Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 16:00 | Report Abuse

Be careful with his misleading future earnings guidance.

Compare...

EVERGREEN
P/E Normalized: 8.798
ROIC: 9.408%
EPS GROWTH RATE: -3.41%
NET PROFIT MARGIN: 9.294%


HEVEA
P/E Normalized: 11.209
ROIC: 21.282%
EPS GROWTH RATE: 13.803%
NET PROFIT MARGIN: 14.617%

Despite the higher normalized PE, Hevea does give a better return growth projection. Wait for the next corporate exercise for Hevea because the management has hinted to put the cash surplus into good use.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 16:08 | Report Abuse

stockraider posted by Dolly_Chai > Dec 15, 2016 05:42 PM | Report Abuse

you guys can see now why I said starperformer is a very biased person.
Actually he is not only a biased person, he is also not doing enough homework...
Why did I say so? he kept mentioning that Hevea and Evergreen are competitors to each other..
Let me ask him one question: Do you know what is the core business of Evergreen and Hevea?
I have mentioned it many times here but he seems to ignore that...

Ok, let me state in one more time... Most of Evergreen's sales are derived from MDF while Hevea is on particleboard.. if he does not even understand the nature of business between these 2 companies, where is his so-called logic? he is a real funny joker now...

Having said so, Hevea and Evergreen cannot be considered as direct competitors.
I know many ppl do not understand the difference between MDF, particleboard, plywood, veneer, timber, etc... for them, they will regard them as "wood" or "timber"... I hope starperformer is not one of them.. haha..

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Posted by Dolly_Chai > Dec 15, 2016 05:50 PM | Report Abuse

as I mentioned before, Evergreen is investing in advanced automated machines that is more efficient and will reduce man-labor. That is why they spent more money on the capex. For example, they are investing in an imported new machine that can churn out thinner board to serve niche market (with better profit margin)... they were not doing that in the past... but they are now moving towards enhancing the profit margin by doing a lot of internal restructure to bring down costs (if you follow their latest updates)... that is why i am saying that Evergreen is "transforming" into higher margin market.. so the earning growth will be seen in 2017, 2018.... and that is why I said investing in Evergreen will potentially give more return as investors like earning growth (with improved profit margin as well).

THE LONG TERM PROSPECT OF EVERGREEN IS GOOD LOH, AS EVERGREEN IS TEMPORARY SACRIFICE SHORT TERM PERFORMANCE FOR LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE RETURN LOH.....!!
19/12/2016 15:59

Posted by starperformersucks > 2016-12-19 16:21 | Report Abuse

starperformer... u really dun understand evergreen and simply say nonsense...

evergreen has bonus issue in 2015 thus impacted the EPS.. if u dunno, dun pretend like expert..

really sick of u... stop ur personal childish agenda here...

everyone knows ur purpose even though u lied to be noble.. pui~~~
sick of you... if not interested in evergreen, why spend so much time here..

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 16:41 | Report Abuse

Author: HLInvest | Publish date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016, 11:38 AM Results
Below expectations. 3Q16 core net profit of RM19m (qoq: 11.7%; yoy: -18.5%) took 9M16 core net profit to RM59.8m (-6.3% yoy). The results came in below expectations, accounting for 67.7% and 72.9% of consensus and our full- year forecasts.

Deviations
Higher-than-expected of effective tax rate (all wood-based industry players no longer enjoys double tax deduction on freight charges).

Highlights
QoQ… Although revenue fell by 1.6%, core net profit in 3Q16 rose by 33.4%, on the back of lower cost of log and glue in the Thailand region which all together more than offset lower average selling price.
YoY… Core net profit in 3Q16 dropped by 2.7% YoY to RM19.0m from RM19.6m which was affected by higher operating expenses and an impairment of RM3.1m of goodwill.
YTD… 9M16 core net profit declined by 6.3% to RM56.7m, mainly attributed to higher raw material cost and a hike in minimum wage (effective July 2016).
Going forward, we remain positive on Evergreen due to i) expansion of the new particleboard line in Segamat that will commence commercial operations by 2QFY17 ii) RTA line being automated and its operational expansion with a second RTA line which will commence in 2Q17 iii) benefiting from stronger USD.

Risks
Escalating raw material and labour costs;
Weaker-than-expected demand and selling prices for MDF; and
Delay in commencement of new production lines (in particularly, RTA and particleboard).

Forecasts
We lower our FY16 core net profit forecast by 7.5% to RM75.9m to reflect higher effective tax rate of 24% vs. 20% we assumed earlier. FY17-18 core net profit forecasts remain unchanged as we still believe strong earnings growth is on track, underpinned by the commissioning of particleboard and second RTA line, which will take Evergreen’s earnings to the next level.

Rating
BUY (↔)
We continue to remain positive on Evergreen mainly on the back of its turnaround plan and the commissioning of the second RTA line. The recent strengthening bias of USD will directly contribute to the topline positively.

Valuation
Maintain BUY recommendation with unchanged TP of RM1.48 (based on unchanged 11x FY17 core EPS of 13.5 sen).

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 17:05 | Report Abuse

reply from evergreen:

Good Day.

I’m Mary the Executive Director replying on behalf of Mr Kuo who is out of office currently. Thank you for your email and my sincere apologies for the delay in replying as I needed to verify some details before replying.

Below are answer to your question :-

The Middle East market remains a bright spot in the MDF industry and despite all the challenges, it is a growing market as previously closed markets like Iran (with huge population and pent up demand) become more open. There is increasing stability resulting in more rebuilding. As you know, MDF is a key beneficiary of improving housing and furniture market there.
With an established regional presence, EFB is not overly reliant on any particular country. Our wide market presence means we can quickly divert our products to countries with improving fundamentals. The Group is also actively moving to more downstream mdf products including furniture in order to broaden our income stream and to expand our market as furniture can be marketed all over the world. With our downstream products, we will be less affected by pricing competition as product differentiation is more apparent. In fact the ASP has actually rebounded and remains quite stable so far.

During 2014/2015, we have identified 4 critical operational areas which needed major transformation. These are mainly dormant plants, the particleboard operation, an MDF plant in Masai, Johor plus sawmill operations. Non-performing operations are costing the Group approximately RM3mil in monthly losses, mostly due to depreciation expense and sawmill cost. Management decided on relocating the Masai MDF operation to Segamat to gain synergistic savings by operating together with the particleboard operation there. The particleboard operation itself is receiving completely new state-of-the-art machinery which is designed to produce premium boards at high capacity. Sawmill operations has been scaled down and turn around. Other efforts taken by the Group includes expanding our downstream capacity by running automated furniture production lines which requires minimum manpower but with high output capacity plus upgrading finishing sections of existing operations to improve product quality at reduced running cost. We invest in technology as we believe technology is an enabler and output multiplier while reducing dependency on low-skilled workforce which is in line with government’s objective of reducing dependency of foreign worker intake and striving to achieve high income status. The efforts are at various stages of completion with the final one being the MDF and particleboard operations which will come online by early 2017. Our simple assumption would be that even if all the non-performing operations simply broke even, it would mean ‘additional’ profits of RM36mil a year. When one factor in the profits to be generated from these new and upgraded production lines, 2017 is when the Group turns a new chapter in its operational capability.

Therefore, we strongly believe it is the right time to relaunch our PB operations, as currently there is a general shortfall in PB supply, local Malaysian furniture manufacturers have been forced to source for PB from Thailand. Furthermore, our PB line is designed to run niche products which command better pricing with less competition. It will also support our diversification into furniture as raw material input. By 2017, EFB’s operations will be more complete and integrated. With a more comprehensive product range and efficient operations, EFB will be in a much stronger footing.

In the 1st half of 2015 (1H2015), the Group reported PATAMI of RM44mil, which is inclusive of RM3mil in forex gain. So PATAMI net of forex gain (operational PATAMI) is RM41mil. In 1H2016, the equivalent operational PATAMI is also around RM41mil. Barring significant economic or currency jolts, we should achieve comparable operational PATAMI in 2016 to 2015’s.
Should you have further questions, please feel free to forward us. Alternatively you could also contact our Head of Investor Relation – Mr Martin Leong who I have extended this email for any questions in relation to our operations and performance.

Thank you.

Regards,
Mary Henerietta Lim
Group Executive Director

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 17:07 | Report Abuse

Going forward, we remain positive on Evergreen due to i) expansion of the new particleboard line in Segamat that will commence commercial operations by 2QFY17 ii) RTA line being automated and its operational expansion with a second RTA line which will commence in 2Q17 iii) benefiting from stronger USD.

HEVEA PROFIT WILL BE AFFECTED GOING FWD LOH....!!
BCOS EVERGREEN WILL COME TO WALLOP HEVEA WITH PARTICLE BOARD & RTA LOH....!!

Posted by nich0las > 2016-12-19 17:18 | Report Abuse

Admin, pls do something. He post Evergreen in Hevea discussion. Wrong section.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 17:20 | Report Abuse

EVERGREEN LAUNCHED RTA & PARTICLE BOARD, WALLOP HEVEA....WRONG SECTION MEH ??

Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-19 17:41 | Report Abuse

who care about evergreen? i just care about hevea hahahaa..you talk much here about evergreen it is also useless. you are under estimated value of hevea and even gave the wrong figure, no need us to elaborate to you since you are so smart. continue to hold your evergreen ba, i am not interested on evergreen. lol ^^

Posted by jazzlee > 2016-12-19 17:47 | Report Abuse

S...... Super Stupid Idiots try to promote how sexy his wife is to all man in the street
if she is so good play gao gao yourself lah

Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-19 17:51 | Report Abuse

LMAO....

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 21:24 | Report Abuse

Andrewhlc, that stockradio idiot loves screwing numbers. He's living in self denial even after seen the facts lol. He is throwing tantrum lol. It's a widely known fact that Evergreen is losing grip so Hevea's stock price will speak for itself.

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-19 21:27 | Report Abuse

jazzlee, as I said before.. stockradio loves screwing with numbers. He screws it sideways lol.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 22:05 | Report Abuse

Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 19, 2016 09:51 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by Op3rs > Dec 19, 2016 09:46 PM | Report Abuse

i cant believe stockraider will end up being exactly like Calvin..


Hahaha!

What's wrong with Calvin solid performance. Better don't have a closed mind & act like 3 blind men:

GO CHECK THESE OUT CAREFULLY:

1) Super Enterprize made 200%
2) Pohuat made 200% (All furniture stocks bull run Calvin called to buy)
3) Silk made 200%
4) JAKS (Jaks jump, jump, JUMPED from 40 cts to Rm1.20 (UP A NICE 200%)
5) MyEG made 100%
6) AJIYA made 100%
7) Supermax made 100%
8) JERASIA made 100%
9) IPMUDA made more than 100% & LIMIT UP!
10) Pm CORP made 100% (3 Times in 3 years)
11) PRESTAR (Pre Star buy it before it turns into a Star) Made 70%
12) ASB (Up 50%)
13) KHEESAN Made 80%
14) PADINI made 90%
15) TAWIN (Big win) Up 80%
16) Kimlun - The Golden Dragon made 60%
17) THE STORE (Up 25%)
18) NTPM - (King of Tissue) Up 40%
19) WANGZNG - King of Fortress (Up 40%)
20) MAHSING - The Singing Horse (Up 25%)
21) MAYBULK - The rebound of Baltic Dry Index (Up 90%)
22) CEPATWAWASAN - Cepat cepat beli (Up 40%)
23) NYLEX - Up 20%
24) Southern Steel (Up 30%)
25) KULIM (Taken private) Up 60%
26) TMakmur (Land of Prosperity. Taken private) Up 37%
27) KPSCB (Kaboom Power Surging) Up 45%
28) MASTEEL (Master of Long Steel) Made 60%
29) THPLANT (Up 15%)
30) BPLANT (Up 12%)
31) JTIASA (Giant Treasure) (Up 40%)
32) MHC PLANT (Up 15%)
33) CPO FUTURE (Up 15%)
34) INSAS (Up 11%)
35) WASEONG (Up 20%)
36) MFCB (My Father Comes Back) Made 40%
37) Cyclical 11MP Election stocks KKB (Kaboom Kaboom Booming) Up 35%
38) Cyclical 11MP Election stocks CMSB (Up15%)
39) RceCapital (The Best of Banking: Legalised Ah Long) Made 60%

LATEST ANNOUNCEMENTS:

THE STORE GOING TO BE TAKEN PRIVATE FOR 50% PROFIT OR MORE THAN 18% FOR EACH YEAR OF 3 YEARS!!

AND PRESTAR WILL BE ANOTHER 100% JACKPOT SOON!!

SO 4 STOCKS MADE 200% (Super Enterprize, Jaks, Silk & Pohuat)

6 STOCKS MADE 100% (Ipmuda, Supermax, Ajiya, Jerasia, Pm Corp & My EG)

4 STOCKS TAKEN PRIVATE FROM 37% to 200% GAIN
KULIM, TMAKMUR, THE STORE & SUPER ENTERPRIZE!

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 22:06 | Report Abuse

Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 19, 2016 09:54 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by Op3rs > Dec 19, 2016 09:46 PM | Report Abuse

i cant believe stockraider will end up being exactly like Calvin..

And look at these GREAT STOCK PICKS OF CALVIN:

1) OPCOM - Optimal Coming Value

Opcom has secured Rm300 million job projects from Telekom. Already secured 30 cts solid profit for coming Special Dividends.

At today closing price of 60.5 cts (Net Cash Rm30 million) with possible dividend of 30 cts OPCOM should be valued around 90 cts

This Opcom is an outright buy till 70 cts. Just accumulate every month. A Sure Winner!



2) DRB HICOM

Cash of 13 cts already in the bag. From Rm280 million Price Gain of POS share price. Anything other profits will be added bonus: from sale of 8x8 defense tank, Proton Ertiga MPV and huge profits from Corwin sale. Apart from ECommerce DRB has puspakom as a monopoly. Bank Maumalat a rising Islamic Bank & other assets with total NTA of Rm3.16

And DRB has transformed itself into an ECommerce Setup through its 53.5% Subsidiary POS Office.



Assuming the lowest earnings of 13 cts from POS alone

These are the prices for DRB

At 13cts

P/E 10 = Rm1.30

P/E 15 = Rm1.95

P/E 20 = Rm2.60

Anything below Rm1.30 is an outright buy.

Regards,

Calvin

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 22:12 | Report Abuse

Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 18, 2016 11:44 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by cheshirecat > Dec 18, 2016 11:19 PM | Report Abuse

Hi calvin tang, i jus started to follow drb. Many things to get to knw abt drb. You said drb is an undervalue stock, may i ask wat wil b the potential upside or target price. Thank q.

Calvin replies:

I don't have a crystal ball.

So I cannot pinpoint the exact target price.

These are some yardsticks to measure:

1) DRB is unlike other conventional stocks as it is a GLC Govt Linked Stock. From last GE13 2 stocks went up

i) TIME.COM gone up from Rm1.00 to Rm8.00 (Up 800%)
ii) FABER (EDGENTA) Up from 70 cts to Rm3.50 (Up 500%)

So I think DRB should at least go up 100% to 200% from here due to Govt induced further profits.

2) Another way to value it is by NTA. DRB has NTA of Rm3.16
Since Ben Graham wants 30% discount to NTA as Margin of safety the yardstick is Rm3.16 x .7 = Rm2.21

So Rm2.21 is 30% Discount to Rm3.16. This valuation is too simplistic

3) The 3rd Valuation would be P/E ratio.
Assuming that DRB's Rm280 millions profit in POS share price rise will be reported as 13 cts EPS for February 2017

So if P/E for DRB is

10 = Rm1.30
15 = Rm1.95
20 = Rm2.60

Conclusion: This is my assumption based on

1) Political Factor
2) Undervaluation Factor
3) P/E factor

As future is yet unknown we can only look at its current & future business

a) DRB has 53.5% shares of POS. Pos price has garnered Rm280 million or 13 cts (still not reflected in balance sheet) This is positive.

b) Sales of Proton Ertiga yet to be reported.

c) Synergy with POS & JV with Alibaba. This depends on market mood

d) JackMa launching E Free Trade Zone March 2017. This will create awareness

e) Futher profits accrued from sale of defense tank (8x8), Sale of Proton Iriz as Uber taxi & increased sale of motor mikes due to loan limit raised from Rm5k to Rm10k

By March 2017 DRB's positive results will be out in the open. GE14 will come alive. And above all JackMa's E FTZ &2017 Being designated as Malaysia's Year for Digital Internet Marketing ECommerce Year will draw in Investors, Day Traders & Finally Greater Fools who chase other hot stocks like gadang, gkent, airasia & others at their peak.

Will DRB prices shoot past Rm3.00 & "experts" appear then to say DRB still cheap at Rm3.00?

It remains to be seen.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 22:17 | Report Abuse

posted by calvintaneng > Dec 17, 2016 12:54 PM | Report Abuse

Eliminating Middlemen

“The future is about cutting the middleman, and the existence of consolidators will be under threat,” he said. “Right now, we deal more with consolidators for parcels from China to the world, but understandably marketplace owners want to deal with logistic players directly.”

Consolidators collect and group outward-bound cross-border mail to specific destinations and negotiate special rates with the public postal operators to distribute the bulk mail in the designated countries.

Singapore Post Ltd., which counts Alibaba as its second-biggest shareholder, said a year ago it plans to expand freight services and warehouses in the U.S. and Europe as Asia’s emerging middle class drives online purchases from overseas.

“The potential is quite huge for e-commerce,” Lim Sin Kiat, an analyst at Hong Leong Investment Bank Bhd. in Kuala Lumpur, said by phone. “Clients are looking for fully integrated services, and it’s still a work in progress for Pos Malaysia to be fully integrated.”

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Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 17, 2016 12:55 PM | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/111896.jsp

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Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 17, 2016 01:05 PM | Report Abuse

Don't look backward.

Look forward!

Rm280 millions from DRB's gain in POS price rise will translate into at least 13 cts profit in DRB's balance sheet by Feb 2017 report.

And Corwin's asset sale will garner Rm529 million cash into DRB coffers to reduce gearing

Roaring sales of DRB's Proton (Suzuki) Ertiga MPV will create positive sentiments!

TO CROWN IT ALL

JACKMA OF ALIBABA LAUNCHING E FREE TRADE ZONE IN MARCH 2017 WILL MAKE ALL MEDIA, RESEARCH HOUSES, FUND MANAGERS GO GAGA OVER DRB!


http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/92608.jsp

Now that HEVEA have shot past 150 cts (Up by over 70%), many are going gaga over HEVEA now!

BUT LISTEN! LISTEN! LISTEN!

YOU WILL MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY BUYING UNDERVALUE DRB NOW THAN CHASING EXPENSIVE HEVEA NOW

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-20 08:21 | Report Abuse

lol What rubbish are u posting here? Post something related to the stock and don't try to promote other stocks or things here. Now what is to do with calvin tan and drb? Really speechless how idiotic stockradio has become. If u do not understand the "FACTS" that I've taken all figures and statements from quarter/annual reports of both companies then it shows u are living in self-denial everyday just to uphold something that is not proven or backed-up with evidence and facts.

Posted by zexon > 2016-12-20 08:51 | Report Abuse

1usd =4.4875 myr

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-20 10:25 | Report Abuse

Someone shared this in Evergreen's forum:

it gives us some good inputs to really think about it..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
it is about timing...

If you bought Hevea 2 years ago (before they transformed into a high earning company), yes, your timing is right as they started to grow.. you invested in a growing company at undervalued price. today, you gain handsome reward. But if you are buying hevea today (fairly priced in now), the share price appreciation is limited as there may not be much growth as before..

If you buy Evergreen today, 1-2 years later, they improved revenue and net profit hugely.. You are buying at undervalued price now. Is this a good investment?
Some star-wat joker said: wait till they fully transform and when earning improves, then only you buy (after 1-2 years), ok, then you will be buying at high price (fair price), not current price anymore.. See, this is value investment...

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-20 10:27 | Report Abuse

i agree with that, buying into a growing company is much better than buying into a "already" grown company... you wont see the magnitude of growth anymore in hevea, as compared to evergreen..
good sharing, appreciate that

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 10:28 | Report Abuse

Evergreen Starting to be slowly strong bcos major players are accumulating loh....!! Still long way to go up up...!!

Hevea technical strong but had weaken recently, bcos major players are distributing & slowly selling mah....!! Long term south & down down loh......!!

HEVEA PROFIT WILL BE AFFECTED GOING FWD LOH....!!
BCOS EVERGREEN WILL COME TO WALLOP HEVEA WITH PARTICLE BOARD & RTA LOH....!!

U better watchout if hold Hevea loh....!!
Bcos share price will fall bcos major player selling and profit weakening wallop by evergreen mah...!!

Posted by Tan Toh Fei > 2016-12-20 10:32 | Report Abuse

dun argue la, too much to read already in forum. everyone just share their own view and findings. buy or not is individual thing. u can discard any comment if u dun like it, no big deal. its like choosing a gf, both also have their good sides. for me i just dun like a gf who carry too much debt no doubt she looks gloomy and pretty.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 10:32 | Report Abuse

Posted by Dolly_Chai > Dec 20, 2016 10:25 AM | Report Abuse

Someone shared this in Evergreen's forum:

it gives us some good inputs to really think about it..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
it is about timing...

If you bought Hevea 2 years ago (before they transformed into a high earning company), yes, your timing is right as they started to grow.. you invested in a growing company at undervalued price. today, you gain handsome reward. But if you are buying hevea today (fairly priced in now), the share price appreciation is limited as there may not be much growth as before..

If you buy Evergreen today, 1-2 years later, they improved revenue and net profit hugely.. You are buying at undervalued price now. Is this a good investment?
Some star-wat joker said: wait till they fully transform and when earning improves, then only you buy (after 1-2 years), ok, then you will be buying at high price (fair price), not current price anymore.. See, this is value investment...

Posted by R3D3 > 2016-12-20 10:34 | Report Abuse

Stop feeding the troll who uses multiple ids.

Posted by Tan Toh Fei > 2016-12-20 10:36 | Report Abuse

to share something, lately i visited Giant and Tesco hypermarket for shopping. I found many new hevea products are bought and stored in hypermarket. I bought some hevea products as well to support my "company" as i feel the rta product is not bad. price wise also very competitive.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 10:38 | Report Abuse

Posted by iloveshare128 > Dec 20, 2016 10:32 AM | Report Abuse

stockraider, i think a "fair" comment would be:

- we do not know if Evergreen will eat into Hevea share market or not in terms of particleboard and RTA as there are different specs and types of these products. Market is huge so they may not be competing with each other. Moreover, Hevea's main markets are Japan and China but Evergreen is Middle East and SEA. So they are competing in different products and different countries. - but the fair comment would be, Hevea has seen its growth reach a certain level since 2012-2013 and the room for improvement is limited. The current share price is fairly stated. unless you buy the share before the "growth".

- but evergreen is in the "growing" mode and you can expect huge earning improvement in 1-2 years. So you should buy while it is undervalued now, before too late. So the room for share price appreciation is much more compared to Hevea. Got my point?

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Posted by stockraider > Dec 20, 2016 10:38 AM | Report Abuse X

But surely Evergreen would want to wallop Hevea market of RTA and Particle Board considering it is a very profitable market mah....!!

Evergreeny don need to confine to their market, now got efficient plant & machinery with big capacity, sure want to wallop mah....!!

On the otherhand Hevea cannot wallop Evergreen bcos no MDF loh...!!

Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-20 10:39 | Report Abuse

lets see the next quarter result whether is your evergreen better or hevea better, talk about long term 1-2 yr for evergreen with no dividend hahaha. i think next year hevea will get good return as compared to evergreen, extra cash in bank with good dividend payout. since you guys talk much here, i bought some hevea stock this morning. i will continue to accumulate when my money come.

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Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-20 10:51 | Report Abuse

after next yr if i think evergreen is better than hevea then i come to join u hahahaha

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 10:52 | Report Abuse

But u must be patience next yr Dec 2017 mah....!!

Posted by Andrewhlc > 2016-12-20 10:59 | Report Abuse

i will be there IF it can give me huge return hahahaha

Posted by iloveshare128 > 2016-12-20 12:58 | Report Abuse

in fact, we can see that Hevea has almost hit their bottleneck and the net profit starts to drop:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pumNiHY8EFs/WDQpldJtKwI/AAAAAAAARZY/rzslmtxyowg-GU6QycfAuTZTeLi5JANQQCLcB/s1600/2.png

you can see that their best performance was last year and i believe the growth has stopped

Posted by iloveshare128 > 2016-12-20 12:58 | Report Abuse

star-what joker, this is all fact about the declining profit of Hevea, right?
Do you still want to buy in a share that has been fully valued (after 2 years of growth, and unlikely to grow much in future)?
Hevea is no doubt a well managed company, but the point is about timing. Buying a share at high price is not wise, looking into the fact that their growth is not seen anymore.

Posted by bullorbear123 > 2016-12-20 14:00 | Report Abuse

Easy, for those who look down on Hevea, either you don't buying, or you can sell me at below 1.40. I don't mind collect it from you

Posted by Ezra_Investor > 2016-12-20 14:14 | Report Abuse

So many speculators, so little investors.

Posted by gogogogo > 2016-12-20 14:23 | Report Abuse

haha..just drop by to watch the show here..it seems evegreen kaki is fighting with hevea kaki now..kekeke

Posted by bullorbear123 > 2016-12-20 14:24 | Report Abuse

Nah, these bunch of idiots keep asking us not to buy Hevea or sell hevea buy evergreen. What are their intention? Do you think they are really that kind to help us? Or they are just having other intention? You said hevea is a fully grown company? How do you know that the company do not have any future plan? How do you know that they are not going to expand or acquiring other company to diverisfy their rich cash? So don't talk like you know everythingn you just predict only, unless you are the top management of Hevea. Between, there are some news going to be announced by Hevea after new year in January, so stay tuned

Posted by gogogogo > 2016-12-20 14:34 | Report Abuse

true bullorbear, i am not a fan of promoting my stock at other forum. only weak stock need promoting anyway.

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Posted by iloveshare128 > Dec 20, 2016 12:54 PM | Report Abuse

in fact, we can see that Hevea has almost hit their bottleneck and the net profit starts to drop:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pumNiHY8EFs/WDQpldJtKwI/AAAAAAAARZY/rzslmtxyowg-GU6QycfAuTZTeLi5JANQQCLcB/s1600/2.png

you can see that their best performance was last year and i believe the growth has stopped

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Posted by iloveshare128 > Dec 20, 2016 12:56 PM | Report Abuse

star-what joker, this is all fact about the declining profit of Hevea, right?
Do you still want to buy in a share that has been fully valued (after 2 years of growth, and unlikely to grow much in future)?
Hevea is no doubt a well managed company, but the point is about timing. Buying a share at high price is not wise, looking into the fact that their growth is not seen anymore.

RAIDER COMMENT,

HEVEA ALREADY HAD 2 CONSECUTIVE LATEST QUARTERLY EARNINGS FALL, IT SHARE PRICE IS VERY CLOSE TOO TILTING AND EVENTUALLY CRASHING LOH..!!

CERTAINLY EVERGREEN BETTER PICK LOH...!!
Strong USD
New Products Rta and particle board
New product more sizes of MDF available
More efficient with new machinery
Closing of loss making plant.

All this will support Evergreen earnings loh...!!

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-20 14:35 | Report Abuse

iloveshare128, u still haven't answer my question yesterday. Why are u skipping my important question? Here I ask u again:

iloveshare128, u keep saying I'm misleading. May u pinpoint which "thing" or "point" tht u are referring? I never create false facts or stories. All are figures & statements taken from all quarterly & annually reports. I've even included the references before. If u accuse me of misleading then u mean I'm falsifying data & information so does that mean the Evergreen company & its own auditor & related parties are falsifying accounting and facts as well?

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-20 14:42 | Report Abuse

Hevea's share price keeps rising so does it's net cash position at the latest reported data. The performance of the company's business is well reflected in it's share price. Needless to explain further.

Evergreen's mountains of debts keep rising while it's cash balances keep decreasing due to corporate exercises as announced. Is Evergreen a prudent and efficient company? Just paid RM 0.01 sen for shareholders in 2016 and the last time it paid out dividend was in 2012. Total debts stood at RM 216,585,000. Have u calculate how much the company is servicing it's debt borrowings and interest charges? Doing things at the wrong time during the country's economy in crisis is almost suicidal.

Still not clear?

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 14:46 | Report Abuse

Hevea cash big portion come from warrant exercise loh...!!
Not really generated from operation mah...!!

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 14:52 | Report Abuse

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WARRANT EXERCISE AT HEVEA LOH...!!

Additional Listing Announcement
HEVEABOARD BERHAD

1. Details of Corporate Proposal

Involve issuance of new type/class of securities ? No
Types of corporate proposal Exercise of Warrants
Details of corporate proposal Conversion of Warrants (HEVEA-WB)
No. of shares issued under this corporate proposal 4,869,100
Issue price per share ($$) Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) 0.2500
Par Value ($$) Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) 0.250

Latest issued and paid up share capital after the above corporate proposal in the following

Units 483,871,890
Currency Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) 120,967,972.500
Listing Date 06 Sep 2016

THAT EXPLAIN WHY HEVEA GIVE U GOOD DIVIDEND LOH.....!!
THEY JUST TAKE FROM THE WARRANT MONIES & PASS TO U AS A DIVIDEND LOH...!!

ONCE NO MORE WARRANT EXERCISE....HEVEA WILL CEASE PAYING GOOD DIV LOH..!!

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-20 14:52 | Report Abuse

sxckperformer, someone else already answered ur question on why you are giving misleading info in evergreen forum:

I copy and paste here:
star-what joker, you wrote something yourself but you are still not clear... 5 consecutive quarters with downward profit?

This is what you wrote right?

Financial quarter 30 Jun 2016: PBT 16,459,000 Net Profit 16,459,000 EPS 2.04 sen
Financial quarter 30 Sep 2016: PBT 16,880,000 Net Profit 16,880,000 EPS 2.06 sen

Can't you see the profit is improving now after the internal re-structure and expansion which started early this year?

You are indeed a joker.. isn't that misleading?

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-20 14:52 | Report Abuse

proven that you are giving misleading info.

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2016-12-20 14:56 | Report Abuse

aside to bullorbear123 who so-called has insider good news coming Jan 2017 for hevea...

u r slapping ur own friend sxckperformer.. why?

Coz your good friend sckperformer is doing this at evergreen forum. He pretended to be so noble (with no personal agenda) and to provide more info (misleading one) to evergreen investor..

why dont u ask him what is his intention? haha... How do you know they have future expansion plan? Evergreen management already announced their plan clearly and will achieve in 2017 (not secret) and you "assume" more growth for hevea without proof? "Assume" only ya...

bullorbear123 Nah, these bunch of idiots keep asking us not to buy Hevea or sell hevea buy evergreen. What are their intention? Do you think they are really that kind to help us? Or they are just having other intention? You said hevea is a fully grown company? How do you know that the company do not have any future plan? How do you know that they are not going to expand or acquiring other company to diverisfy their rich cash? So don't talk like you know everythingn you just predict only, unless you are the top management of Hevea. Between, there are some news going to be announced by Hevea after new year in January, so stay tuned

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 15:00 | Report Abuse

CORRECTLOH...EVERGREEN DIRECTOR REPLY OFFICIALLY & BRAVELY IN BLACK & WHITE, SHOW THERE ARE NO HIDDEN AGENDA MAH....!!

THIS SHOWS VERY HONEST & TRANSPARENT MANAGEMENT AT EVERGREEN LOH...!!

WE CAN SLEEP VERY WELL PUTTING MONIES AT EVERGREEN LOH....!!

Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-20 15:04 | Report Abuse

AIYOO...!! HEVEA SHARE PRICE COMING DOWN ALREADY LOH.....!!
OVERVALUE MAH.....!!

BETTER RUN LOH...!!

Posted by starperformer > 2016-12-20 15:05 | Report Abuse

Harlow...plz lah...don't spam the forum with repetitive nonsense. If u post facts to support or back-up your claims of arguments then ok but u are spamming lah.