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(Icon) Trump & Trade (2) - Threatens 35% Tariff On Companies Moving Offshore

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Publish date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
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I follow the smell of money.

1. Flow With The River, Not Against It

 

Whe come to investing and blogging, I have a very different approach compared to fellow blogger Calvin Tan. Correct me if I am wrong, Calvin has a tendency to shove things down people's throat. I am different. I prefer to be objective.

 

Why ? Because based on my observation and experience, NONE of my investment ever make money because I have won an argument against others. 

 

My investment makes money when my view about a company's FUTURE is CORRECT. When the company delivers earning higher than previous year, its share price will go up and I benefit.      

 

(Same principle applies to people who try to badmouth other people's stocks. It doesn't work. I have never lost a single sen in my investment just because somebody launches attacks on the stocks that I hold. Don't believe me ? Just look at Hevea and Robertl. It is the EPS that matters, STUPID)

 

In other words, there is no point for me to win an argument against anybody. It won't do my wallet any good.

 

When I look at things from this perspective, the only logical conclusion is that I should use blogging as a platform to sort out my thoughts, to interact with other forum members and to get useful feedbacks - SO THAT I CAN IMPROVE MY ACCURACY FOR EPS FORECAST. 

 

No point keep defending something if you are wrong (Calvin Tan please take note). In stock market, when a ship is heading to Holland, you jump ship, don't try to be a Hero.

 

THE MARKET IS TOO POWERFUL FOR US TO FIGHT.

 

 

2. The Debate About Trump

 

Two days ago, I published an article called "12 Reasons Why US Cannot Turn Protectionist". This morning, Calvin Tan published an article about Trump's latest move - "Trump Imposing 35% Tax For US Companies Moving Offshore & Sell Back".

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/110941.jsp

 

First of all, as an investor in export stocks, I am inevitably positively biased towards a "Trump Talks Only, No Action" scenario. Calvin is different. His view is that Trump is serious, US will turn inward and our very own Malaysian export stocks will suffer. 

 

So, who is right who is wrong ? I have given some thoughts about this whole thing. My preliminary conclusion is that "Nobody Knows". It is still too early to say for sure how things will end up eventually.

 

My role as a blogger is to keep track of things and discuss them from time to time. That is why I am starting this article series to update everybody on the latest development. Hopefully you will find them useful. 

 

 

3. Trump's Latest Threat

 

When come to government policies, rules and regulations, wordings are very important. Let me quote Trump verbatim :

 

The US is going to substantially reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country, fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, and then think it will sell its products back into the US without retribution or consequence, is WRONG ! There will be a tax on our soon to be strong border of 35% for these companies.  

 

Key questions and unknowns :-

 

(a) It is not clear whether this is applicable to companies IN RETROSPECT. If it only applies to companies who are moving offshore in the future, it will affect US Foreign Direct Investments, not trade. 

 

(b) If this is applicable to companies in retrospect, then it will become a trade issue. For example : Apple will get hit when it ships its iphones back to US to sell. When this happens, there will be a lot of repercussions, the details of which are as set out in my earlier article "12 Reasons Why US Cannot Turn Protectionist". Please go through it again if that interests you.

 

(c) Come to think about it, the unintended consequence of this latest policy is that it discriminates against America's own companies. An American company that manufactures offshore will be taxed if it exports back to US, but foreign companies won't be affected.

To "level the playing field", Trump will have to impose same amount of tariff on imports. Wow wow wow wait a miniute... we have talked about this before... imposing tariffs on imports will trigger a whole series of negative reactions from other countries. Again, I would like to refer you to my previous article.

The US is a powerful country, but it is not that powerful until it can do whatever it wants.          

 

 

4.Trump The Genius ?

 

In the US, many people treats Trump with contempt (I was one of those that belittled him before his victory). However, across the Pacific Ocean, it seemed that Communist China has come up with a starkly different assessment. In numerous occasions, I heard the media describes Trump as a "Very Clever Person".

 

特郎普是一个非常聪明的人

 

Come to think about it, Trump is indeed brilliant (of course, he has many shortcomings too, especially his temperament). If you have studied Marketing in University before, you will understand what I am trying to say. The field of Marketing is vast and diverse. But the gist is that if you are able to identify the hidden craving embedded deep inside consumers' heart, your products will sell well.

 

As a businessman, it seemed that Trump has mastered this art well. He deviated from the traditional narratives of most politicians (both Democrats and Replubicans) and tap into the latent sentiment hidden deep inside voters, especially blue collar workers and those that fret about border insecurity, and finally emerged as the winner.

 

Trump the businessman read his customers well, and he came up with the right product. As for Hillary, until now she still doesn't know how she dies.

 

 

5. Intention Not Clear

 

In the previous section, I establish that Trump is a very clever person. The implication of such an assessment is that you need to shed your complacency and stop treating him as a populist fool that doesn't know what he is doing.

 

All of what he is doing now could be part of a clever strategy to shift the burden to his fellow politicians. The shortcomings and weakness of Trump's protectionist policy is so glaring that many politicians have started voicing out against it. And this came not only from the right, but also from the left - Sarah Palin, Lawrence Summer, Bernie Sanders... The list wll only get longer as more details are unveiled.

 

My guess is that at the end of the day, all these nonsense will be abandoned and things will revert back to normal. Afterall, Amercia is the champion of capitalism and Trump is a businessman.

 

As for Trump the President, he has honoured his promises to champion the interest of the workers. However, the resistence from the establishment is so strong that he cannot push them through.

 

"I have tried my best". 

 

 

6. Concluding Remarks

 

Readers might have noticed that, faced with the latest development, I have almost instantaneously jumped into conclusion that what Trump is doing is nothing more than posturing. Is that wishful thinking ?

 

Not really. I adopt such a view guided by my internal compass. The case for protectionsim is so weak and the obstacles so insurmountable that I just cannot imagine how Trump can pull it off. 

 

I have discussed this topic in details in my previous artcile, but I would like to sum up the few important points :-

(a) Economic inefficency - protecitionism will do great damage to American corporations.

(b) Fierce external pushback - retaliations, geopolicital repercussions, WTO obligations.

(c) Ideological incompatability - US is the top capitalist country in the world, and Republicans are pro trade. They control the Congress and Senate now. Trump needs to work with them. And also, Trump is a businessman. 

 

I stick to my view that US is unlikely to turn potectionist. For me, buy export stocks to benefit from the weak Ringgit is still a sound bet. 

Discussions
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VenFx

Wow, icon8888 really light me on.
In short term, mr market & calvin will act differently .
Important is who is the last one to laugh to his bank.

For me,
Commodities with bulk of revenue from Usd is the one need to be watching.

2016-12-05 10:31

VenFx

If the craziness spill over, take advantage from it.

2016-12-05 10:33

Icon8888

Yes, nothing is guaranteed. In stock market, you need to take a bet

NickFury Beijing has lodged a protest with the United States over a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Taiwanese leader Tsai Ing-wen, the foreign ministry said Saturday.


Trump has crazily crossed the basic red line set by China. Never say never. Careful now.
05/12/2016 10:28

2016-12-05 10:34

calvintaneng

Calvin says,

Don't look at the world like a frog inside the well.

Trump's 3 promises were

1) BRING JOBS BACK TO AMERICA. SO BUILD FACTORIES ON AMERICAN SOIL

2) TELL ALL US FACTORIES OVERSEA TO RELOCATE BACK TO THE US. Trump wil offer tax incentives

3) Those USD TRillions stacked away oversea due to high 35% Tax will get reprieve. Tax reduced to a flat 10%. These monies will be channeled into the projected USD Ifrar works for roads, bridges, highways, Mrt, Lrt, Airport & Seaport

The above were Election promises

Todate he told Carrier Company to stay in US & not retrench 1,000 workers.

He is speaking to another US company to keep another 300 jobs

Last night in major US News Media Trumph said he will impose 35% Tax for US companies that continue to defy orders by setting US Co oversea for re export to the USA.

So far we SEE Trump's actions tally with his Election promises.

Calvin is just stating the facts for all fellow i3 forumers.

Each must decide for himself/herself.

2016-12-05 10:38

SuperMan 99

Well done, Icon, agreed with you that nothing is guaranteed in stock market, we have to make best judgement.

Icon8888 Yes, nothing is guaranteed. In stock market, you need to take a bet
05/12/2016 10:34

2016-12-05 10:39

soojinhou

Wracking 35% tariff against American companies will not pass congress because it is against the ethos of free trade of the Republican party.

2016-12-05 10:43

Abismail

Hi icon8888..what is your opinion about BNM new strategy to strength back ringgit...

2016-12-05 11:16

stockraider

If trump were to impose punishment tariff is likely Liihen will suffer badly compare to FLB...Why ?

Liihen is a finish good manufacturer mah.....so if USA don want to import and want to make it themselves....they will impose high tariff loh...!!

FLB is a raw material input manufacturer....which USA company need to import to make furniture themselves mah...!!
If they impose high tariff the USA manufacturer cost will be high loh..!!

So think lah....!!

he...he...he...Raider agree USA can plant tropical trees....!!
They can plant in Florida & Hawaii loh....!!

But not practical mah...it is better to plant coconut in Hawaii and plant orange in Florida compare with planting tropical wood loh...!!

Just imagine the value chain of furniture making like that loh...!!

TREES & wood timber.....!!

Processing to Plywood..!!

Make furniture.....!!

If every process the cost in USA is 50% higher...u can imagine how much it cost practically loh....!!

Just import....the raw material & make furniture...at least ur cost is one round higher at 50% compare with u do every thing with have 3 rounds of 50% higher mah...!!

2016-12-05 11:20

10bagger10

so means that hevea can fly liao?

2016-12-05 11:23

thteh

Thank you Icon. Well written arguments

2016-12-05 12:03

stockraider

This point raider think ICON view is more likely scenario compare to calvin views loh....!!

Yes...export sector is always the 1st line of defense, furthermore most of the export counter have strong balance sheet.
Also weak Rm means more competitive business loh...!!

As regards to calvin domestic focus....raider says it is flaw mah!;

1. The GLC are have high gearing, domestic focus and depend on govt support.
2. The dpmestic consumers have very poor purchasing power especially for cars & properties....thus unable to lend further support
3. Msia govt will face very soft revenue collection as a result of poor economy....furthermore they need to support low income malays thru brim payment etc....not much support can flow to GLC and cronies mah....!!

Therefore alot of these type of companies will face cashflow problem & debt servicing issue loh...!!

WE ARE ACTUALLY IN RECESSION ALREADY LOH....!!

THE SOLACE...RAIDER CAN SEE IN CALVIN STOCK PICKS....IS WITH DEEP DISCOUNT.....THUS HAS GOOD MARGIN OF SAFETY LOH...!!
THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT WOULD NOT LOSE TOO MUCH....BUT WILL BE STUCKED FOR SOMETIME LOH.....!!

YES STILL EXPORT SECTOR IS THE 1ST CHOICE...ONCE MKT DIGESTED THE FREE FALL....THE EXPORT COUNTERS IS DUE TO A RERATING LOH...!!

2016-12-05 12:22

Retired Boss

Very good article

2016-12-05 12:27

Icon8888

raider why recently so active ? anyway nice to see you

2016-12-05 12:37

stockraider

Hi Icon,

Raider has being in active for earlier time....bcos in the side line waiting for mkt to correct loh....recent correction give some opportunity mah......!!

Anyhow mkt is weak.....need time....to consolidate loh....!!
But after that the recovery could be good loh....!!

The key is stock selection in this type of environment mah...!!

2016-12-05 12:42

Alex Lim Jun Xiong

Icon8888, is Affin still a good bet?

2016-12-05 12:47

stockmanmy

cash or exporters.
no third option.

2016-12-06 16:15

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