Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 16:43 | Report Abuse

hapseng, the super bull stock also cannot tahan liao, ci still can tahan

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 16:46 | Report Abuse

optimuss u got problem ? dj up klse up ?
i guess you miss something klse not follow dj now
is following oil price & currency
if dj up you have to carefull FED will going to raise the rate
all market will crash soon

Posted by jocky99 > 2014-12-12 16:47 | Report Abuse

crude oil more important..

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 16:55 | Report Abuse

haha, dj up malaysia up? if like that klci really ho seh liao~!

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 17:00 | Report Abuse

why klci close at lowest of the year your HG dont even go up half cent?

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 17:01 | Report Abuse

tonite Dj wont be green la pls, yesterday already rebound. go and look at europe red red sea. Dj also same fate tonite. Beside go and see the oil price now started to drop until 59.19 and gonna break 58 tonite. what will happen on monday? haha... now HB worth of value 0.22 if monday break down again klci drop another 10point will make it value until RM0.24 hahaha sure fly la pls lolx. 10 more point is easy kay.....

Posted by flytothemoon > 2014-12-12 17:03 | Report Abuse

ok la, you win, end of the month klci will up til 2020 points, satisfy?

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 17:04 | Report Abuse

if monday breakdown 10c, then i will buy HB. becos less premium.

its the premium too high that is my concern. narrowing of premium would be good.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:06 | Report Abuse

Next week no more discount for hb and hg..hihi. Profit taking restricted the upside. Anyway good closed for Me, will hold further since index might be find its bottomline next week. Congrat who still in this boat..safer journey during tsunamy...haha

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 17:07 | Report Abuse

this optimuss really like a kid...and kinda annoying, he sold all his HB share few day ago, why he want to keep barking here like a dog? try we think. high posible he wanna cause panic just like a kid cause he wanna buy cheap. Example if us sold your counter we wont even care to talk east talk west here, right? His act kinda like Gohlai...... if u already sold your Share why dont u keep silence and leave here. dont do something always downgrade your moral value. Tq.

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 17:08 | Report Abuse

THis local fund memang cerdik ..patut bagi tepukkan..These 2 days they support until pre market only pullback.. Salute this local fund...

Anywhere the closing is quite interesting . It closed near by the last 3 days low . Any bad news from OIL and Dow JOnes monday is the real show to show the real direction ..

By the way US Futures now traded at 17460 and fall almost 80 points .
Oil futures hanging at USd59.20 ..Will have a good show for to9 .

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 17:08 | Report Abuse

but one more thing if drop until another 10 point mean u cant buy at RM0.265. u think we will sell cheap to u guys? price mostly will be 29c....so take it or leave it tq lolx

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:09 | Report Abuse

Its ok region as long as we safe from this disaster...haha

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 17:11 | Report Abuse

switch myr to usd

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 17:12 | Report Abuse

yah now myr worth nothign...so low n not much value, sg also almost can trade with us 1 to 3 zzzzzzz

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 17:15 | Report Abuse

US futures just making another new low at 17450 .The next support will be 17350 follow by 17000.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:16 | Report Abuse

Next week index will be sent down a couple of points and will know its bottomline..

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 17:18 | Report Abuse

If to9 US Dow JOnes and Oil both also falling .... Then monday we can have a nice dinner at night ..:)

Posted by region > 2014-12-12 17:19 | Report Abuse

hope oil drop again tonite wahaha

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 17:23 | Report Abuse

@region dont worry now try to make a new low and traded at USD58.80..will break it through later.. just have a nice weekend ...

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:25 | Report Abuse

Definitely we have Simon..u see the chart u will know market in deep bearish zone unless there is a black magic..No more significant technical rebound provided the market found its bottomline and make Fast consolidation..

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 17:28 | Report Abuse

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The International Energy Agency on Friday cut its 2015 forecast for global oil demand by 230,000 barrels per day, to 900,000 barrels a day, citing lower expectations from oil-exporting countries. Oil prices moved lower following the report, with January futures for West Texas Intermediate crude CLF5, -1.40% down 84 cents, or 1.4%, to $59.12 a barrel. Brent crude for January delivery LCOF5, -0.99% was off 65 cents, or 1%, to $63.01 a barrel. A strong dollar and lifting of subsidies "have so far limited supportive price effects on demand," said IEA.



http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iea-cuts-2015-global-oil-demand-view-oil-futures-fall-further-2014-12-12?link=MW_home_latest_news

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:37 | Report Abuse

Today profit taking on hb and hg are good for their further movement by next week..

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:40 | Report Abuse

I dont see any problem for hb an hg to touch 0.30 and 0.25 respectively by next week.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:47 | Report Abuse

Since the tsunamy still shouting crazy outside there, hide in put warrants are likely more safer to cater a bit capital growth rather than touching any stocks that will badly burned your capital.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 17:51 | Report Abuse

hg at 20.5 is pricing in klci at 1665, now still 1733.


70pts premium on klci. this is mad. you already believe klci is at 1665 even before ci broke the all important support of 1700?

its pure gambling.


to suggest it will go to 25c mean klci at 1630. thats 100pts klci from current level. tell me which index link stock can drop so much to pull ci down 100pts? in such a short period?

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 17:57 | Report Abuse

I thought you understand a concept of supply and demand during crisis.. calculation and math second, sentiment no. 1...hihi

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:00 | Report Abuse

What the actual Price of the all stocks now..sentiment due to a crisis.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:05 | Report Abuse

correct, in fear ppls would grab all put warrant. do u know that all ib warrant issuer has the right to double the size of its warrant. without your permission.

ie. current issue warrant is 50million each in hb, hg.

once they distribute all, they can increase the hb, hg, size to 100m, if u r the biz man, as long as u see profit u would sell. as u can continue to issue more warrant.


go do some research and dont be so confidence. if ci can close -12pts and u dont see HG up even half a sen, something is not right.

read the price and action of a counter, dont just blindly have faith. behind there is more things to be consider.

ie. a sudden QE by malaysia would send u ppls to graveyard. just an example.

if ci shoot up to 1800. by any means, as u said, its demand n supply of the 30 bluechip index.

what is the intrinsic value of HG? zero. 0 cent. even if u can hold till maturity nov 2015, ci could have recovered along with oil price. to maybe 1880 again. what is your investment in hg turn into?

0.

Posted by jocky99 > 2014-12-12 18:06 | Report Abuse

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-12/iea-cuts-global-oil-demand-forecast-for-4th-time-in-five-months.html

Posted by jocky99 > 2014-12-12 18:07 | Report Abuse

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-12/iea-cuts-global-oil-demand-forecast-for-4th-time-in-five-months.html

Posted by simon84 > 2014-12-12 18:07 | Report Abuse

Absolute agreed with maunkulopollah... ...:)

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:08 | Report Abuse

yes it is a crisis. but so far the crisis only in stock market. do u see ppls lelong house yet? do u see restaurant empty?

mind u, only less than 10% malaysian invest in stock mkt directly.

most malay dont need to invest in stock directly, they have guaranteed return from amanah etc.

only the chinese is punting. even if all this chinese bankrupt. it wont hurt the govt macro picture at all.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:11 | Report Abuse

oil is downtrend. but doesnt mean it wont have a technical rebound. like any technical rebound, its always sharp and fast. if that send the ci to 1800. what is the value of your hg? dont just blindly shout this is the best place to hide. it only show how foolish you are.

the best place to hide is in cash.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:12 | Report Abuse

I play this put warrant as an option to grow my Capital in havoc market. Who will be waiting for maturity. I have tp Price for this put warrant based on market trend..

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:15 | Report Abuse

in havoc mkt u should hedge in futures mkt directly. it cost u less and premium only 10-20pts from the mkt close ci. depending on which month duration your futures expired.

this type of premium either HG and HB is insane to a futures trader, they just wont believe why ppls r buying it.

in 1990s crisis, where stock melt everyday and index drop 50pts everyday. the futures premium is only 50pts, i have never seen 80 pts premium in my whole life. knowing futures industry for 20 yrs

Posted by ImCK > 2014-12-12 18:18 | Report Abuse

optimuss dun be child la really so zai
do you think when this scene come infront to you you still have chance to run ? omg

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:19 | Report Abuse

This put warrant has already hedged my portfolio and from it I have already having a surplus a couple of thousand..that good for part time investor.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:21 | Report Abuse

imck, for all i know abt what u posted are all rubbish. what makes u think u have the right to talk to me?

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:26 | Report Abuse

go study russia, their ruble collapse to half price, their mkt only drop not much.

here in malaysia, the ringgit only drop 10% from year high. still below 3.50.

u think klci can just melt down? how many index linked stock deal with oil n gas?

only skpetrol, petgas, pchem.


if klci so easy can drop below 1700 then ahjib will step down ady. cant u see how they support the ci today? all can drop like shit but ci must defend at a certain level, until they have excuse to let ci drop further, ie. rating agency downgrade.

so far even russia is not downgraded by rating agency yet. or any oil export country for that matter.

i believe rating agency need time to see the impact and see how sustain the downfall of oil effect. what if they simply downgrade and oil shoot up to 80? where to hide their face?

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:27 | Report Abuse

My invesment based my decision...I owe my risk and every have a instinct..sometimes right, sometimes wrong..What we talk here to share the info that might be useful for others and not to fool others.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:29 | Report Abuse

u r rite, its your risk. i m not stopping u, i didnt ask u to sell, i m only commenting the risk of such a high premium, yes u made on this, good for you, but thats becos u bought at much lower price.

now at this price do u still think its a buy? given klci still holding above 1730 or even 1720 level.

Posted by news > 2014-12-12 18:31 | Report Abuse

I do support Optimuss view. Technically, FBMKLCI is very close to rebound, so better becareful trading with the HB at current level.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:37 | Report Abuse

For me if this crisis is prolong will give a bad impact to the our next economy growth compare to the financial crisis 1998 since we having a couple osff domestic problems such as s mountain of govt debt, high gear if household debts, depreciation of ringgit, inflation by cost and highly dependent on oil and gas sector, the loan exposure to this sector.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:39 | Report Abuse

yes put warrant on klci is a good instrument to trade on a bear mkt.

but that depends on what premium u r paying for the instrument.

i didnt say hb, hg no good, i only said its very toppish at this level, and unlike stocks, when klci rebound, this put warrant will kill many.

for it to go further up wave, u need to see strong indication that klci is to break 1700 and no rebound. at the moment i dont see it yet. its 50/50
and i dont trade 50/50 position. bcos the best place to trade 50/50 is in genting big small.

Posted by maunkulopdollah > 2014-12-12 18:40 | Report Abuse

Optimus..at that Point i agreed with you. My entry level maybe still cheap but 2 days ago i still collect some more and still hold.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:41 | Report Abuse

there r many negative news. but doesnt mean each and everyone would affect klci.

remember the 1mdb negative news? did the mkt drop bcos of that? mkt dont care abt 1mdb, 1mdb even preparing for listing. what a joke.

they know they have ppls to subscribe, that is enough, whatever dirty story u wan to spread, they dont care.

Posted by optimuss > 2014-12-12 18:44 | Report Abuse

2/3 days ago still got 17c to buy mah. now 20.5c. up 20% already, think in %

Posted by tkteoh80 > 2014-12-12 18:46 | Report Abuse

I am not sure the advantage and disadvantage between this hb and future.

let's say someone short the future at 1730,
if future rise 100 points , he will lose 100xRM50=RM5000. initial margin may b just rm4000.

if he buy hb, then he will lose 0.265-0.125=0.14, let's say he also lose rm5000, means he buy rm5000/0.14=35714 units of hb, cost rm9564.

so... short future better coz cost less? more liquid?no time limit?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2014-12-12 18:57 | Report Abuse

The answer is very clear - it is better to short through HB instead of future. Reasons as follows :-

(1) future has unlimited losses. If things works against you (let's say Malaysia suddenly found 10000 billion barrels of oil in Klang Valley and KLCI shot up to 3,000 points, you need to keep topping up. The HB is different, your losses is limited to the 20.5 sen your cost of investment

(2) Future needs you to act on it on daily basis, Every evening, your broker will email you your latest position. If you lose money (to a certain level), you need to top up. HB got no such hassles. You can fly to Spain for holiday and not to worry about it until it expires

(3) future needs to roll over by end of the month and you will lose some small money due to inability to fully match end and beginning positions. Very troublesome

My two cents worth