Posted by Tan Toh Fei > 2016-12-16 01:22 | Report Abuse

@starperformer: u r right, we shld not con innocent retail investors to make money. Dun act like MO1 cheating money by telling fake things to ppl. Indeed, we shld work together factually to assist each other to succeed.

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-16 08:21 | Report Abuse

Hi Tan Toh Fei, thanks in that regards. I've shown those especially stockraider for what they really should know about Evergreen's problems because it's risk to reward ratio is imbalance and highly geared. Kindly check my comments history if anyone would like to understand in details on why Hevea is not only a safer bet but it is highly rewarding in terms of ROI/ROE in the coming few quarters.

When they run out of ideas, they have to even spread half-truth about a company just to mend it to their favour without convincing factual information to back-up their claims or arguments. That just showed me that they are half-filled jars.

Posted by nich0las > 2016-12-16 12:03 | Report Abuse

Hevea 1.54. Who bought @ 1.1x last time , Now Hoseh.

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-16 12:15 | Report Abuse

Hopefully is original recipe..........no over cooking

Posted by Kong Ming > 2016-12-16 12:18 | Report Abuse

1.6 coming !!! yeehaa

Posted by hng33 > 2016-12-16 12:22 | Report Abuse

:DDD)

Posted by hng33 > 2016-12-16 12:27 | Report Abuse

USD have further strengthen to 4.48 !!!!

Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-16 12:29 | Report Abuse

all jokers were missing

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-16 12:30 | Report Abuse

Hevea will hit the billion ringgit market cap soon once more people realize and understood it's businesses in-depth and it's edge over all of it's competitors. Kindly check my comments history to read in other board of discussion. Thank u!

Posted by nich0las > 2016-12-16 12:34 | Report Abuse

Next QR no eye see. haha..

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-16 12:56 | Report Abuse

No eye see meaning too bright...... too sparkling...... until cannnnt see bro nic

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-16 13:50 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by Sephy > 2016-12-16 13:52 | Report Abuse

wow usdmyr 4.478 now.. exporter play round 3? lol

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-16 14:28 | Report Abuse

Still got 65 cts more upside..... monday settle ok

Posted by hng33 > 2016-12-16 15:33 | Report Abuse

sold back all hevea at 1.54, lock all handsome gross 8sen/share contra profit frist, free up all capital

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-16 15:48 | Report Abuse

Dolly_chai, only people like u who cannot read well(maybe) or refused to accept the fact that all fundamental has pointed out that HEVEA is already superior than EVERGREEN and that is already a fact in all their business segments. My agenda is to uncover and educate people so that they are not conned by people like u or stockraider.

Below as indicated are the round-up of EVERGREEN and HEVEA profit margin:

EVERGREEN
2012: 3.2%
2013: -4.5%
2014: 0%
2015: 9.1%
2016: 7.3%


HEVEA
2012: 4.1% (Hevea's RTA segment started operation in early of 2012)
2013: 5.7% (Continuation of CAPEX throughout the year for more automation for RTA)
2014: 7.2%
2015: 14.7%
2016: 13.3%

Do u not see how RTA segment has propelled HEVEA to what it is today and it is reflected in the share price as well? What is the trend of share price for HEVEA and EVERGREEN respectively?

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-16 15:59 | Report Abuse

more...

EVERGREEN
Medium density fibreboard (MDF): 80% of revenues contribution
Value-added MDF: 15% of revenues contribution
Ready-to-Assemble (RTA): 5% of revenues contribution

HEVEA
Particleboard: 40% of revenues contribution
Ready-to-Assemble (RTA): 60% of revenues contribution


Hevea's latest quarter report announced on 22 Nov 2016.
CASH AND BANK BALANCES 109,790,000
LONG TERM BORROWINGS 6,947,000
SHORT-TERM BORROWINGS 8,164,000
Total debts: 15,111,000
Cash - Total Borrowings = 94,679,000 (*NET CASH POSITION)
No. of shares in circulation: 500,851,890 shares
94,679,000(Net cash) / 500,851,890 shares = *Worth RM (0.189) net cash a piece


Evergreen's latest quarter report announced on 28 Nov 2016.
CASH AND BANK BALANCES 141,018,000
LONG TERM BORROWINGS 108,952,000
SHORT-TERM BORROWINGS 107,633,000
Total debts: 216,585,000
Cash - Total Borrowings = -75,567,000 (*NET DEBTS POSITION)
No. of shares in circulation: 846,423,985 shares
-75,567,000(Net debts) / 846,423,985 shares = *Worth approx. RM (-0.089) per share

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-16 16:33 | Report Abuse

Very susah hati...... i have not experience a stock with limit up.... can u give me a chance to experience it how it feels.... the moment

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-16 16:33 | Report Abuse

Just need that exposure

Posted by Im Leng > 2016-12-16 20:17 | Report Abuse

I think IT can fly more... stay tuned!!!BRO

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-16 21:09 | Report Abuse

Hevea already bankrupt b4 mah.....!!
Thus u should sell Hevea loh....!!
Better take profit loh....!!
B4 to late mah.....!!
Anytime Hevea will collapse mah.....!!
When Hevea Collapse....it will be Rm 0.90....a fall almost Rm 0.60 loh.....!!
Don get conned loh....!!
Overvalue mah....!!
Sell n buy evergreen....better management with integrity loh....!!

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-16 21:24 | Report Abuse

Please refer to 2009 bankruptcy scheme of Hevea under Section 176 loh....!!
Be caution loh....!!
U may get cheated again and again loh....!!

Posted by bullorbear123 > 2016-12-16 23:22 | Report Abuse

Eh stockraider, can you stfu? You are freaking annoying leh
So those who got into prison before cannot be a good guy again? Trump also under bankrupcy before, now who is he now? US president-elect. So stop sounding foolish here and get your ass somewhere else

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-16 23:59 | Report Abuse

bullorbear123, well said! Salute!

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-17 00:03 | Report Abuse

Can simply ignore stockraider who has since gone berserk after I've uncovered his half truth storytelling about Evergreen. Just the way he wrote things also unconvincingly obvious lol

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-17 08:58 | Report Abuse

Why Hevea earnings not so strong as it seems when compare to Evergreen loh ?

Hevea Latest QTR Earnings Rm 17M x 4 = Rm 68M annualsed Earnings
Hevea nos share plus warrant 501M + 68M = 569M
Annualised EPS of Hevea =rm 68m div 569M = Rm 0.12
Share price Rm 1.52 thus PE 13x for Hevea consider not undervalue loh...!!!


Evergreen Latest QTR Earnings Rm 16M x 4 = Rm 64M annualsed Earnings
Evergreen nos share plus warrant = 846M
Annualised EPS of Hevea =rm 64m div 846M = Rm 0.08
Share price Rm 0.955 thus PE 12x for Evergreen consider better than Hevea PE 13x loh...!!!

SO IF PEOPLE DEPEND ON HEVEA AS A GOOD EARNERS BUT THEIR EARNINGS ARE NOT BETTER THAN EVERGREEN MAH....!!
IN ADDITION EVERGREEN HAS MUCH BETTER VALUE SUCH AS BIGGER TURNOVER,SHAREHOLDER FUNDS .
THE NTA PER SHARE OF RM 1.35 AND PE 12X MORE MORE SUPERIOR THAN HEVEA NTA PER SHARE RM 0.85 AND PE 13X LOH...!!

Posted by slts > 2016-12-17 11:26 | Report Abuse

i say both also not good
better put monies into FD lol

Posted by jazzlee > 2016-12-17 13:08 | Report Abuse

Aiyo The idiot singing idiot song
Sendiri singing sendiri song song

Posted by Tan Toh Fei > 2016-12-17 13:22 | Report Abuse

bank likes fd, they give u 3%, use ur money to invest and make 10%, then they take the 7% profit, w/o any cost. fd is part of saving portfolio but u cant depends 100% on fd. the value will deplete in long term.

Posted by bullorbear123 > 2016-12-17 15:05 | Report Abuse

Ok ok, let's see until next year which stock will become winner, hevea or evergreen

Posted by slts > 2016-12-17 19:03 | Report Abuse

silly me i taught 3% guarantee gains better than possible losing 20%
there is no guarantee punting stocks otherwise no me to work lah

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-17 19:51 | Report Abuse

Time to huat?

Posted by bullorbear123 > 2016-12-18 18:14 | Report Abuse

@slts Don't be silly, by looking at your comment I know that you don't know how to make money in stock market. Just don't try to act smart here, thanks

Posted by Tan Toh Fei > 2016-12-18 22:59 | Report Abuse

well, if u r not doing fundamental checks, reading reports, understand a company and management, doing whatever homework needed, and just gamble for up and down, then better dun invest, put the money in fd. 80% of counters are either cheating money with fake reports or losing money business. Our job is to pick up those good remaining one.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-18 23:03 | Report Abuse

Mr Tan Tong Fei is correct loh....!!
Especially Hevea is overvalue mah....!!

Posted by newbie_Investor > 2016-12-18 23:53 | Report Abuse

Can anyone share what is Hevea's industry average PE? or how to obtain it, thank you!

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 07:35 | Report Abuse

I've presented the fundamental facts and figures on both stocks. The records and share price of both stocks will speak for themselves based on what had been uncovered. Thank u!

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-19 07:41 | Report Abuse

Important if china clam down works..... that will be good to hevea on e0 grade

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-19 10:05 | Report Abuse

starperformer.. stop your biased comments.. we did not say hevea is bad.. there are strengths and weaknesses in every stock but you keep promoting hevea and sabotaging evergreen (evergreen has its advantage over hevea but you chose to ignore them and mislead the investors)...
dun act like you are so noble:

My agenda is to uncover and educate people so that they are not conned by people

your agenda is to PUSH up the shares that you have bought... everyone can see it... your hypocrisy makes us feel really sick of you...

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 10:29 | Report Abuse

dolly_chai, I uncovered all the fundamental facts&figures and from the detailed accounting and statements from chairman/directors of both companies that u can roughly know the direction and performance of both financial+business of both companies. Do I have to reiterate that with the details again? I think people can read back my comments history which I've always make it brief and concise. THe share price of both companies are reflected based on the core fundamentals of both. I wish that I can say Evergreen is better in terms of various aspects but everything are pointing out that Hevea is a better pick which is perfectly in net cash position in-line to the better position to weather any risks in current economic climate.

Posted by nich0las > 2016-12-19 10:35 | Report Abuse

Up Up Up, ni more turnng back until QR. Trump take place will increase more USD rate. Huat!

Posted by Dave Jet > 2016-12-19 10:38 | Report Abuse

Just sold out. :)

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 10:41 | Report Abuse

I thought we already to agree to see which stock hevea or evergreen will be better after 1 yr......no point...catch each other throat, everyday loh....!!

Raider & Dolly pick evergreen, u can pick hevea.....we see the result 1 yr time loh....!!

Meanwhile Hevea up is good for evergreen and evergreen up will be good for hevea, not point cursing each other stocks mah...!!

Posted by Klse1 > 2016-12-19 10:42 | Report Abuse

up so much, big player keep pump..beware suddenly drop like last 2 weeks

Posted by Klse1 > 2016-12-19 10:43 | Report Abuse

from 1.56 to 1.39...big player really pro

Posted by Dave Jet > 2016-12-19 10:45 | Report Abuse

Ya..be careful.. history repeat later.

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 10:49 | Report Abuse

stockraider, u should not buy a stock because it is trading below book value for the purpose of margin of safety otherwise u will never spot the difference between an underperforming and a growth company hence ur stock selection will cause ur portfolio to underperform in the long term.

Posted by yfchong > 2016-12-19 10:56 | Report Abuse

Lets see the start............ if rm to 4.80 just settle

Posted by Dave Jet > 2016-12-19 10:58 | Report Abuse

Better hit and run now......play safe.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 11:06 | Report Abuse

Starperformer comment,

dolly_chai, thank u for scolding me in Hevea board discussion which is based on youe own emotion than logical business sense. I believe most people in i3 can read more about my unbiased truthful analysis based on factual data and information. For the record, I'm only biased in eyes of Evergreen supporters and this is understandable. I don't uphold a stock if it's own fundamental is sound or better than the other competitor. It is perfectly normal if you would compare among all telco operators like maxis, digi, celcom, etc. before u decide which to go for. So in this case, I'm shaking off ur biased opinions towards Evergreen since Hevea is the closest competitor with almost same level of market cap which u have stated in the past that both are not direct competitor and I've uncovered everything based on factual data/info taken out from both companies annual&quarterly reports which pointed out they are exactly direct competitor. Evergreen is "kiasu" enough to compete with Hevea in 2 segments that are RTA and particleboard dominated by Hevea as well. You still want proof then plz check back my comments history and u can read all about it.

AIYOO U VERY CHIONG HAI LOH...NO NEED SAY U PANLAI OR DOLLY PANLAI MAH....JUST SEE THE SHARE PRICE OF EVERGREEN V HEVEA AFTER 1 YR MAH...!!
IF HEVEA...BETTER....THAN U SING SONG ....STARPERFORMER VERY PANLAI LOH...!!
NO NEED TALK 3 TALK 4...SAY PANLAI EVERYDAY COMPARE WITH EVERGREEN MAH...!!
NOW RESULT NOT OUT YET MAH...!!

HOWEVER U R ADVICE TO SING EVERYDAY THAT HEVEA IS GOOD BUT PLEASE DON COMPARE WITH EVERGREEN AFTER 1 YEAR LOH...!!

RAIDER & DOLLY WILL SING EVERGREEN VERY GOOD, BUT WOULD NOT COMPARE WITH HEVEA ALSO...UNTIL 1 YR LOH....!