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Growth vs Value Stocks

 

In my previous article, I have discussed about how to identify quality growth stocks.

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/70874.jsp

 

In summary, a quality growth stock must have good growth in profit and cash flow in tandem with its revenue growth achieved internally like that of Pintaras Jaya. Pintaras Jaya’s net profit grew at a compounded annual rate (CAGR) of 18.5% for the last 10 years from RM9.9m in 2004 to RM54.2m in 2014 without having to ask a single sen from its shareholders and borrow any money from the bank.  Instead it has been distributing hefty and ever increasing dividends from 5 sen eight years ago, up to 30 sen per share in 2014 based on the original share capital of RM80m.

 

In contrast, although London Biscuit revenue has been growing at a CAGR of 20% for the last 10 years, through high price acquisitions, increasing assets utilized with increasing borrowings and new shares issues. Despite of that, its net profit hardly moved. As the number of shares issued have increased substantially, earnings per share (EPS) has dropped by 57% from 20.5 sen 5 years ago to the latest 8.8 sen for the financial year ended 31st December 2014. Dividend, paid using money from right issues and increasing borrowings from banks, has decreased from 15 sen in 2006, to just 1 sen for the last few years.

 

A high quality growth company like Pintaras also produces plenty of cash flow, in particular free cash flow after spending money on capital expenses for growth. A poor quality growth company like London Biscuits doesn’t have any cash left after capital expenses. In fact, it put up its hand to ask additional money from shareholders and banks all the time in the name of growth. In actual fact, its high growth is a huge destroyer of shareholder value instead with its return on capital of 4%, way below its cost on capitals estimated to be about 12%.

 

It is hence easy to identify a quality growth company as opposed to a shareholder value destroying growth company. However, being able to identify that is only the first level thinking. One also needs to analyse if a good quality company is not expensive, and a poor quality company is cheap to invest.

 

Valuation: Back to the Past

Let us go back to the past of 5 years ago to reflect if Pintaras was worthwhile to invest in, and if London biscuits was clearly a lemon to avoid at that time. I know some readers will not be happy as I am using the same examples most of the time to illustrate my points. However, for those who are patience, we may all learn something very useful from these two excellent examples here.

 

London Biscuits

When London Biscuits announced its final 2010 financial results ended 31st December at the end of February 2011 with earnings per share (EPS) of 15.7 sen, LonBis was trading at RM1.00 apiece. At that price, the P/E ratio was just 6.4, a very low value, and hence very cheap indeed, so it appears to. That is how most investors rely on when valuing a share, the simplistic PE ratio, including almost all professional analysts and investment bankers. PE ratio is alright for some companies but often it presents a whole lot of problems. You can refer to the following link of what I am talking about.

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/63417.jsp

 

To summarise, the E in this P/E ratio is an accounting number which can mean anything. For many poorly managed companies, almost all the E reported are dodgy numbers as discussed in the appended article here.

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/45373.jsp

 

Hence I prefer to use another not-easy-to-manipulate metric in times Enterprise value (EV) over its earnings before interest and tax (Ebit), or operating profit as discussed in the same article in PE ratio above, especially for those companies which has substantial debts and minority interest like LonBis. Please refer to the appended link to understand what EV is and its importance in valuation.

 

At an enterprise value of 12.3 times its Ebit 5 years ago, or a before tax earnings yield of 8%, LonBis at RM1.00 was not exactly cheap, considering its poor return on capital, which was at 6.1% then and trending downwards, way below its cost of capital of about 12%.

 

Price-to-book wise, LonBisc appears to be cheap at o.4 times. This it deserves it due to its low ROIC.

 

Its price of just two and a half times cash flow from operations is deceivingly cheap as its CFFO consists of substantial depreciation write back. Not until you consider its free cash flow which is most of the time negative the few years before 2010 because of the management “playing with” the buying and selling of property, plant and equipment all the time! Table 1 in the Appendix shows its “Purchase of PPE” is all the time substantially higher than the CFFO. What kind of business is it when the company needs to spend more upgrading its PPE than the cash it receives, every year consistently without fail? Yet the management wasted away more money in acquiring shares of other public company such as Lay Hong, Khee San at high price resulting heavy losses in investing activities.

 

For other valuation techniques, please refer to the link below:

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/54664.jsp

 

Hence I would not invest in LonBis 5 years ago by considering its low return on capital lower than its costs which is a huge shareholder value destroyer, and its dodgy management actions in manipulation of PPE, empire building and further aggravating its already persistent negative free cash flow.

 

Pintaras Jaya

When Pintaras announced its final 2010 financial results at the end of June 2011 with earnings per share (EPS) of 26 sen, it was trading at RM1.60 apiece. At that price, the P/E ratio was just 6.2, very low and not forgetting that it has a huge amount of excess cash amounting to RM1.22 per share then. Its enterprise value is also extremely low at just 1.2 times its Ebit. Its cash flows were also very healthy with FCF positive all the years. With the abundance of FCF, management has been increasing dividend payment and investing in equity funds earnings higher return from its cash. How could one go wrong investing in Pintaras then?

 

The question is a good high growth company of Pintaras at a pre-one-for-one bonus price RM8.70 now, after rising more than 4 folds in share prices in just 5 years, too expensive any more to invest? And a poor growth company of London Biscuits at 80 sen now, after dropping by 20% since 5 years ago while the broad market rose by more than 50% during the same period, a value buy?

 

Price Vs Growth and Value

Pintaras at the adjusted price of RM4.35 after the bonus issues is trading at a PE ratio of 12.8 and an enterprise value of 8.2 times its 2014 Ebit. It is certainly much more expensive than before. However, with its high return on capital of 30%, healthy balance sheet and cash flow, and the huge increase in job in the coming one year and hence potential for future growth, I believe it is still not expensive at all. A quality high growth company deserves a higher valuation.

 

On the other hand, LonBis at 80 sen, is trading at a PE ratio of 9.1, and an enterprise value 11.5 times its Ebit. This I consider very expensive considering its low and declining ROIC of just 4%, heavy borrowings and huge negative FCF of RM25m. I still won’t touch it with a ten feet pole.

 

Knowing how to identify a high quality growth company and what is a poor quality growth company, and their price versus value relationship will certainly improve one’s investing experience. I am certain that Pintaras and LonBis are not the exceptions. Please refer to the link below.

 

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/63777.jsp

 

Investing, as opposed to speculating and gambling, is not a game of hope, luck and chance.

 

“An investment operation is one which, upon thorough analysis, promises safety of principal and a satisfactory return. Operation not meeting these requirements are speculative”         Benjamin Graham

 

For those who are interested to gain some valuable knowledge in identifying good growth companies, and most of all, buy them cheap, please contact me at ckc15trainig2@gmail.com

 

K C Chong (on the 11th day of Chinese New Year 2015)

 

Appendix

Table 1

Year

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

CFFO, thousands

12128

18452

50211

-19566

39043

27692

24950

7311

13764

Purchase of PPE

-41439

-22012

-91679

-29421

-47696

-32396

-24930

-38515

-21514

Disposal of PPE

4455

8500

0

16382

15532

19107

11548

7988

6317

FCF

-24856

4940

-41468

-32605

6879

14403

11568

-23216

-1433

 

Discussions
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ks55

Growth stock vs cyclic stock.
Investment grade stock vs trading stock.
FA vs TA.
Value investor vs speculator.
Please weigh pro and con.

If serious about investment, convert all non parametric indicators into parametric indicators. All analysis should end with SWOT, and the probability to achieve desired outcome.

2015-03-01 18:46

fortunecheat

Oh my god... Pintaras and London Biscuits again....

2015-03-01 21:23

Dong Yer

Thanks very much for your article, I learn a lot from it.

2015-03-02 11:43

kcchongnz

Posted by fortunecheat > Mar 1, 2015 09:23 PM | Report Abuse

Oh my god... Pintaras and London Biscuits again....


There are different people posting different things and messages in a public forum like this.

1)People who tell you to buy this stock and that stock. Some keep telling you to buy certain stocks, and some tell you new stocks every time. Just follow that and you don't have to know why.

Sometimes the best stocks to buy could be ones that you own and know very well, whenever it is.

2) Some reproduce analysts reports on stock picks here for you to follow. Some are good and some seem to have their own agenda. Bear in mind that the best person to depend on in investing is your own self.

3) Some write articles about certain stocks with quite detail analysis. They are many good ones. Of course there are some not so good one too.If you want to follow in the hope to make money,follow those good ones who have no agenda behind, and you may make some money.

4) Some just post some educational articles for sharing and learning purposes. If you want stock picks, especially new stock picks everyday, these are not for you and you don't have to waste your time to read.

5) Some people post comments, just to antagonize or hantam people without any basis. They seem to get fun out of it. Well this type of comments from this group of people is unproductive.

6) Etc

I put myself in group 4 as seriously I have no stock tips,not good at all in that. In using examples for education and learning purpose, one has to make use of the best examples, of one knows, and Pintaras and London Biscuits are some of the best examples and evergreen ones that I know. They are even good as MBA case studies as a good growth company and a very poor growth company, in my opinion. Well, I know only limited stocks in Bursa which I have to admit it.

As you always searching for stock picks to make money, you are just wasting your time to read my articles as they are not meant for it, and even comment on them. Stay away from these articles for your own sake. I have no such "noble intention" to help you to make money.

But for those who are interested in my articles, I think there must be some as I have read many encouraging comments such as one below, I am happy about that especially if you can give some constructive comments. These people may learn some good fishing skill, and I may learn from them too.


Posted by Dong Yer > Mar 2, 2015 11:43 AM | Report Abuse

Thanks very much for your article, I learn a lot from it.

2015-03-02 13:29

fortunecheat

Relaxed... no need for such lengthy response.. I was just teasing you.

The reasons I like to harass u is because I notice that you are quite harsh to other forum members.

Do we really need to be so rude to others who have a different opinion ?

Can't we be a little bit nice and gentle ?

2015-03-02 19:52

kcchongnz

Posted by fortunecheat > Mar 2, 2015 07:52 PM | Report Abuse

Relaxed... no need for such lengthy response.. I was just teasing you.

The reasons I like to harass u is because I notice that you are quite harsh to other forum members.

Do we really need to be so rude to others who have a different opinion ?

Can't we be a little bit nice and gentle ?


I apologize if I am too blunt in responding to comments but I don't think I am "rude". Please forgive me and continue to comment in my blog. A writer likes readers and comments, if not what is the point of writing?

However, there are many comments do not deserve "nice and gentle" response. Many of them are used as personal attack, not constructive comments. I am just "prescribing the right medicines for those kind of sickness".

I have no problem with your "teasing", or even "harass". Just "put your horses forward". No problem at all.

2015-03-03 07:43

apini

I like this phrase " Sometimes the best stocks to buy could be ones that you own and know very well, whenever it is "

2015-03-03 15:45

apini

佛在灵山莫远求,灵山只在汝心头, ( sometimes we are not aware the best is already in our possession, but still going far to seek for the best)

2015-03-03 15:47

apini

Dear Mr kcchong,

EVM = EV/EBIT, is it ok to exclude the depreciation and amortization in the calculatin?

please kindly enlighten me .thank you

2015-03-03 15:57

kcchongnz

apini,

Ebit already minus off the cost of D&A. If you want to ignore D&A, meaning not less off the D&A cost, use EV/Ebitda.

I don't normally use Ebitda as D&A is a real cost to do business.

Warren Buffett, in a prescient note to shareholders in Berkshire Hathaway’s 2000 annual report, said: “References to Ebitda make us shudder.” Too many investors focus on earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. That makes sense, he said, only if you think capital expenditures are funded by the tooth fairy.

2015-03-03 16:14

apini

thank you very much Mr kcchong, although I have joined your on-line course ,I still had gained a lot of useful knowledge from your article to evaluate a stock before I make a decision to buy or sell .esp the the magic formula. thank you very much Mr Kcchong.
Good health

2015-03-03 17:19

kcchongnz

"KC, how come I don't see any stock recommendation from you nowadays?"

That was the question posted to me during a lunch meet with a couple investment banker friends recently in Empire Shopping Gallery.

Sigh, I am just a small time retail investor and I realy don't know the business of so many listed companies in Bursa. I have limited analytical skill as well as limited information.

I was actually surprised recently to see my articles of Homeritz, Kumpulan Fima and Pintaras Jaya etc which were posted in i3investor appeared in "What is buzzing" in The Edge Magazine.

So may be what apini said below are true to a certain extent.


Posted by apini > Mar 3, 2015 03:45 PM | Report Abuse

I like this phrase " Sometimes the best stocks to buy could be ones that you own and know very well, whenever it is "

Posted by apini > Mar 3, 2015 03:47 PM | Report Abuse

佛在灵山莫远求,灵山只在汝心头, ( sometimes we are not aware the best is already in our possession, but still going far to seek for the best)

2015-03-29 18:43

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