Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 13:26 | Report Abuse

i did not say this put warrant will not go up, i only said too risky now. like that u also canot take it must ridicule me.

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 13:28 | Report Abuse

Haha.. Thats why I said let klci reach above 1766 baru cakap mean if klci really can move above 1766 mean I predict wrong ..u still no understand ah..aiyo..

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 13:29 | Report Abuse

now in bursa is a no brainer, 3yr old kid also can predict chun chun. everything go down ma.

oil, stocks, commodities, riggit, u can predict everyday and most day u r right. so what??

its only when mkt take a turn that kill this ppls. and u donno when.

every stockist is shorting all counters, all index and ringgit.

there must be a day when the force catch them. that is what i mean.

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 13:31 | Report Abuse

Oklah.. U right lah.. Later klci up...up till 1800... listen to optimus he very Chun 1. Don't listen to me..later bring u all hHolland.. Any question may ask Mr.optimus.. He willing to helpaall of u....:)

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 13:34 | Report Abuse

everybody has his point here. Both can be right.
So is the klci and hb.

index may b support well here and rebound to 1780 b4 drop down again.
it may also one way down breaking 1700 without rebounce.

all v have to do is having risk management so v dont lose a lot if market go against our prediction.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 13:40 | Report Abuse

pls dont listen to me, listen to the master simon84. he 100% right one,

i m presenting the "what if" he is wrong. and he cant take it.

typical small man.

Posted by KJ Cheah > 2014-12-12 13:44 | Report Abuse

yes everybody has his point. Just optimuss is the only one asking you to buy when everybody sell then ask you to sell when everybody is buying. ppl fight him in many forum

simon84 : if you continue argue with him, he will reply you with BAD words, I mean really really BAD word which will be deleted by admin

Posted by jocky99 > 2014-12-12 13:44 | Report Abuse

calm down calm down..............
optimuss bought hb?

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 13:47 | Report Abuse

KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 12): The FBM KLCI pared some of its loss at the midday break but remained in negative territory as local sentiment remained nervous on the lack of fresh catalysts.

At 12.30pm, the FBM KLCI was down 5.93 points to 1,738.64.

Market breadth was negative with 537 losers and 141 gainers, while 272 counters traded unchanged. Volume was 716.16 million shares valued at RM679.99 million.

The top losers included Petronas Gas Bhd, Fraser & Neave Holdings Bhd, Lafarge Malaysia Bhd, Guinness Anchor Bhd, UMW Oil & Gas Corporation Bhd, Oriental Holdings Bhd, Shell Refining Company (Federation of Malaya) Bhd, Negri Sembilan Oil Palms Bhd, United Malacca Bhd and Dutch Lady Milk Industries Bhd.

Malaysian Airline System Bhd was the most actively traded counter with 50.50 million shares done. The stock fell 1.85% or half a sen to 26.5 sen.

The other actives included Compugates Holdings Bhd, SapuraKencana Petroleum Bhd, Perisai Petroleum Teknologi Bhd, Tiger Synergy Bhd, KNM Group Bhd and Bumi Armada Bhd.

The top gainers included Perduren (M) Bhd, Kawan Food Bhd, Batu Kawan Bhd, United Plantations Bhd, Pharmaniaga Holdings Bhd, My E.G. Services Bhd and Karex Bhd.

Regionally, the dollar rose on Friday after upbeat U.S. data suggested weaker oil prices are providing additional momentum for the American economy, which also underpinned Asian shares, according to Reuters.

MSCI's broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan was flat in early trade, though on track for a loss of over 2 percent for the week.

Japan's Nikkei stock average was up 0.4 percent in early trade, as a weaker yen helped exporter shares, but was poised to book a loss of more than 3 percent for the week.

U.S. crude futures continued to drop after falling below the key psychological support level of $60 a barrel for the first time in five years, and stood at $59.15 in Asia, down more than 1 percent on the day, it said.

Maybank IB head of retail research and chief chartist Lee Cheng Hooi in a note to clients Friday said the FBM KLCI tumbled 20.95 points to 1,744.57 yesterday, while the FBMEMAS and FBM100 also closed lower by 135.81 points and 129.34 points, respectively.

He said in terms of market breadth, the gainer-to-loser ratio was 178-to-628 while 241 counters were unchanged, adding that a total of 1.23 billion shares were traded valued at RM1.50 billion.

Lee said he recommends a “Sell on Rallies” stance for the index.

He said the KLCI Dec Futures moved into a small 2.57-point discount against the FBM KLCI.

“We expect weak buying at the supports of 1,730 to 1,742, whilst very heavy liquidation would be at the resistances of 1,744 and 1,794. The index will be volatile after heavy foreign selling emerged in early November at 1,858.09.

“After a rebound that stalled at 1,845.76 at end-November, the index plunged to a fresh low of 1,730.77 this Tuesday.

“Price rebounds remain pyrrhic in nature and still should be sold down, as the FBM KLCI will trace out a window dressing rebound that might not be sustainable at all,” he said.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/node/174664

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 13:55 | Report Abuse

I agree with both of you, simon and optimus.

For simon, yes, market is very bearish now and may break 1700.
So, if v want to earn big from hb, believe it and hold tightly.
But, v must be able to sustain the index rebound and hb retrace to 0.20.
So it is suitable for those buy below 0.20 or can cut loss.

For optimus, yes, market seem to support here and rebound is expected after drop 2 weeks.
if v cannot sustain lose from 0.26 to 0.20, better withdraw now to protect our capital.
even market go straight down, v can accept to let the chicken run way.

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 13:56 | Report Abuse

Dear simon84,
Dear optimuss,

for me. Both of you also great in analysis. If u don't mind can I interrupt your discussion? May I join ur discussion? I lose money from yesterday's IPO till siap Liao. I am the ori kindergarten kid who always talk rubbish n very disgusting type.

both of u talented persons don't kill each other. Treat me as ur,rubbish... Come n hantam me.. Offer myself to you now.. Pls consider it.

I agree we should make this page hotter. And hottest soon.

Simon84, I read all ur comments..
optimuss. I admired Mr Optimus7 very much, hope you are the same person...

pls don't,scold me... I lose till mum can't recognize son ad.. I will please u,guys........

pls pls no fight pls.!

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 14:00 | Report Abuse

Duit Kwsp Kita, yup, agreed. V welcome both simon and optimus views and opinions. it is very healthy to have different sounds, so v can be rationale in making decision.

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 14:04 | Report Abuse

Yes tkteoh80...

both of them are great analyst. I view it as timing impairment only. They hav better way now. I am the rubbish in this forum. Hope they can scold me shoot me....mean while share their great informative thoughts to benefit everyone., feel free to pijak me ..i don't mind should it then will bring benefits to others

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 14:18 | Report Abuse

Optimuss. I saw you.

great job even though successfully deleted.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 14:21 | Report Abuse

in summary. i only ask ppls to be cautious when dealing with Put-warrant.
know what is your pain threshold. chart does indicate 20c possible retracement area.

its not as simple as klci drop it sure go up. as it is loaded with a lot of premium on both. it need klci to drop more than the last level before they can resume uptrend. however, the moment u see klci rebound, it will drop drastically. like 28c tue close and 23.5 on wed.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 14:22 | Report Abuse

duit, thanks, u tk care. dont beat urself up everyday.

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 14:30 | Report Abuse

optimuss... welcomed..... u take care too...

hahahaha....... who great who less great..... everybody know ma... no need waste times to prove it to others.... mr.crouching tider hidden dragon..... come more often. so newbie like me can learn from u lo........


"its not as simple as klci drop it sure go up. as it is loaded with a lot of premium on both." THIS ONE U MAY DELETE IT. because nice words ppls hate to listen... agree????

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 15:09 | Report Abuse

show just started

Posted by godbless88 > 2014-12-12 15:11 | Report Abuse

All here sini carik duit, why the argument? zzz
Ini macam mau trade pun susah ini macam.
Let it be guys, the test of time will decide who's the best, ok? Now peace.

Posted by godbless88 > 2014-12-12 15:13 | Report Abuse

以和为贵

Posted by xiaolingling > 2014-12-12 15:21 | Report Abuse

Erm …why he and HD all moving up ,but HB and hg not moving so much le ?

Posted by kytan > 2014-12-12 15:25 | Report Abuse

621 counter is red...index still jold very well..not sure closing can hold or not

Posted by tlbeng > 2014-12-12 15:41 | Report Abuse

sabar lah, 4pm belum sampai lagi

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 15:48 | Report Abuse

ci drop 11pts, hg and hb no action. what if ci go up 11pts? hg and hb go where?

Posted by tlbeng > 2014-12-12 15:50 | Report Abuse

if ci up 11pts, then hg & hb will diarrhea

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 16:03 | Report Abuse

foreign fund so happy that institute supporting the klci, so they can sell happily without giving much discount, our epf gg.com

Posted by kytan > 2014-12-12 16:06 | Report Abuse

it just show that our government until now still don't know what going on. they still think oil drop don't affect us.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 16:06 | Report Abuse

ci to close unchanged?

Posted by F22Raptor > 2014-12-12 16:07 | Report Abuse

for now,this horse will rest to prepare for a longer distance,wakakakaka.

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 16:07 | Report Abuse

that's the problem of high premium. ci should drop another 20 points for hb to move up.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 16:12 | Report Abuse

meantime when ci rebound they will collapse. hg and hb

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 16:13 | Report Abuse

those who really think mkt will collapse are shorting the futures.. not playing with put warrant of index.

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 16:13 | Report Abuse

optimuss, we can understand your feeling, you have made profit wanna hb and hg fall back then you can collect, but damn annoying

Posted by kytan > 2014-12-12 16:15 | Report Abuse

Oil price everyday drop 1 dollar...i can wait until it drop to 50 USD..sure Hb and HG will move..

Posted by F22Raptor > 2014-12-12 16:15 | Report Abuse

sayonara for now,i will be back.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 16:16 | Report Abuse

as i said, this is open forum, i dont care how u feel, i m not here to please u or entertain u.

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 16:17 | Report Abuse

first time see share index drop only 8 points when the result is 162 up vs 703 down....@@"

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:17 | Report Abuse

sozai epf still defence later all money stuck goverment need money how
so many usd debt

Posted by kytan > 2014-12-12 16:18 | Report Abuse

maybe big shark collecting the HB and HG around this range..so Index up, HB also not drop, index down HB also not up. When the right timing come...it push very very high

Posted by tlbeng > 2014-12-12 16:23 | Report Abuse

yesterday foreign fund nett selling 192m, today they haven't start to take any action yet

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:25 | Report Abuse

i think bursa system have problem main tipu
so many share drop index still only drop 8 point kiki

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:27 | Report Abuse

this market crisis many expert get lock especially shark
no ppl buy thier stock all moeny stuck

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 16:29 | Report Abuse

our local fund is 2X stronger than foreign fund,keep supporting ci

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 16:30 | Report Abuse

tkteoh80: hahahahah..... ur statement GENG!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:31 | Report Abuse

tkteo if local fund can earn in share market already will how ?

Posted by kytan > 2014-12-12 16:34 | Report Abuse

wah ..our index is so good, already 727 counter red red chili...Index still sustain very well

Posted by duitkwspkita > 2014-12-12 16:37 | Report Abuse

no no no ....pls dun relate total KLCI counters with Index....

if u read the KLCI index in such a way... You probably will loss opportunity to long or to short.... jz my kindergarten view...

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 16:39 | Report Abuse

top loser there average falled 4%, klci no rasa, win liao lor~lolx

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:42 | Report Abuse

seem like main tipu kiki

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 16:42 | Report Abuse

told u ppls, now red already. if dj up again, monday gap down 3 c