.....if they dare to mention that explicitly it's COL - then they can be sued till no pants for defamation and libel against the court

2 weeks ago

FastMoney666

but unfortunately they won't dare ... only poking here and there.....

2 weeks ago

FastMoney666

they always speaking out of two mouths -- one mouth say they care only about NAV but they other mouth say they don't care about the iCap share price but all the statements contradict themselves

2 weeks ago

Sslee

The NAV of icapital.biz Berhad, in absolute amount, is now more than RM550 million. It is time for Bursa Malaysia to include icapital.biz Berhad as a component stock of the KLCI

Is icapital component stock of the KLCI refer to FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI index?

If the answer is yes then someone much be ill informed, financially illiterate and unfit to manage any fund.

Selection of FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI Constituents
The FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI comprises the largest 30 companies listed on the Main Board by full market capitalisation that meet the eligibility requirements of the FTSE Bursa Malaysia Ground Rules.

The two main eligibility requirements stated in the FTSE Bursa Malaysia Ground Rules are the free float and liquidity requirements as indicated below :-

Free Float
Each company is required to have a minimum free float of 15%. The free float excludes restricted shareholding like cross holdings, significant long term holdings by founders, their families and/or directors, restricted employee share schemes, government holdings and portfolio investments subject to a lock in clause, for the duration of that clause. A free float factor is applied to the market capitalisation of each company in accordance with the banding specified in the FTSE Bursa Malaysia Ground Rules. The factor is used to determine the attribution of the company's market activities in the index.

Liquidity
A liquidity screen is applied to ensure the company's stocks are liquid enough to be traded. The method is based on the calculation of the stock's median daily trading per month.

2 weeks ago

firehawk

Dishonest person always try to mislead naive

2 weeks ago

Sslee

Someone should join politic. It is a waste of his talent managing a small fund rather than management a government or a GLC.

2 weeks ago

JohnD0ugh

In the Investor Day of icapital.biz Berhad held on 5th Nov 2023, I gave a radical bullish presentation on Malaysia’s longer term investment outlook.

In the midst of a recovery from the pandemic, worsening global geopolitical tensions, widespread political turmoil, soaring inflation, volatile exchange rates and extreme climate patterns, my simple advice 6 months ago was that now is the right time to invest in Malaysia and that icapital.biz Berhad is the best stock to invest in.

I continue to maintain these positive views.

My presentation was titled “Why Now is the Right Time to Invest in Malaysia.” The main reasons for my well-timed bullishness were China’s strong economic recovery, Malaysia’s new found political stability and the lack of a demoralising opposition.

What about the future performance of icapital.biz Berhad? First, let me very clear. icapital.biz Berhad will perform strongly in terms of its NAV and share price. Why?

I expect the KLCI to rise to 2,500 to 3,000 over the next 3 – 5 years. In such a situation, ICAP’s share price will jump. With the KLCI rallying, the NAV and share price of your Fund will rise together, and after many decades, there will be widespread bullish investor sentiment in the Malaysian stock market.

Moreover, the cash holdings of icapital.biz Berhad has fallen substantially in recent years, positioning your Fund for a strong growth in its NAV and share price. In addition, icapital.biz Berhad now offers the most innovative dividend policy In the world.

In such a future, it is reasonable to expect that icapital.biz Berhad’s NAV will more than double in 5 years – in the past, icapital.biz Berhad’s NAV has outperformed the KLCI by a big margin. In such a bullish market, ICAP’s discount will also disappear and a premium will arise.


i Capital.biz Berhad 3Q2024 Report

2 weeks ago

Integrity. Intelligent. Industrious. 3iii (iiinvestsmart)$€£¥

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In such a future, it is reasonable to expect that icapital.biz Berhad’s NAV will more than double in 5 years – in the past, icapital.biz Berhad’s NAV has outperformed the KLCI by a big margin. In such a bullish market, ICAP’s discount will also disappear and a premium will arise.
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2 weeks ago

EngineeringProfit

Huat arrr

2 weeks ago

Thirai Thiraviam

JohnD0ugh, you say, or quote TTB saying, that “I expect the KLCI to rise to 2,500 to 3,000 over the next 3 – 5 years.” What is the basis for this increase? While KLCI is still undervalued based on PER, and reverting to the historical mean should push the index up, don't you think 60% — 100% increase is rather too optimistic?

2 weeks ago

Sslee

Warren Buffett is very bearish on the market.
Warren Buffett's $189 Billion War Chest Looks Bearish for StocksThe Berkshire Hathaway chief sits on a record cash pile and expects it to grow further.
BY PHIL ROSEN, CO-FOUNDER AND EDITOR, OPENING BELL DAILY @PHILROSENN
MAY 6, 2024

It is a funny world. When the one and only one real Warren Buffett is bearish the so many Warren Buffett wannables are extremely bullish.

2 weeks ago

Integrity. Intelligent. Industrious. 3iii (iiinvestsmart)$€£¥

DATE --- KLCI INDEX --- M. CAP m (T30)
7.5.2024 --- 1,605.76 --- 1,118.72
28.8.2021 --- 1,601.38 --- 1,053.84
19.6.2020 --- 1,503.19 --- 964.98
5.3.2020 --- 1,491.03 --- 960.89
6.7.2018 --- 1,663.86 --- 1,028.10
18.1.2018 --- 1,824.81 --- 1,118.64
10.12.2017 --- 1,721.25 ---
2.11.2017 --- 1,742.49 --- 1,059.87
3.1.2014 --- 1,804.03 ---
7.6.2013 --- 1,775.59 --- 934.17
11.1.2013 --- 1,682.70 --- 902.68
19.10.2012 --- 1,666.35 --- 871.09
28.1.2010 --- 1,264.51 ---
9.7.2009 --- 1,065.68 ---
3.7.2008 --- 1,153.70 ---


When and how long was iCap in cash and bearish in the market over the last decade?
When and how long iCap recently turned bullish in the Malaysian market?

2 weeks ago

Sslee

TTB can't do the math and thus do not know if index is at 2,500 to 3,000 how much the 30 component index companies need to grow their earning for their market cap to increase multifold.

TTB just trying to curry favor PMX . He is more a politician than a savy investor.

2 weeks ago

Sslee

THE LIST OF FTSE BURSA MALAYSIA KLCI INDEX CONSTITUENTS
NO. STOCK CODE CONSTITUENT NAME
1 1015 AMMB HOLDINGS BHD
2 6888 AXIATA GROUP BERHAD
3 6947 CELCOMDIGI BERHAD
4 1023 CIMB GROUP HOLDINGS BERHAD
5 3182 GENTING BHD
6 4715 GENTING MALAYSIA BERHAD
7 5819 HONG LEONG BANK BHD
8 1082 HONG LEONG FINANCIAL GROUP BHD
9 5225 IHH HEALTHCARE BERHAD
10 1961 IOI CORPORATION BHD
11 2445 KUALA LUMPUR KEPONG BHD
12 1155 MALAYAN BANKING BHD
13 6012 MAXIS BERHAD
14 3816 MISC BHD
15 5296 MR D.I.Y. GROUP (M) BERHAD
16 4707 NESTLE (M) BHD
17 5183 PETRONAS CHEMICALS GROUP BHD
18 5681 PETRONAS DAGANGAN BHD
19 6033 PETRONAS GAS BHD
20 4065 PPB GROUP BHD
21 8869 PRESS METAL ALUMINIUM HOLDINGS BERHAD
22 1295 PUBLIC BANK BHD
23 7084 QL RESOURCES BHD
24 1066 RHB BANK BERHAD
25 4197 SIME DARBY BHD
26 5285 SIME DARBY PLANTATION BERHAD
27 4863 TELEKOM MALAYSIA BHD
28 5347 TENAGA NASIONAL BHD
29 4677 YTL CORPORATION BHD
30 6742 YTL POWER INTERNATIONAL BHD
Note: The constituents list was last updated on 18 December 2023.

2 weeks ago

speakup

how come TTB never hantam COL anymore?
so isit when icap cheap, TTB blame and hantam COL. but when icap expensive, TTB good friend with COL

2 weeks ago

OTB

The highest point of Jakarta Composite index (JKSE) was at 743 in 1993, the present JKSE is at 7,134.72 on 3/5/2024, an increase of 6,392 points or 860% in the last 30 years.

The highest point of FBMKLCI was at 1,332 in 1994, the present FBMKLCI closed at 1,605 on 8/5/2024, an increase of 273 points or 20.5% in the last 30 years.

KLSE stock market is still far ... far ... worse than other stock markets in the last 30 years.

Even if the FBMKLCI Index moves up north to 2,000 points, it is still nothing to compare against other best performing stock markets.
KLSE is still a laggard stock market in SEA.

Thank you.

2 weeks ago

JunHoHoHoHo

TTB gaduh with COL 😁

2 weeks ago

EngineeringProfit

Kenyanggggg

2 weeks ago

Patient Investor

ICAP NAV has increase 13.9% YTD. ICAP share price has increase 18.7%.
shareholders can jut ignore the noises in here.

2 weeks ago

human

What amazing is that NAV and price increase in tandem even discount remain.
If current bull on Bursa continue then the noises will start deleting their comments.

1 week ago

JohnD0ugh

What will be the target price of icapital.biz Berhad 3 to 5 years from now ? There are two possible positive outcomes.

[1]. Assume NAV of icapital.biz Berhad doubling from RM3.93 – to around RM7.86 in 5 years. If its share price equals the NAV of RM7.86 then, it will rise by RM4.81 or 158% from RM3.05 nowadays. If its share price then trades at a say a conservative 10% premium to its NAV, as the Malaysian stock market will then be in a bullish mood, its share price will equal to RM8.65 – a rise of RM5.60 or 184% from RM3.05 now.

[2]. The NAV of icapital.biz Berhad has in the past outperformed the KLSE by 6 percentage points per annum. So, if this pattern repeats and the KLCI doubles in 5 years, the NAV of icapital.biz Bhd in 5 years’ time will be RM10.19. Assume its share price trades at a 10% premium to its NAV, the share price of your Fund will trade at RM11.21 – a jump of RM8.16 or 267% from RM3.05 nowadays.

In short, the expected share price of icapital.biz Berhad in 3 to 5 years’ time will double to either RM7.86 or rally to RM11.21, a gain of RM8.16.

The above performance has not included potential contribution from the dividend policy of icapital.biz Berhad.
In the past, when nearly all the shareowners of icapital.biz Berhad were individuals, its share price traded at a premium to its NAV. In the coming years, I pray that this can be repeated so that your Fund can finally restore its real value. In that context, I would like to make a plea to the few recalcitrant investors (for the lack of a better term to describe them) not to act disruptively and destructively.


i Capital.biz Berhad 3Q2024 Report

1 week ago

JunHoHoHoHo

Got dividend this year? 🙂

1 week ago

EngineeringProfit

Good

1 week ago

Integrity. Intelligent. Industrious. 3iii (iiinvestsmart)$€£¥

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In the past, when nearly all the shareowners of icapital.biz Berhad were individuals, its share price traded at a premium to its NAV. In the coming years, I pray that this can be repeated so that your Fund can finally restore its real value. In that context, I would like to make a plea to the few recalcitrant investors (for the lack of a better term to describe them) not to act disruptively and destructively.
>>>

Why and when should a closed end fund trade at a premium?
As a value investor, he would like to buy at a discount.
It is easy to value a closed end fund, is it not?

1 week ago

speakup

City Of London is the best Goreng King of Icap!

1 week ago

Patient Investor

CEF is like stock, it will trade at premium when demand > supply. you also can view it like REITS, why some reits is trading at a higher premium over their NTA or even yield compare to their peers?

1 week ago

Patient Investor

Opportunity 😋

6 days ago

FastMoney666

Opportunity or threats --- or exercise cautions?

iCap closing price
15/5/2024 ---> $ 3.44
16/5/2024 --->3.30 down from previous day 4%
17/5/2024 --->3.24 down from previous day 1.7%
Cumulative losses 5.7%

COL contributed to 65 -70% of selling in the past 2 days.

16/5/2024 293,300/448,400 = 65% of sales
17/5/2024 207,200 over 297,700 = 70% of sales.

A few things to think about on this new development:

(i) As TTB wishes to kick out COL, his dream may finally comes true….COL is finally exiting now.

When a substantial shareholder starts to exit in such an illiquid stock, share price will surely dropped quite drastically, as we can see it has lost 5.7% or 28 million market capitalization was wiped out in 2 days….Pray hard no more follow through selling from other people who also will join the sales party.

(ii) In the past, COL was being accused: when they start buying share, price dropped, discounts were widening, by the same logic, when they start selling shares now, price should go up, discount should be narrowing. Can you have a cake and eat it at the same time?

(iii) Many of us has been advocating to buy low, sell high. This is exactly what COL was doing, buying low and now prices have moved up substantially, sell high.

(iv) But TTB has been selling the story buy high and sell at even higher prices…..In TTB you trust maxim.:) Good luck to those water fish.

TTB has been drumming up his bullish calls and sowing seeds that his NAV will only go up. In current positive market environment, many will anchor his most recent NAV around $4 and peg a discount and concluded it was still cheap to buy especially he was telling everyone iCap NAV will go up in 5 years from the range $ 7.86 to 10.19

(v) Even it may come true though his historical track records at best was matching EPF return. Beware buying at any of current price.

(vi) What if there is a black swan event? What if his current NAV around $4 drops by 20%, NAV will be $3.2, pegging a 24% discount based on his innovative dividend policy, worst case share price will drop to 2.43. Say those buy at $ 3.20, they may be staring at 25% losses.

(vii) There are two assumptions need to be re-examined.

One, COL will never sell and will buy “even at row with the fund manager”. Despite of kena smacked by the fund manager, , dragged to court and suffered public ridicules by posting tonnes of accusations in AGM or blogs, his private pulpit iCAP newsletter, quarterly and annual report, booo at AGM wheneve COL was mentioned, list will go on. None of this important, what is import to COL is buy cheap at a discount and sell high. They will ignore all the political speeches and rallies.

Two, NAV will never drop – yes not yet. Be careful of recency bias.

(viii) Will iCap share price get cheaper? At what price you may find support? Using the base case of NAV 4 and 30% discount, you may find some support around $2.80.

Someone says you can ignore all the noises in this blog…….Yes, please 😊

6 days ago

Sslee

Maybe next AGM someone can propose the current fees be replaced by equilvalent of new issue of icapital share value at NAV. Then most likely the management will work double hard because now they have the skin in the game.

6 days ago

JohnD0ugh

For Malaysians who have been crying over the weakening Ringgit and rising cost of living, they have right in front of their eyes a precious Malaysian listed fund that has not only offered them currency protection but also superior wealth creation.

Despite a very tough and turbulent environment, icapital.biz Berhad has achieved a very strong performance with its share price outperforming the MSCI Malaysia in US$ by a huge margin in the last 1-year and 3-year periods.

The share price of icapital.biz Berhad has also outperformed the S&P 500 and NASDAQ, two top performing indices dominated by AI stocks like Nvidia, Meta, etc , in US$ in the same 1-year and 3-year periods.

This very strong performance of icapital.biz Berhad in US$ terms certainly did not happen by chance. It is the result of the persistent hard work and heart work put in over the years by Capital Dynamics and myself as the Designated Person of icapital.biz Berhad.

It is also a result of your Fund Manager and Designated Person patiently and deliberately sticking to its time-proven Bamboo value investing philosophy, despite being continuously badgered and disrupted by one or two foreign wrecking balls.

icapital.biz Berhad still has around RM80 million cash. With Capital Dynamics’ time-proven value investing philosophy, and icapital.biz Berhad still undervalued, it remains an excellent time to invest more in this truly low-risk, high-return investment.

A jump of 49.3% in its share price as the Malaysian stock market plunged nearly 18% in the last 3 years is indeed low risk and high return.


i Capital.biz Berhad 3Q2024 Report

4 days ago

TheContrarian

Posted by Thirai Thiraviam > 1 week ago | Report Abuse

JohnD0ugh, you say, or quote TTB saying, that “I expect the KLCI to rise to 2,500 to 3,000 over the next 3 – 5 years.” What is the basis for this increase? While KLCI is still undervalued based on PER, and reverting to the historical mean should push the index up, don't you think 60% — 100% increase is rather too optimistic?

Eh, @Thirai , you didn't know that John is TTB?

4 days ago

Sslee

No wonder KC Chong has this to say about TTB: It helps if he has more humility.

JohnD0ugh
For Malaysians who have been crying over the weakening Ringgit and rising cost of living, they have right in front of their eyes a precious Malaysian listed fund that has not only offered them currency protection but also superior wealth creation.

Despite a very tough and turbulent environment, icapital.biz Berhad has achieved a very strong performance with its share price outperforming the MSCI Malaysia in US$ by a huge margin in the last 1-year and 3-year periods.

The share price of icapital.biz Berhad has also outperformed the S&P 500 and NASDAQ, two top performing indices dominated by AI stocks like Nvidia, Meta, etc , in US$ in the same 1-year and 3-year periods

4 days ago

EngineeringProfit

Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

4 days ago

Patient Investor

Price please drop further, I'm hungry

4 days ago

human

During Icapital.biz fund road show prior IPO, the audience and target investors type are retail.
COL or any institutional fund that could disrupt the fund operation should exit to return the fund shareholding to original form.
The fund is to serve retail investors. Those that attended the AGM can notice this is one of the listed companies with most vocal and active retail investors engagement.

4 days ago

Patient Investor

For long term investor, just buy when someone is letting go at dirt cheap price.
How cheap should you consider buying? that depends on your appetite and level of greed.
Just dont get smoked until you trim your position.

4 days ago

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