Dear all, Already send an email to Dato' Sri Thong and board on dividend and dividend policy last sunday. So far no reply. Will send another email today. Thank you
Careful of what you bought into. WB will expire 2020. If without trade war, may be there are still chance for WB to worth something at the end of the day. Now, I only see lousy ringgit and lousy dividend stock.US treasury beat this stock anytime now till 2020.
LOL, count down to warrant. If insas price is above 1.2, then wait for dilution effect to dilute shareholder. If below 1, then warrant value is 0. Many are like hot ant now because they need to unload. Those who bought warrant now is kind of super risk taker. Good brave soul, we always need people like this.
Dato Thong and family plus all M&A company hold so much warrant with them. As we all know that Dato current hold the maximum level in percentage an individual allowed to be hold in a listed company (hence not able to give bonus share from the treasury shares).
So, definitely he is not able to convert any warrant into mother shares also as this will make his holding beyond the maximum allowable margin. The only way is he need to sell his warrant. However, the warrant price is so bad now. Will them push up the price then sell? or they will let it burn?? Any comments guys?
Warrant come as free cost when they subscribe RSP. RSP is the one that they make extra money, receiving dividend as high as 4-5% risk free. Do you really think they are losing out by selling warrant 0.37 or 0.17? They didn’t lose anything even if they just throw away the warrant. They would only lose if RSP defaulted. Warrant is just some icing on the cake.
The whole RSP scheme is to screw any other people. I sold my share 1.28 that time when I saw announcements of RSP. Nothing to calculate as it is not design for the benefit of small investors. If you just think about how to deal with the warrant now, it is too late. It is almost near end of game.
alooloo, near end of the game? Don you know that warrant most active period is the last 12 months before the expire date?? I'm sure you are an absolute newbie here.
On top of yesterday announcement, don be so happy with the share buy back, as mentioned in previous AGM, Dato individual holding is at the maximum percentage one allowed to be owned in a listed company. So if the company buy back more share, it means his holding percentage will going up and before the company can buy back, the shareholders must approve to let him do that, which back to the discussion topic in few months back here.
That is the best excuse ever for not doing share buyback. The share buyback stop exactly the RSP announced, the purpose is clearly to cook the price to 1.28 for RSP. More active doesn’t mean better value. Junk bond are most active right before defaulted. If you believe warrant worth something at the end of the day, you could just take loan and buy Insas mother share. Opportunities to be rich.
Thong and persons acting in concert already own 32.9%, if buy one more share will trigger MGO. Companies controlled by Thong own 83.4 million warrants. If exercised all, it will take their total shareholdings to above 40%. As highest price paid is RM1, the MGO will be at RM1.
i m long out of Insas after realizing I had mistaken a rotten rock as a hidden gem stone but still keep a watch on how it trends. I am glad that I disposed early and don't have to endure more suffering.
Did i read somewhere someone once commented " Inari up, Insas no up and when Inari down, Insas down"
tq Contrarian, I understand the MGO side, but still not sure why is the MGO will be at RM1? I thought the MGO price is normally set based on volumn-weight market price? Why is the MGO price will be Rm1 which is the exercise price of the WB. If you don mind to teach again. Tqvm.
contrarian, if Thong wants to takeover, I thought it will be cheaper for him to let the warrants expire and make an offer to the month shares after that, no?
Hard for Thong to buy large enough from the market. If he really wants to increase his holdings then his companies need to exercise the warrants which will take him to above 40% immediately and the warrant subscription monies still remain within Insas. Then he might be able to mop up another 10% from the open market to take it above 50%. At RM1 enough people might be willing to accept his offer. It's a short term win-win situation for all.
Thanks Contrarian. He can easily double his wealth by taking the company private. Am I right to say either case buying the warrants is risky ? He can wait for 2 years to let the warrants expire or makes a lousy offer now? So, any reason for him to give high dividend to push up the price if he wants to takeover?
If his companies don't exercise the warrants, Thong will forever be stuck at 32.9% because to try to buy from the market to the 50% plus one share level even at RM1 offer price will probably fail. It's going to be extremely difficult to buy up 17.1% unless he offers much higher which he is unlikely to. He might do a Tony Tiah ala TA offering even lower at 90 sen if the warrants not exercised and gets to buy a bit to surpass 33% but not likely to even reach 35%.
ops. sorry. However, my point still valid that even Dato Thong is holding 32.9%, but his wife, his son and his family members holding percentage should already exceeded 50%+. Hence, there is no way other could raid his company isn't it? It is their family business now.
Refer page 196 to the 2017 Annual Report where it is revealed Thong and persons in concert i.e. his companies, brother, wife, children, sister-in-law collectively own 32.96%.
If there's an MGO, these 10% friendly parties/proxies will readily sell to him just like in Tony Tiah's MGO of TA where many million shares were sold to Tony at 0.66 or below.
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Posted by alooloo > 2018-08-31 11:41 | Report Abuse
Stronger and stronger as if share price RM1.1 drop to RM0.845 and profit 5-10sen per quarter to 1sen?
Not much room to grow stronger anymore if that is your analogy.