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Technical & Financial Analysis Can Mislead Investors - Koon Yew Yin

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Investors can lose money if they buy shares just based on TA and FA alone and do not consider the kind of business the company is doing. For illustration, I will use AYS which has a good up trending price chart and also a good set of audited accounts.   

As I said many a time before, to be successful in share investing, you do not need to be an accountant but you must have some business sense.

If you open your eyes, you can see there is an oversupply of properties in every town and city in Malaysia and currently a large amount of properties remained unsold. This oversupply situation will take a few years to resolve. As a result, the demand for building materials will also definitely slow down.   

AYS

If you look at AYS’ website you can see that the company is selling building materials and hardware to property developers and building contractors.

Buying AYS is the same as buying shares of any property development company.  

 

 

AYS’ Business

 

Choo Bee Metal Industries

Choo Bee Metal Industry is manufacturing small diameter water pipes, steel tubes, steel purlins etc for the building construction industry.

Many investors are impressed by its EPS of 10.60 sen for 1st quarter ending 31st March 2017, compared with 2.62 sen for corresponding period last year. Moreover, it is selling about 50% below its NTA per share of Rm 4.25.

Why should the share price shot up like a rocket?

As soon as the company announced its fantastic 1st quarter result, many ignorant investors rushed to buy the share as if there is no tomorrow, causing its price to shoot up like a rocket with exceptionally huge volume which you can see on the chart below.   

 

Why should the share price drop like a bomb?

From Bursa announcement, you can see that the Directors and major shareholders such as Soon Cheng Boon, Yeo Seng Chong, Md Lim Mee Hwa, Lee Seng Tzi and Lambaga Tabung Haji are competing to sell their holdings.  

I am obliged to tell you that I do not own AYS or Choo Bee shares. My sole purpose of writing this article is to teach investors not to buy shares based on TA and FA alone. They must look at the company’s business.

Buying AYS or Choo Bee is the same as buying shares of any property development company.

 

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Chart Stock Name Last Change Volume 
AYS 0.555 -0.02 (3.48%) 3,733,400 
 
CHOOBEE 2.23 -0.04 (1.76%) 738,300 

 

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calvintaneng

Calling Probability!

2017-05-28 22:17

abang_misai

Hehe. Selldown on ays & choobee tomorrow. Be the first to get out

2017-05-28 22:19

mike90

KYY still got follower now? lolz.

2017-05-28 22:21

probability

i have given up..

Posted by probability > May 28, 2017 10:21 PM | Report Abuse X

ok, i also lazy to comment on this sandiwara....long live Mr.Koon the business entrepreneur, stockman the PLP king, sifu OTB the TA master, sifu KC the Financial X-ray and all...getting fed up with all these rubbish..

I just need a logical business analysis like a few who can provide in i3 occasionally...i think that's all there is.

2017-05-28 22:23

abang_misai

Buying something you are unsure of is as good as gambling away your money. Respect KYY for his sharp opinion. Tq

2017-05-28 22:23

calvintaneng

WHY SELL CHOOBEE?

CHOOBEE GOT WATER PIPES JUST LIKE JAKS DID

JAKS SHOULD KEEP TO ITS KNITTING IN WATER PIPES RATHER THAN STICK ITS NECK OUT IN VIETNAM POWER PLANTS

SEE

Hi guys,

These are the warning signs for Jaks

I just looked up on Jaks's prospect in Hải Dương Province. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%E1%BA%A3i_D%C6%B0%C6%A1ng_Province


1) Jaks will face low demand & overcapacity in Hanoi.

It has a population of only 1.7 million people. 800,000 are employed and about 500,000 are in agriculture.

So only a mere 300,000 people are in industry.

So will Jaks power plant when ready - will there be enough demand for its power supply?

2) Jaks' power plant might face delay due to Hải Dương Province being a bombed out zone during Vietnam war. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqP2qRfmoQA

In 1972 US B52 Carpet Bomb Hanoi - so the whole place must be cleared of leftover bombs. Jaks' power plant was delayed from starting for 3 years from 2014 to 2017.

So will its completion be also delayed for another 5 years.


3) Earnings from power plants at best reach 6%. See YTL Power example - it has a 6% profit rate. With such low profits even at full capacity by YTL Power will Jaks get a superior return?

4) Cost of Gas & Petrol are expensive in Vietnam compared to Malaysia.
Will Jaks' cost of operation be prohibitive.

5) China Company JV with Jaks is overhyped. Look at BPuri. BPuri already has a JV with China Company in Kuantan for a portion of the Rm15 Billions project award.
By this logic BPuri should be a better option than Jaks?

6) Jaks at 40 sen was cheap because of its NTA over Rm1.00. Jaks over Rm1.58 is trading far above NTA - so there is no margin of safety.

7) Jaks is a Cyclical Counter

prices of Jaks in years past

JAKS RESOURCES

Year...........Px Range Year low...............Year high....

2004......................1.06....................1.91
2005......................0.40....................2.14
2006......................0.40....................0.72
2007......................0.41....................1.51
2008......................0.26....................1.46
2009......................0.31....................0.49

Above figures extracted from STOCK PERFORMANCE GUIDE by Dynaquest (2009 March Edition)

So the best time to buy Jaks was near its bottom of 40 sen. Now is too dangerous to chase Jaks.

The risk and reward does not favour chasing Jaks for now.

2017-05-28 22:24

stockraider

Post removed.Why?

2017-05-28 22:30

abang_misai

Hehe. Luckily I have unloaded ays & choobee last week. A fall of 10% can triggger margin calls. Good luck

2017-05-28 22:39

Patron

Calvin is such an attention seeker for quoting kyy all the time. Mhmm

2017-05-28 22:41

Kukuman

Patron, you are so correct !

Posted by Patron > May 28, 2017 10:41 PM | Report Abuse
Calvin is such an attention seeker for quoting kyy all the time. Mhmm

2017-05-28 22:50

calvintaneng

calvintaneng Posted by probability > May 28, 2017 10:08 PM | Report Abuse

Calvin, suggest you re-post a comment able version of Mr.Koon's sandiwara post below...

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/koonyewyinblog/123964.jsp

Ok Mr Probability

I will post it soon

But I am quite busy.

So please take charge Ok,

Thank you and others in advance
28/05/2017 22:14

2017-05-28 22:51

calvintaneng

probability

ok, i also lazy to comment on this sandiwara....long live Mr.Koon the business entrepreneur, stockman the PLP king, sifu OTB the TA master, sifu KC the Financial X-ray and all...getting fed up with all these rubbish..

I just need a logical business analysis like a few who can provide in i3 occasionally...i think that's all there is.
28/05/2017 22:21

2017-05-28 22:53

shareinvestor88

Any business very much depends on the management to increase profit

2017-05-28 23:03

johnny cash

GOVERNMENT EYES ARE KEEPING A CLOSE WATCH ON KOON ACTIVITIES, AND ALSO OTHER OF HIS GENERALS...WHEN THEY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE, THEY WILL NAILED HIM N HIS COMRADES

2017-05-28 23:06

abang_misai

Hehe. Bangali Johnny Cash, how is your Mudajaya?

2017-05-28 23:13

calvintaneng

HAHAHA!

BUSINESS SENSE IS NOT ENOUGH

YOU NEED EAGLE'S SENSE WITH EAGLE INSIGHT

SEE HOW

JAKS WAS A BARGAIN AT 40 SEN

Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 16, 2014 03:00 PM | Report Abuse X

Whoa!

Top boss bought at 44 cents and above, millions of them. Anything below 40 cents is a bargain!

So don't wait or else Jaks jump Jump JUMP Up And Away!

AND JAKS AT RM1.58 IS AN OVERNIGHT LEFT OVER COLD POTATO NOW.


AMAZON?

YESSSSSS!!

CALVIN TAN CHUN CHUN CALL BUY ON THE FUTURE AMAZON OF MALAYSIA


DRB-HICOM!!!

YEEEEEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

2017-05-29 00:31

stockmanmy

hahaha I like this article, I really do.

A public forum such as i3 has been dominated by FA and TA technicians without business sense for far too long already.

My guiding principle for stock selection is good business, good people and good numbers in this order.

If every FA wants to buy high NTA, low PE and strong Balance Sheet...(and they don't even adequately cover the business) ..when high NTA, low PE and strong Balance Sheet is actually found, what do you call these? I cal them left overs, like the wall flowers in dancing party. It is not going to be very lucrative if your whole portfolio is full of left overs and wall flowers.

On the other hand, Amazon is a 500 bagger but what FA tools can the FA experts use to buy and hold on to Amazon shares to ride the rise of Amazon? Again, reinforcing the idea that business sense is the number one skill to be a hugely successful investor.

Even financial guru Warren Buffet recently admitted he was wrong to have overlooked Amazon and didn't have the financial smarts to buy Amazon. Even Warren Buffet admits there is room for improvements in his arsenal.

So...would the i3 warren buffet wannabes dare say he is so perfect he has no room for further improvements?

2017-05-29 00:35

stockmanmy

It is not going to be very lucrative if your whole portfolio is full of left overs and wall flowers.


calvin...dedicated to you....you are living proof, 224 out of 230.

2017-05-29 00:39

stockmanmy

It is not going to be very lucrative if your whole portfolio is full of left overs and wall flowers.

............even maths teacher only slightly better in the rankings.

2017-05-29 00:42

calvintaneng

Post removed.Why?

2017-05-29 00:43

stockmanmy

Juice

I call it maths / physics envy.

To some people, they think they arm themselves with a fixed set of formulas can go out and conquer the world of investments.

Engineers do love their formulas, don't they?

2017-05-29 01:54

Jon Choivo

For every amazon, the NASDAQ is littered with dead and bankrupt tech companies.

Amazon was only a good buy starting from like 3-4 years ago.

2017-05-29 02:12

stockmanmy

So Warren Buffet recently admitted he was wrong and he did not have the financial smarts to buy Amazon ...but what made WB into WB was his strength and ability to buy turnarounds.

In turnaround situations, you will find wrecked Balance Sheets, littered with loans and borrowings, low profitability, high PEs...yet off the Balance Sheet, off the audited accounts, a developing story of improving environment, a compelling story you have to dig out....like when WB bought into oil and gas industry, airline industry, banks and insurance companies , railroads and each time, after major crisis in the particular industry.

Growth stocks and turnarounds have no easy formulas to follow, each case is different but they offer some of the best returns.

Jaks , growth story and Sendai, turnaround story are good local examples.

2017-05-29 05:44

slacko

my guess is that he will later promote CSCSTEL instead :)

2017-05-29 06:10

stockmanmy

slacko

you should buy CSC now...don't wait.

2017-05-29 06:22

3iii

>>>>Posted by calvintaneng > May 29, 2017 12:43 AM | Report Abuse

THIS IS THE PROOF


Blog: A New Lesson For Investors - Koon Yew Yin (A new Ponzi Game by Uncle Koon (Calvin comments)
May 28, 2017 09:18 AM | Report Abuse

CCCL
Why for the past few years still the same stocks selection.
12/01/2017 22:49

Actually I selected quite a good number of Stocks.



PRESTAR IS MY NO.11 STOCK TO HIT 100% PROFIT!

Top 4 hit 200% Gain! And next 6 hit 100% Profit! And today Prestar hit Rm1.00 briefly (Up 100% from my call to buy at 50 cts (Calvin bought it for only 46 cts when it was still cold as cucumber!) http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/92608.jsp

1) Jaks (200%)
2) Pohuat (Power huat) (200%)
3) SILK (200%)
4) Super Enteprize (200%)
5) Supermax (100%)
6) Jerasia (100%)
7) MyEG (My Emas Gold) (100%)
8) Pm Corp (100%)
9) Ipmuda (Limit up more than 100%!)
10) Ajiya (100%)
11) NOW TODAY LATEST IS PRESTAR or Pre STAR - Buy it before it turns into a Star http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/92608.jsp

And more fuller list

See how Calvin made these chun chun calls over 3 years in i3 forum:

GO CHECK THESE OUT CAREFULLY:

1) Super Enterprize made 200%
2) Pohuat made 200% (All furniture stocks bull run Calvin called to buy)
3) Silk made 200%
4) JAKS (Jaks jump, jump, JUMPED from 40 cts to Rm1.20 (UP A NICE 200%)
5) MyEG made 100%
6) AJIYA made 100%
7) Supermax made 100%
8) JERASIA made 100%
9) IPMUDA made more than 100% & LIMIT UP!
10) Pm CORP made 100% (3 Times in 3 years)
11) PRESTAR (Pre Star buy it before it turns into a Star) Made 70%
12) ASB (Up 50%)
13) KHEESAN Made 80%
14) PADINI made 90%
15) TAWIN (Big win) Up 80%
16) Kimlun - The Golden Dragon made 60%
17) THE STORE (Up 25%)
18) NTPM - (King of Tissue) Up 40%
19) WANGZNG - King of Fortress (Up 40%)
20) MAHSING - The Singing Horse (Up 25%)
21) MAYBULK - The rebound of Baltic Dry Index (Up 90%)
22) CEPATWAWASAN - Cepat cepat beli (Up 40%)
23) NYLEX - Up 20%
24) Southern Steel (Up 30%)
25) KULIM (Taken private) Up 60%
26) TMakmur (Land of Prosperity. Taken private) Up 37%
27) KPSCB (Kaboom Power Surging) Up 45%
28) MASTEEL (Master of Long Steel) Made 60%
29) THPLANT (Up 15%)
30) BPLANT (Up 12%)
31) JTIASA (Giant Treasure) (Up 40%)
32) MHC PLANT (Up 15%)
33) CPO FUTURE (Up 15%)
34) INSAS (Up 11%)
35) WASEONG (Up 20%)
36) MFCB (My Father Comes Back) Made 40%
37) Cyclical 11MP Election stocks KKB (Kaboom Kaboom Booming) Up 35%
38) Cyclical 11MP Election stocks CMSB (Up15%)
39) RceCapital (The Best of Banking: Legalised Ah Long) Made 60%

LATEST ANNOUNCEMENTS:

THE STORE GOING TO BE TAKEN PRIVATE FOR 50% PROFIT OR MORE THAN 18% FOR EACH YEAR OF 3 YEARS!!

AND PRESTAR WILL BE ANOTHER 100% JACKPOT SOON!!

SO 4 STOCKS MADE 200% (Super Enterprize, Jaks, Silk & Pohuat)

6 STOCKS MADE 100% (Ipmuda, Supermax, Ajiya, Jerasia, Pm Corp & My EG)

4 STOCKS TAKEN PRIVATE FROM 37% to 200% GAIN
KULIM, TMAKMUR, THE STORE & SUPER ENTERPRIZE!


Can you CALCULATE?

The Top 10 Stocks already gained 1,400%!!


EXTRA! EXTRA!!

CALVIN WAS STUCK IN LAST TIME

now ANOTHER 10 CHUN CHUN STOCKS UP 100% EACH!

SKBSHUTTERS - NOW UP 100%

AZRB warrant - NOW UP 100%

INSAS warrant - NOW UP 100%

DRB - NOW UP 100%

DRB C30 - NOW UP A NICE 200%

ASB - UP 100%

PRICE WORTH -worth it - UP 100%

NOTION - UP 100%

PADINI - UP 100%

TAWIN (Big Win) UP 100%


GO TO THEIR RESPECTIVE FORUMS AND LOOK THEM UP ONE BY ONE.<<<<


Calvin,

For the record in 3i,

How many stocks have you recommended the last 10 years?

How many of your recommended stocks did you buy over the last 10 years?

How many stock transactions (buy and sell) did you average yearly?



Why is the above relevant?

Calvin recommended Jaks in 2005 at 40 sen and today it is worth 300% or 400% more.

Did you buy Jaks in 2005?

Did you hold onto Jaks till today?

How long do you usually hold your stocks?

When do you sell your stocks?

[By the way, I bought a particular stock in 2005 too, and today it is a 12 bagger, not including the dividends.]

2017-05-29 06:56

slacko

Csc is at PE10 while choobee is at PE 7. With the anticipated selldown, choobee will be at PE 6 with a special dividen of 9 sen that translates to 4.5%. Any investor can easily identify which one is a better buy :)

2017-05-29 07:48

Patron

I can also talk cock . I bought amazon I bought google I bought Apple I bought Bitcoin I am now a billionaire kikiki

2017-05-29 08:09

stockraider

3iii,

For the record in 3i and investlah,

How many stocks have you recommended the last 10 years?

How many of your recommended stocks did you buy over the last 10 years?

How many stock transactions (buy and sell) did you average yearly?



Why is the above relevant?

3iii recommended Nestle in 2005 at Rm 6.00 and today it is worth 1200% more.

Did you buy Nestle in 2005 and how many shares ?

Did you hold onto Nestle till today?

How long do you usually hold your stocks?

When do you sell your stocks?

BTW ASKING PEOPLE THIS TYPE OF PERSONAL DIRECT QUESTION DON U THINK RUDE LEH ??

2017-05-29 08:10

bgt9963

Ka ki kong,ka ki song......

2017-05-29 08:13

feimah

lMO MrK is discrediting good steel company which he doesn't own. Likely his nx article will promote those steel company that he have..

2017-05-29 09:03

stockmanmy

haha
slacko another PE purist

I am buying CSC

2017-05-29 09:17

pputeh

There he goes again discrediting some companies. Remember his trick on GADANG. He said the Qr would be bad. Gadang fell to 80 sen. You know who collected this share. When it went higher to rm1.20 he said made wrong analysis and sold all his shares collected at a low price. Be very very careful . Maybe he wants to collect then

2017-05-29 09:19

slacko

stockmanmy...i wish you good wealth on csc with the current PE 10...and please help to push choobee lower...if possible make it PE 5 or something :)

2017-05-29 09:23

Ricky Yeo

I don't disagree with what KYY wrote that business sense is important, that is part of fundamental analysis anyway. Financial analysis is a part of fundamental analysis and there's a valid reason for most investors to start from financial because that is the easiest place to start learning, before branching out to learn more about the industry and business as a whole.

And if financial analysis is not enough, suffice to say the golden rule (current Q eps has to be higher than previous Q eps), which is build on the entirety of financial analysis, mislead investors as well.

2017-05-29 09:31

stockmanmy

too bad I don't have the shares to short...you lend me Choo Bee to short?


slacko > May 29, 2017 09:23 AM | Report Abuse

stockmanmy...i wish you good wealth on csc with the current PE 10...and please help to push choobee lower...if possible make it PE 5 or something :)

2017-05-29 09:33

stockmanmy

CSC

The largest manufacturer of CRC products in Malaysia. CSCSTEL (listed in Dec 2004) is engaged in the upstream of the steel value chain, manufacturing and marketing of pickled and oiled steel (PO), cold rolled coil (CRC) products, hot dipped galvanised steel (GI steel) and pre painted galvanised steel (PPGI) or colour coated steel. The group operates in the mid-stream of the steel value chain. The stock is a resilient play on the steel sector amid diversified revenue base to buffer fluctuation in the industry in the construction & property, manufacturing & Industrial, automotive and others. Since inception, CSCSTEL was able to ride on the tough operating environment largely unscathed, thanks to its hands-on management, solid balance sheet, sound business structure, product acceptance and operational efficiency coupled with strong backing from its parent, China Steel Corp, Taiwan.
The company is situated in Ayer Keroh Industrial Estate in Melaka. It has the capacity to produce 40,000 metric tons of P&O, 440,000 metric tons of CRC, 240,000 metric tons of GI and 120,000 metric tons of PPGI steel annually. CSCSTEL’s main raw material, hot rolled steel (HRC), is mainly supplied by its parent company and its related companies in Taiwan and Vietnam. The group’s downstream customers are the steel pipe makers, steel drum makers, roll formers for roof sheet and cladding and steel service centres. In 2016, the capacity utilization rate of the plant is 90% and its main market is in Malaysia with less than 20% of its revenue derived from exports.

which you rather hold...CSC or choo bee?

2017-05-29 11:30

stockraider

CSC ANOTHER FAILED PROMOTION OF KYY....THE LATEST ANNUAL REPORT STILL SHOWS HIM HOLDING THE STOCK BUT AT A VERY MUCH REDUCED AMOUNT OF SHARES LOH...!!

CHOOBEE V CSC WHO IS BETTER AH ?
RAIDER THINK BOTH SHOULD BE GOOD...BASED ON RAIDER ESTIMATION CSC AND CHOOBEE SHOULD TRADE ABOUT THE SAME PRICE LOH..!!

BUT REALITY IS THAT MKT ACCORD A HIGHER VALUATION TO CHOOBEE COMPARE TO CSC LOH....!!
WHY LEH....? bCOS THEY ARE WORRIED KYY WILL SELLDOWN HIS HOLDING ON CSC MAH...!!

2017-05-29 11:54

stockmanmy

Since stock levels at Choo Bee is at record level, stock write off at Choo Bee will be horrendous if prices come down because iron ore prices have come down about 40% recently..................

2017-05-29 12:16

stockraider

BTW...IF STEEL STOCK IMPAIRMENT....BOTH CSC AND CHOOBEE WILL SUFFER TOO MAH....!!

CSC N CHOOBEE ARE TWIN BROTHERS MAH....!!

2017-05-29 12:18

stockmanmy

you have to look at their respective stock levels then....Choo Bee is a steel trader and speculator.....Choo Bee bet the farm that prices will keep going up...CSC is just normal stock level at March 2017.

2017-05-29 12:20

stockraider

U UNDERSTAND STEEL BUSINESS OR NOT ?

CHOOBEE MANUFACTURER LIKE CSC TOO MAH...!!

2017-05-29 12:22

3iii

Nestle in 2005 was not a $5 or $6 stock.

It is a counter I have added on a regular basis.

In 2006, its share price was about $ 22.00.

There are some in this forum who is not interested in the truth.

2017-05-29 12:50

stockraider

Posted by 3iii > May 29, 2017 12:50 PM | Report Abuse

Nestle in 2005 was not a $5 or $6 stock.

It is a counter I have added on a regular basis.

In 2006, its share price was about $ 22.00.

There are some in this forum who is not interested in the truth.

BTW 3iii ANOTHER BULLSHIT BUGGERS...RM 22.00 TO NOW RM 81.40 WHERE GOT 12 BAGGERS LEH ??

IT IS ONLY ABOUT 3 TO 4 BAGGERS M,AH...!!

CONSIDER GOOD LOH...!!

HOW MANY SHARE U OWN LEH ?

2017-05-29 13:04

calvintaneng

Post removed.Why?

2017-05-29 14:04

Junichiro

Technical analysis is used for spotting windows of opportunity to make $$$. This window of opportunity does not last long n if u failed to take advantage of it due work etc, it is already long gone. Then it must be acted quickly when the sell opportunity arises.

If u use TA to play long term, u would probably be trapped.

2017-05-29 15:33

3iii

Within my portfolio of small number of stocks:

one has delivered a 10 bagger.

one has delivered 36 bagger

one has delivered a 12 bagger.

many have delivered between 5 to 10 baggers.


If dividends were to be included, this total returns are a lot higher.

Of course, you can only have these performances in a long term portfolio.


:-)

2017-05-29 17:16

slacko777

so today session ended with CSCSTEL down 3.4% while CHOOBEE was down by 3.1% :).

2017-05-29 17:44

slacko777

you need to buy CSC more stockmanmy

2017-05-29 17:45

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