Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-20 03:31 | Report Abuse

Haha I got you! - can't believe you fall for that facebook thing -people who have these facebook myspace have too much free times on their hand :) I was looking at one of the tread yesterday and this fella ask you for one at 4 am or something and thought it was funny! but thanks for the email though :)
Btw are you sure yungsheng wants to sell at .75 because he is telling us to buy and thought it was 1.50 for the target price? I'll have to check with him :)

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-20 03:40 | Report Abuse

o.k checking on his comments there seems to be a few selling price
aug 19 10.17p.m 2.00 +
aug 19 3.11p.m 0.90
aug 16 9.33p.m 0.75
aug 16 9.21p.m 0.705
aug 16 8.26p.m 0.80
aug 11 4.45p.m 0.80 - 1.20
I'll check with him after raya and see what price to buy and what to sell? I'll get back to you KC - sure you dun want to be in on this one? dun regret later!

Posted by CP TEH > 2012-08-20 08:09 | Report Abuse

Hi frank

Thanks bro for the promotion. Haha. Well, I m certainly not going to talk about speculative stocks such as KNM, but when he kept mentioning the word 'investing', it is not right. There are huge differences between investing and trading. You can trade KNM at the moment if you know how but you should never buy-n-hold such speculative stocks. If a person buy and accidentally got stacked with such stocks, we have to admit that we were not right, and think critically how we should rectify the situation, rather than insisting we are investing or wanting to be right. To me, preservation of capitals is more important to show I m right?

Opportunity cost - this is another thing newbies need to learn. With our funds stucked for long time into such stocks, how are we going to buy into something better for us to profit? Unless one has infinite resource of funds?

Admitting wrong, analyses critically our mistakes, then only one could learn to be better trader or nvestor. Without knowing such basics, there is no way we could improve. Never be in state of denial. Be real, always. Be logical and critical.

In sept 2011, when some of my tratles came to me and shown me their portfolios, I critically asked them some questions. Whether to cut loss or not, the final decisions are still theirs. With stocks like iris, KNM, Saag, hwgb ... Even I remembered some remisiers asking them to buy perwaja at rm1plus, how not to lose money? There are few of them with about 10 to 15 stocks in hands, mostly losing 20 to 60% below their cost prices. How will you advise them? I never advise anyone as I m not licensed to do such, but I just tell them some painful facts, pour some cold water into their unrealistic dreams or target prices. Then, I changed their mindset ... Making them to realize how market actually works, teach them some basics ... They are on the way to recovery, and will do well some day.

With many appreciate my pointers, and feel appreciated, it is natural for me to advise some novices here when I see such calls to buy KNM? No doubt that many newbies will be attracted to the huge profits in short days, but they will be the one get trapped and silently biting on paper losses.

That is how market works, anyway. Just be very careful.

When things getting too good to be true, it is not true. Waking up and pick up the pieces, learning to be strong again and making more logical trades in future, hopefully.

Yes, do listen to kc or some good ones here. It is all personal opinions, anyway.

TEH

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-20 08:58 | Report Abuse

Hi CP, no worries - I noticed despite the uncertainties and earlier plunged of this stock - it still got unbelievable amount of followers. Incredible to say the least. The worst is there are so many newbies following blindly. we even have 'dart thrower'here doing pretty well - no more the need to research and do homework! What you said above and many times in the past made a lot of sense. It's always good to have people like you,KC,chong and some others to guide but sad to say that many still will not listen - there is only so much you can do :) Big fan of your blog and thanks for sharing. Hope you're having a great holiday so far - at least it gives you some much needed rest. Hopefully for the knm holders the fundamental improves and all can make $$$$.

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-20 10:37 | Report Abuse

if USA currency and ENGLAND currency is recovery. then knm company might be earn more money than before.then knm able to pay their debt to the debtor.and knm will planning to give dividend to share holder. i hope CP TEH dun angry with me .what i say before in this forum.i just tell who interested to buy knm share when the price right now is lowest.short term
TP 0.710 TO 0.900

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-20 11:52 | Report Abuse

Frank, and I quote:

Posted by yungshen1 > Aug 16, 2012 09:33 PM

not yet . i prefer sell tomorow at 0.750

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-20 12:10 | Report Abuse

I am not the one bothered people listen or not, because I don't profit from them. This forum is about sharing. I try lay down my facts and see if they wanna pick it from there. If they chose not to, I will still cheer them on if that is the counter they have decided on. Good thing is we can learn from their selecting of the counter. I never thought of researching KNM, but hey, it was fun. A 50-50 stock towards recovery or not! And then I have learned facts like their owner general Lee is one of the richest man in Malaysia. And still recall Mr Market can chose to bite back at you in a moment's notice.

There are some generally concerned about well-being of others, like CP Teh, so its also a learning point who to take up pointers from. There are some good lads too like yungshen1 who stuck to his believe, when all chips are down. I only ignore and reply harshly to idiots and twits trying to be too funny, and some of you may know who they are from other threads.

Anyway, good luck to KNM holders. Some of you who had suffered since the free fall from its heyday, I hope you all recover back and also learn what some of the masters of old had said to make you all better & careful investors.

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-20 17:00 | Report Abuse

Just wake up,i feel that here full with the explosive,muahahahahaaa
Kc loh n frank,i know u two r good seniors n try to help all the newbies, before this,i had meet kc fan at other forum,he also try to help me.(between i can't believe that u two dont have a Facebook account, hahaha,better go n open one,ur life will be more colorful after this )n thanks again try to help me solve out my problem, u need to know,i respect u all,not because of i want to flatter u all.=)
Different people different opinion, who don't want earn money in short term?but sometimes also must be flexible, long term or short term i dont care much,but make sure it can earn money,people also will go for it (my opinion only)
Last,good luck for myself n other investors either in this counter or other counter =)especially yungshen

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-20 17:10 | Report Abuse

Go n open fb,add me after that,hiak hiak,kfc n pizza ,xD

Posted by kcfan > 2012-08-20 17:16 | Report Abuse

is a little like a movie theater that has a special rule where if you want to leave the theater you need to find someone outside the theater to take your seat. This is because for every trade there is both a buyer and a seller. This analogy is useful in understanding why investors can collectively behave irrationally and drive stock prices up or down far beyond their intrinsic value. When consensus is reached about what the next big thing will be, everyone piles in, paying any price to get a seat. At other times, people see smoke in the theater, and everyone wants to rush out but there are no buyers and so the prices crash. Savvy value investors look for instances where there's smoke but no fire, enabling them to get good companies at substantial discounts to intrinsic value.

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-20 17:23 | Report Abuse

Kc fan,totally agree=)

Posted by suhnaj > 2012-08-20 17:26 | Report Abuse

Still doing saturday night fever. lol

Posted by kcfan > 2012-08-20 17:31 | Report Abuse

I'm seeing 2 possible message in my mind on above topic discussion.1st investor is intend to take more risk on un-value added stock as "dream portfolio"counter to make their dream come true.2nd investor is impress on value investment.Finally who will be gain on capital on time being at last ?

Most of people assume that risk and reward are positively correlated, because investors presumably require higher expected returns in order to be willing to assume additional risk. But or value investors, risk and reward are negatively correlated. The greater the extent to which perceived value exceeds market price, the higher the potential reward and the lower the risk.

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-20 21:08 | Report Abuse

here guys and gals enjoy :) hopefully the link will show up.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing-for-beginners-yes-i-mean-you-2012-08-20?link=MW_home_latest_news

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-20 22:26 | Report Abuse

Hehe,not bad ah frank

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-20 23:22 | Report Abuse

hopefully some can learn Miss Carrot:) BTW I'm no sifu - still plenty to learn especially from seniors here.

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 02:07 | Report Abuse

Hehe,i didnt call u sifu,just call u as senior,at least,u older then me,what u know,also more than me=)Learn togeher then

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-21 03:22 | Report Abuse

hehe solly solly too much heines - yes me old man still can learn and we learn together :) with other sifus here :)but me no learn how to goreng because me no like cooking o.k :)

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 11:35 | Report Abuse

Lol,is ok mah,hahaha,u dont like to cook but u need to eat what,nvr mind,ur wife will help u to cook.haha, I'm sorry if i let u feel uncomfortable with my words ya =)

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 11:50 | Report Abuse

are you trying to figure out if frank has wife or not, Carrot? hahaha

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 12:10 | Report Abuse

Mum kc lol, luckily i don't know ur face,if not,i will go ur home n said im ur daughter lol,hahaha,no la,i know u all ad married, I'm still young, dont like be the third party,or u all wnat i cook to u two old man?i can one, haha,to h also, if my words make u feel uncomfortable, im sorry here ya.

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 12:14 | Report Abuse

i have stated repeatedly i am married, but frank didnt.

you want come my home said my daughter, its ok. but you got to bring your real mom come along too! we need to do DNA sampling! :)

Posted by Knight > 2012-08-21 12:15 | Report Abuse

hi kc loh. so 2molo knm still hv chance to up? or going down?

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 12:23 | Report Abuse

Haha,frank sure not single anymore,believe me,hahaha.

My dad will kill me soon,not my mum,lol,hehe. U stay at?between, i also wont go n find u,ur wife will let me eat broom i think, hahaha

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 12:39 | Report Abuse

carrot, not only broom i think! LOL

Knight, I won't know. Maybe up from my guess of market inactivity since long holiday. but remember, it was starting to trend downwards prior to the weekend.

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 12:54 | Report Abuse

Kc,haha,i agree,the situation when a woman get temple, better dont challenge =)between, nice to meet u,haha,is it too late?

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 13:03 | Report Abuse

especially the Loh girls! bad tempered and money minded! LOL

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-21 13:26 | Report Abuse

Knight tomorow knm share will drop a bit cos of collection. tomorow is good choice to buy it.

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 13:35 | Report Abuse

so how many lots will you buy tomorrow, yungshen1?

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 13:44 | Report Abuse

Kc mum,u r wrong lol,I'm a good girl n not money minded, just hope can earn some money n study oversea ma, haha
kc mum,will u try to buy this counter? Hiak hiak
Yungshen, same q as kc,how many lots will u buy?

Posted by limpek4896 > 2012-08-21 13:49 | Report Abuse

wow,when start kc wear skirt?

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 13:54 | Report Abuse

hahaha you dunno meh Limpek? it started when you decided to see Tok Mudim!

Posted by lennon > 2012-08-21 14:09 | Report Abuse

yungshen what collection

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-21 14:17 | Report Abuse

collection mean the trader have to pay money to the broker. i will buy 10lot tommorow KC loh when price drop to 0.680

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 14:29 | Report Abuse

ok, i will be following your progress! :)

Posted by Knight > 2012-08-21 14:34 | Report Abuse

thx yungshen1 and Yungshen1
can i ask about JCY? got hold some in that share scare>.<

Posted by Ram Cheong > 2012-08-21 14:58 | Report Abuse

yungshen , can boh , sure can make moni boh . ...........

Posted by Ching Yin Carrot Loh > 2012-08-21 15:29 | Report Abuse

Huhu,trust yungshen n earn some money together tomorrow =)

Posted by alexisvics > 2012-08-21 15:54 | Report Abuse

Hi,I agree with bro yungshen. Due to heavy volumn previous days, market needs to digest and it seems that many so-called profeshenal analists gave nagative comment(check the price target given by them), the price may drop but I also feel that those with guts, balls and money should buy when price drop somemore. Good luck..

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 17:54 | Report Abuse

THIS IS FOR TRADERS ONLY!

At the risk of making yungshen1 sounding like a genius, traditionally the 3rd quarter of KNM is strong. I am not sure, but this could be the time when Borsig is delivering its annual earning results? Those who has knowledge of this, please step forward with details please.

Those who is holding at current price, I think you need not panic to sell early because of the earlier spike. General Lee may look to time it well to bring good news before the rights issue at RM1.00. Please note these are my opinion and is the same when i posted i think few weeks back.

I like KNM because i see a lot of management play and nothing more! The question still remains, will Lee do a goreng, and entice buyers to its rights issue? a lot see him as a speculator, i tend to agree if he pulls this stunt. That's why i am hoping the hero yungshen1 dont ask me buy speculative stocks! can lead to heart attack! LOL

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvoc31r4knshcxd/KNM%20quarterly.png?m

Posted by Yassin > 2012-08-21 18:46 | Report Abuse

Good to by now before ur late gluck

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-08-21 19:00 | Report Abuse

but play at your own risk ok? that's what i meant for traders only!

I think Lee definitely needs the 200mn from the rights issue as part of his overall plan. Should he not be able to meet the issue target, who knows what will happen? KNM kakis, now is the time for loyalty! Can see yungshen1 leading the charge! hehe

Posted by Ram Cheong > 2012-08-21 19:08 | Report Abuse

if i'm not mistaken i've read from this tread before that RC is collecting this share . ........... can anyone confirm that cos lazy trace back

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-21 20:07 | Report Abuse

hehe ram cheong yes RC is collecting which RC we dunno but not the goreng specialist RC I think because this one is too big for him nor as KC said Roman Catholic, is it you ram cheong cause your initials are RC too :)

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-21 20:09 | Report Abuse

knight jcy i am sure. cos i not analize this cos. but i can tell u the price support between 1.430 to 1.560. if u really want to buy this share at 1.430 then u sell it at 1.560 that is what i play.

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-21 20:12 | Report Abuse

Ram Cheong knm can make money.if u dare to buy tomorrow knm share.for my opinion tomorrow is a good choice to buy share because of collection.

Posted by franksoweto > 2012-08-21 20:20 | Report Abuse

what funnies exchange between daddy and girl girl :)Miss carrot, yes I have to eat as we all do but just don't like the goreng stuff :)i prefer salad,grilled stuff or just fast food!
Ms Carrot - no worries I'm never angry ( unless some one post comments with malice! ) but on the contrary find your comments quite funny -typical of a teenager :)
seeing you like KNm so much maybe you can get together with Yungsheng1 :)
yungsheng1 buy at .68 and sell at .75?
good luck guys - will be interesting to see how it performs tomorrow.

Posted by yungshen1 > 2012-08-21 20:30 | Report Abuse

franksoweto i will buy at 0.68 if the price tomorow drop to 0.680 and i will sell it at 1.100. i will buy 10 lot tomorow .short tearm can earn money

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > 2012-08-21 20:34 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by shirley1 > 2012-08-21 20:38 | Report Abuse

Look like the general is an opportunist than businessman. Guys play cautious and all the best :)