Posted by mamatede > 2019-03-26 22:44 | Report Abuse

lari Liao. stagnation period.

Posted by Outliar > 2019-04-05 00:59 | Report Abuse

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/petron-gets-court-strike-out-rm109-mil-suit-konsortium-lordsaberkat

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-05 06:59 | Report Abuse

I guess striking out a lawsuit is a good news?

Posted by SimonLee76 > 2019-04-05 13:33 | Report Abuse

I wouldn't count on it. Lawsuits are know to drag on for years..... . Even if they won the suit it would only be a one off. Doesn't affect much on the long term prospect of the company.

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-05 14:42 | Report Abuse

strike out lawsuit means settle outside court wor... how is that not good?

Posted by SimonLee76 > 2019-04-05 15:35 | Report Abuse

I mean if they win it then it would just be a one off. Nothing much affecting the long term prospect.

Posted by sheldon > 2019-04-07 04:11 | Report Abuse

Any idea if Petron had actually provided for the 110m legal suit or merely disclosed it?

Posted by Choivo Capital > 2019-04-08 11:51 | Report Abuse

Its not provided, merely disclosed, as the court have striked it out before.

if it was provided, it will be stated.

Posted by sheldon > 2019-04-08 15:25 | Report Abuse

TQ Choivo

Posted by 9share > 2019-04-15 10:35 | Report Abuse

Turbo__An Oil and Gas equipment supply company with very good FA. Last Q EPS 3.06 sen and declared 2 sen dividend. Worth to consider, buy for medium term while most of the good O&G counters already goreng Up. Only Turbo remain at low price. It is a matter of time the price will be adjusted back to RM1.20/1.50.

Posted by dnlt > 2019-04-19 11:57 | Report Abuse

Looking at the crack spread in the last month, the worst should be over.

Posted by Parttimer > 2019-04-19 14:20 | Report Abuse

agreed with dnlt...

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-19 17:57 | Report Abuse

Next QR is going to be very good! buy now before too late! Dividend declare by month end!

Posted by dnlt > 2019-04-19 19:07 | Report Abuse

Upcoming Q1 is for Jan till Mar. Crack spread was still very weak then. Hopefully they don't lose money.

Posted by meistsk3134 > 2019-04-20 22:32 | Report Abuse

when will hit 15 above

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-20 22:45 | Report Abuse

very soon give it 2 or 3 QRs

Posted by sheldon > 2019-04-23 12:09 | Report Abuse

The dividend for the financial year has already been revealed at 20 sen per share.

If the share price is not performing then shareholders look forward to dividends but this co is under performing insofar as dividends are concerned.

Compared to other foreign-controlled company Petron is an odd company. Companies from Amway to Carlesberg to F&N & BAT all declare big dividends. At 135m shares, 20 sen only amount to RM27m which is a very tiny amount compared to RM1.53b in reserves.

Posted by SimonLee76 > 2019-04-23 16:25 | Report Abuse

With no big Capex in sight, I don't think the excuse of reinvesting the profit back into the business could be viable....

Posted by mamatede > 2019-04-24 11:23 | Report Abuse

I heard people talking about San Miguel wanting to sell out their stake in Malaysia's Petronm?

Posted by antoniomc27 > 2019-04-25 01:16 | Report Abuse

Hi guys, I am interested to know more about PetronM business model. From my point of view, there are 3 main sources of income:
A. Crack spread
B. Profit over the oil-related products it sells at the pump
C. Retail sales of their Petron Kedai

A will see variations in margin, but not in volume unless they expand their refinery in PD. Margin will work, all else being equal in terms of operating costs, as follows: the higher the oil price, the better the margin for PetronM.

B margin will be set by the government and it is not too big.

C margin is good.

B and C volumes are roughly proportional to the number of clients they have. And unless big policy changes that shift people away of their cars, or unless brand recognition / marketing activities suddenly failed, this is roughly proportional to the number of stations PetronM has.

So far, am I right?

Some bonus questions:

1. Do they sell what they refine to other companies, or everything they refine in PD ends up being sold in their Petron stores?

2. What percentage of PBT is contributed by A, B, C above?

3. Where I live (around Sban, NSDK), Petron is expanding aggressively, having opened 6 stores in the last 18 months. I find their strategy here very smart. Right now there are not many people living in this area, but it is growing very fast: Msia Vision Valley, potential HSR being reinstated, many industrial parks, KLIA is close, potential Air Asia hub coming in Labu...

But how much does it take to start boosting profit once you have opened stores? I heard in this forum that breakeven for a station is 7 years. Anyways, about all these stores, I think they will take time to be profitable, but once population doubles around this area, they will have a competitive advantage because they are really picking top spots for their stations.

Thanks a lot if you take the time to answer me.

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-25 07:27 | Report Abuse

sheldon 3.0% Yield not bad oredi wor... don't greedy leh

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-25 07:28 | Report Abuse

Choivo boy help help, this guy got some good questions

Posted by mamatede > 2019-04-26 10:46 | Report Abuse

petronm is cutting its dividend, means poor quarter ahead.

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-26 10:51 | Report Abuse

that's not correct

Posted by Choivo Capital > 2019-04-26 10:54 | Report Abuse

B & C historically contribute 400mil per year, before un-allocated opex.

Refining is either 0 to 50 mil in a bad year, 150-250 in a good year.

Div. If they have good places to reinvest the earnings at high rate of return, id rather they don't pay div at all.

If they don't, id rather they pay out the div.

Break-even and profit is different kind of number. 7 year to break-even is 15% per annum. I'm fine with those numbers.

Profit per petrol station i don't have the numbers. But their actions and how they do business make sense to me.

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Posted by antoniomc27 > Apr 25, 2019 1:16 AM | Report Abuse

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-04-26 11:12 | Report Abuse

So choivo boy, do you think they are using the cash efficiently? or it's better to payout?

Posted by mamatede > 2019-04-29 00:36 | Report Abuse

So far from people inside, Petronm has slowed their expansion a lot to improve their current operations.

Posted by geary > 2019-04-29 19:04 | Report Abuse

Oil Scenario...!!!
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Fat-Margins-Have-Disappeared-Big-Oil-Disappoints.html

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-05-01 18:00 | Report Abuse

crack spread looking very very good

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-05-01 18:01 | Report Abuse

PUNTER's rough estimate for the upcoming QR will have 45 million profit

Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-05-01 18:02 | Report Abuse

worst case scenario 45 million profit, we come back and see 20+ days later

Posted by sheldon > 2019-05-01 21:56 | Report Abuse

I dread to make any predictions after my last quarter 2018 disastrous way off on a tangent prediction. However from my superficial observation of the prices which inclined Jan to Mar 2019, it should be good. Unless of course the management said that they had hedged.

Share price is somewhat under-valued but buybacks may not be possible as it may breach the minimum public spread.

Posted by Choivo Capital > 2019-05-02 19:38 | Report Abuse

If i had to make a guess on this q results. Should be better, though borrowing likely to increase from govt subsidies not yet received.

Posted by PH_pakatan_menipu > 2019-05-04 13:46 | Report Abuse

509 marks PH 1 year in power. Petrol RM 1.5/ltr mere a cheat to win GE14?

Posted by chshzhd > 2019-05-07 10:39 | Report Abuse

good time to buy some

Posted by Carson Teor > 2019-05-08 17:20 | Report Abuse

Petronm make about 95 million profit this coming QR

Posted by Carson Teor > 2019-05-09 09:14 | Report Abuse

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2019/05/08/petron-net-income-plunges-77-to-p1-3-billion-in-january-march/

Posted by Airline Bobby > 2019-05-09 09:44 | Report Abuse

Good earnings from msia xD

Posted by john0909 > 2019-05-09 10:31 | Report Abuse

not all profit are under petronm only... it shares with its sister companies as well... take note...

Posted by Carson Teor > 2019-05-09 11:10 | Report Abuse

it mention the profit from Malaysia is 1.2b peso, any other sister from Malaysia beside petronm ?

Posted by Carson Teor > 2019-05-09 11:23 | Report Abuse

with that about 0.35 EPS consider very good

Posted by KL Tneoh > 2019-05-09 11:47 | Report Abuse

The 1.2 billion peso included Petron Fuel International Sdn Bhd which operate around 310 Petron petrol stations.

Their net profit is around RM25-30 millions each quarter, hence PetronM estimate net earning should be around RM66-70 millions.

Posted by villa1668 > 2019-05-09 23:12 | Report Abuse

Yes Petronm! Continue to love you

Posted by chshzhd > 2019-05-09 23:54 | Report Abuse

so eps this q should be about 25 sen

Posted by Choivo Capital > 2019-05-10 10:31 | Report Abuse

I think PFI is around 50m per q. Either way, im fine.

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KL Tneoh The 1.2 billion peso included Petron Fuel International Sdn Bhd which operate around 310 Petron petrol stations.

Their net profit is around RM25-30 millions each quarter, hence PetronM estimate net earning should be around RM66-70 millions.
09/05/2019 11:47 AM

Posted by kieferchong9 > 2019-05-28 00:39 | Report Abuse

HengYuan QR not good probably Petron also not good as well

Posted by sheldon > 2019-05-29 15:34 | Report Abuse

waiting for the results with much trepidation

Posted by Outliar > 2019-05-30 20:04 | Report Abuse

Not bad, 21.3 EPS, pretty decent and way better than Hengyuan

Posted by sheldon > 2019-05-31 09:39 | Report Abuse

Wow, wow, wow - The issue is the lack of consistency caused by the vagaries of world oil prices

Posted by Carson Teor > 2019-05-31 14:35 | Report Abuse

profit 57M, but net cash from operations is 432M, that is very good