There are some less credible comments made above to clarify:
Comment 1 - "400mm is Taiwan Standard, maybe 800mm now"
Fact 1 - "TSMC is in early stages of exploration and research of 400mm wafer. The major roadblock for 400mm wafer chips is that the development of 400mm wafer requires costs that are so significant that, at the moment, even if mass produced, cannot be recovered at a profit.
In layman terms, Cost to develop and mass produce a 400mm wafer chip for iPhone = US$10,000 per fragment wafer Revenue earned from selling a wafer chip to iPhone = US$500 per fragment wafer
Thus, 400mm wafer chip is still light years away"
Comment 2 - "200mm wafer is useless"
Fact 2 - "200mm is the most used semiconductor chip in EV. It is also the main reason for the global chip shortage. While 300mm wafer chip is widely used in phones, it is less used for EVs"
It's timmmmmeeeeeee ... not UFC but another semiconductor 101 (and a some corrections)
I am going to use very simplistic explanations so you can get a flavour.
We know SilTerra's capacity is 46,000 wafer starts per month. (I am not going to factor losses or yields)
SilTerra processed 200mm wafer. A wafer will contain many dies (circuit) aka chip. Assuming the dimension of the chip as 10X10mm. This according to the semicond thesaurus should work out to be around 250 die per wafer (DPW)
So working backwards on Foxconn's EV plans of producing 55K cars and assuming 10 chips (easier on my mental maths ya) per car.
Thus for the year Foxconn would need 55,000 X 10 = 550,000 chips
This will translate to 550,000 / 250 = 2,200 wafers
That is equal to less than 5% of SilTerra's capacity for a month.
So how are they going to fill in the other 95%?
That's why I say the best thing SilTerra can do manufacture anything and everything for anyone (since they are a pure play foundry) to their maximum capacity. Not just EV but also MEMS, etc.
Of course it's an oversimplifications but i hope you can appreciate the scope and shout less about EV and what's not. (I appreciate the enthusiasm of folks here but let's not go overboard with Foxconn EV in particular).
BTW no EV chip is the same for all producers. Even your laptop processors are different (esp Intel and AMD).
BUT customers can either use SilTerra BCD tools to develop their chips or bring their photomask for production at SilTerra knowing that SilTerra's technology and processes are already certified Grade 0 for automotive technology standards.
It does not matter at present whether 200 or 300 or 400mm mostly. What you get is more DPW plus some thickness variability.
At this stage should focus more on the backend of line (BEOL) capacity as each cluster of equipment is dedicated for certain product / technology example aluminum or copper etc ..
My guess - and I could be wrong - they are adding equipment in that area so there could be more linearity in the production flow rather than start-stop for each type.
Eg for those who are familiar with the prawn mee in the MPPJ area - that guy (don't know if he is still there) at peak hour will only serve bee hoon-mee. Nothing else. That's linearity .. same product over and over.
PPS 200/300/400 seems to be boys toilet comparing length of errr the birdie ..
IMHO Technical wise, just break down trend line 3 days ago. Currnrly pullback. Trading box idea still valid. Uptrend? Still early to say. Need to make proper HL HH. Whay important is price above 20/50/200MA.
2 years to Upgrade is too long...Chips shortages may be over. USA and EU economy could in recession or stalling in 2 years bcos they borrow too much to Bail Covid...Interest rate will surely Climb bcos of price inflation
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There are some less credible comments made above to clarify:
Comment 1 - "400mm is Taiwan Standard, maybe 800mm now"
Fact 1 - "TSMC is in early stages of exploration and research of 400mm wafer. The major roadblock for 400mm wafer chips is that the development of 400mm wafer requires costs that are so significant that, at the moment, even if mass produced, cannot be recovered at a profit.
In layman terms,
Cost to develop and mass produce a 400mm wafer chip for iPhone = US$10,000 per fragment wafer
Revenue earned from selling a wafer chip to iPhone = US$500 per fragment wafer
Thus, 400mm wafer chip is still light years away"
Comment 2 - "200mm wafer is useless"
Fact 2 - "200mm is the most used semiconductor chip in EV. It is also the main reason for the global chip shortage. While 300mm wafer chip is widely used in phones, it is less used for EVs"