Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-14 19:36 | Report Abuse

at CBIP forum, @joytay talk like PHD in agriculture , at jcy he turn to be electronic graduate, hard disk specialist, in so many other forum, he could be an economist, a banker, an expert investor, Actually, who s he????

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-14 20:14 | Report Abuse

@yippy68,

thx for the compliment.

i m just a trader/investor trying to make a buck in this market.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-14 23:08 | Report Abuse

@joetay..GREAT

Posted by curious2 > 2017-09-15 03:21 | Report Abuse

Loss QR 53.5 sen why world upside down? JCY is USD ctr now USD weakening worse QR coming?
http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/stk/fin/5161.jsp

Posted by king36 > 2017-09-15 04:09 | Report Abuse

joetay,

U hv a principle. Stick w it.
Buy or No buy, I like to weigh both sides of the logic.
Still wait & C.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 09:34 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

i suppose this is the best compliment you have given to anyone.

i dont think i m that influential like cmy to move a stock.

Posted by flyinghigh > Sep 14, 2017 03:09 PM | Report Abuse

Those mad dog have been barking here for so long, ppl c also scare how to go up...

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 09:35 | Report Abuse

@king36,

thx for the compliment.

just sharing my outlook on a particular share or industry.

i try not to get emotionally attached to any share or industry.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-15 10:23 | Report Abuse

@joetay ..good but keep cool, you can comment and same as Calvin, but please do not attack him on every of his post, ..respect people view,, he did not influence you to buy and same as you are not able to cause the market to crash. give freedom for people to say any thing in this forum, same as every body given it to you..proud and over confident of oneself will lead himself down to earth one day.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-15 10:26 | Report Abuse

as an very elderly man, trust my word.., i believe i have made more than you here...

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 12:02 | Report Abuse

of cos @yippie,

u been ard the market much longer than me, so most likely u have make more than me.

attacking others personally is never my style.

i present my arguments or call into question an argument put forward by others as in all my postings.

of cos, when povs r being questioned, there r some like tun @calvintaneng and @flyinghigh, who r not very acceptable of other povs. instead of discussing out the issues, decide to go into calling opposing povs as mad dogs.

but i believe ppl can think for themselves on which povs make more sense. i m only a trade/investor, not cmy or peter lim, so how to move the market????

i take it as a compliment when some who cannot present a coherent pov disintegrate into calling others mad dogs, it just validates my pov.

for me, i like others questioning my povs so that i can see things even clearer and be better able to trade/invest.

Posted by jerrynyew > 2017-09-15 12:27 | Report Abuse

Yesterday is not 0.535 how today 0.530 rose 0.005 just learning investment is not clear

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 13:01 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

why shld i be ashamed of myself???

if i sound like an old lady, then i must be one very rational old lady talking then.

compared to u, who isnt able to give me a proper counter argument as to why jcy is a punt and only resort to calling opposing povs mad dogs, so who is more sensible and rational????

jcy didnt even go up yesterday, so insignificant after coming all the way down from 0.75 of mid yr level.

till now, u still havnt given us an argument as to why u think jcy is worth a punt besides the fact that it is cheap and give a dividend.

any other positive factor u can give????

Posted by Lee Yeu Kin > 2017-09-15 13:11 | Report Abuse

Guys, please give constructive positive and negative comments and views pertaining to JCY only for the benefit of all.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 17:48 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

if u r talking abt shameless, u r the shameless one.

instead of rebutting my pov, u only know how to name call and play victim by reporting my comments as abuse, even though i never call u mad dog or shameless.

i can also play this game as well since u started it.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 18:03 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

since u r so confident of ur call on jcy, shall we have a bet???

i take the side that jcy cannot rise above 80sen in the next 6mths while u on the opposite.

this is healthier instead of u calling others mad dogs when they disagree with u.

Posted by officeman > 2017-09-15 19:49 | Report Abuse

It's always easier to comment than actually doing the job. That's why some can give free comments on how to run a better business than the major shareholders who own the business for many many years

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 20:12 | Report Abuse

any biz objective is to make money, same like investment.

management r paid to make money while major investors r looking forward to growing the biz and earn dividends. if the management cant perform and the major shareholders r unable to change biz directions, an investor will comment on what is wrong and if nothing is done to fix the issue, an investor will unwind the investment.

as simple as that.

Posted by 4444 > 2017-09-15 21:33 | Report Abuse

Loss RM 10 million why can up? Should be 30-40 sen only.
http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/stk/fin/5161.jsp

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 22:56 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

then why bother replying to a mad dog and looking at the posts???

this mad dog must be making alot of sense to make u so mad and now u just report abuse to any posts that disagree with u???

until now, u still cannot give me a coherent rebuttal except to call me mad dog.

why dont u start a blog calling me a mad dog in front of all the forummers???

u r very self contradicting.


and btw, i m a he.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 22:58 | Report Abuse

@4444,

why 30-40sen???

even though jcy is in a sunset hdd industry, the valuation u give is too bearish.

no wonder @flyinghigh is unhappy and reporting ur post as abuse.

lol.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-15 23:05 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

btw, can u give me a proper rebuttal on my investment pov on jcy rather than calling me mad dog and reporting all my jcy posts as abuse???

ur behaviour towards me doesnt show u in a good light to all forummers and just expose u as a ignorant and vengeful person who cannot hold a sensible discussion.

so how do u expect anyone to support ur jcy with ur behaviour???

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-16 05:57 | Report Abuse

@joetay, i see you have some problem..can i request you to stop posting in this forum and give those who have fate in JCY to have some peacefulness. No one needed your advice and teaching,..not many interested on your posting, we know what to do , thank you.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-16 07:52 | Report Abuse

@joetay, did you buy Masteel, senergy, hengyuan annjoo and hibicus recently, i didn't see you calling people to buy those share, you are wasting your time talking nonsense at JCY but missed those opportunities.. your are trader/investor, tell us what share you have, we follow you. Frankly, i just got sick of you continue challenging people here.how many JCY share you owned.?

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-16 07:55 | Report Abuse

time to keep quiet and take a break. let the market decide it value.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-16 09:58 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

like i said b4, i dont like to promote any shares i buy or sell.

but when i see ppl giving misinformation regarding a share or industry, i think it is only rite that someone voice it out.

would u like to be misinformed on a particular industry???

i dont.

thats why when tun @calvintaneng said montana has soybean growing/drought and how it will benefit cpo stocks, immediately i highlighted the fact that usda doesnt have records of montana having soybean and that dry weather is a normal occurrence in the soybean belt during this period . i believe u dont even know this fact.

i bot into elsoft/pmetal/gnb/bioosmo etc and sold some of them off for a very tidy profit etc but did u ever see me aggressively promoting the shares???

have i been advising or teaching others what share to buy and what not???

i only merely asked a question as to why jcy is worth a punt and pointed out that it is in a sunset hdd industry when the world is in ssd.

so is that teaching????

if i m talking nonsense on jcy, plse point out where is the nonsense.

if u r not interested in what u viewed as nonsense, then why r u following my postings on jcy???

like i said b4, i like ppl questioning my pov on certain stocks so that i can trade/invest better.

as an example of a stock i m looking at now is jaya tiasa. some r looking at a cpo angle, but i m looking at it from a timber pov and r asking for views as to why not.

same case for comparing lion ind and southern steel. after listening to povs on lion ind and southern steel, i decided to go with southern steel becos it suits my risk appetite.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-16 10:00 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

if u r sick of seeing me asking povs and being the devil advocate, then stop looking at my posting then.

i have my rites to ask questions just as u have ur rites to ask, not to reply or look.

obviously i brought up points on certain stocks which u never saw and thats why u r looking at my postings whenever i questioned a stock.

so in a way, u r very contradicting of urself.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-16 10:05 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

and oh yes, on hibiscus petroleum, i forgot to mention that i went in ard 20sen late last yr and got out ard 50sen early this yr.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 12:22 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

if u r so easily offended by someone commenting a verifiable fact on ur favor stock, u have alrdy committed the first mistake in investment. this is true no matter how long u have been trading/investing.

therefore, when someone like me comes along and commented truthfully abt a stock, u will label me as a mad dog as i have an opposing pov on the stock. i m not a vengeful person, but if someone steps on my toe, i will make sure that he will be embarrassed fully.

so who is the mad dog and irrational in the case plus starting and still continuing the name calling?

now, like i said b4, jcy is in a sunset hdd industry and unless it shift gear investing into ssd component making, it will forever be a laggard in the it sector.

to invest in ssd component making machinery, the jcy's net cash position of rm150m is not hardly enough to cover the needed investment unless it goes into borrowings or ri. and even if the investment is made, the gestation time will be ard 1.5 yrs, assuming fast. by then, the tech will have moved on again.

but till now, u havnt been able to rebut any of my points except to call me a mad dog.

if i m a mad dog, what does this make u then???

i have rude words for u unless u stop calling anyone a mad dog.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 12:30 | Report Abuse

and btw @flyinghigh, u r very contradicting of urself when u said

Don't argue with this old madog la... She is too free nothing to do that's y kept barking to u when there is some1 to bark at... I never read what she said.. from my posts u would be able to know that.. I'm not interested to waste time to read those rubbish she posted...

if i m barking nonsense, then why bother replying???

if u r not interested in my 'rubbish', then why bother reply???

obviously my 'rubbish' makes sense compared to ur senseless name calling.

and for the last time, i m a he.

so i suppose u cant read basic he and a she when written????

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 16:29 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

where r ur postings calling me a mad dog rather than discussing the merits/cons of jcy???

did u delete it???

so r u such a sissy???

man up if u r a 100% hot blooded male like me.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 21:33 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

why keep on deleting, copy and repasting the same 2 posts???

and where r ur previous posts calling me mad dog in the previous page???

r u so scared that i m so influential to push down jcy price by just saying that ssd is the future and hdd is a sunset industry???

lol

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 22:20 | Report Abuse

flyinghigh, flyinghigh,

now i post ur full post with timing, so pls go ahead and delete plus repost this post again like what @calvintaneng did with his jolin/calvin conversation at 9:55pm

lol

Posted by flyinghigh > Sep 17, 2017 09:43 PM | Report Abuse

When a company's result is improving that means they have done something which we don't know... the co. knows about their industry n how to tackle their problem..

I found that U ppl come here just to attack Calvin bec he had offended U'll earlier, not bec the company is not good, everything is possible, even a few cts stock like AHB which was in PN17 b4 can improve with shares price double and also PALETTE up 4 times within 2 wks.

Beware of barking bitchdog...

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-17 22:29 | Report Abuse

guys, leave him alone, don't response at all.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 22:31 | Report Abuse

and btw @flyinghigh,

i notice u like to scold others who disagree with u as a mad dog or bitch.

may i know if ur mother give u a good education???

only know how to insult ppl when someone ask u for a mature discussion

give birth to such a vague son, really is house door not fortunate.

i feel sorry for ur parents and if u have kids, u r a bad role model.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-17 22:33 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

ur good friend @flyinghigh obviously has no house manners keep on insulting, do talk to him.

he is a bad son and a bad role model to his young kids if he has any.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-18 03:37 | Report Abuse

@joetay, may i request you to stop all this war of words in this forum, i felt it is now your personal problem , you like to win, if you win, what do you get, I said to you many people are getting sick of all this nonsense, why can't you just take my advice and stay a side for a moment to show you can claim you are a well brought up kid and is willing to listen to elderly... when other has stopped, you are still posting. you didn;t answer my question, are you a share holder of JCY, if you are not, .why come here, if you come here because of Calvin, now Calvin has left to Dutaland., you should chase after him at DUtaland. thank you sir.

Posted by 4444 > 2017-09-18 04:00 | Report Abuse

HDD sunset industry? Must fast-fast sell. 30-40 sen sure come.

now, like i said b4, jcy is in a sunset hdd industry and unless it shift gear investing into ssd component making, it will forever be a laggard in the it sector.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-18 06:59 | Report Abuse

@4444, certain part of undeveloped country still has big demand on hdd. it will take some times to be obsolete.

Posted by Lee Yeu Kin > 2017-09-18 08:21 | Report Abuse

Well said Yippy68. This forum is for exchanging comments and thoughts pertaining to JCY not for personal warzone.

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-18 08:57 | Report Abuse

jcy management is capable to establish to this level, they are smarter than many of us to plan for next step. Businessman know how to handle crisis. they are many times better than you and me.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:20 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

instead of criticizing me when i merely voiced out my pov on jcy, why dont u criticize ur felliw jcy supporter @flyinghigh for insulting ppl???

so why dont u look at urself b4 pointing fingers at others????

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:46 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

now, let me ask u a question to ur pov of 'certain part of undeveloped country still has big demand on hdd. it will take some times to be obsolete.'

how big and the margin of such a shrinking segment of the developing????

mind u, the margin from such a developing is low and this will become a volume game for this strategy to be profitable.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:47 | Report Abuse

let me give u a simple example:

factors r ssd/hdd cost ratio is 5/1 and the developed/developing market ratio is 1/5, so i need to sell 1 ssd for every 5 hdd in perfect conditions of no distribution costs etc to break even between them. but the distribution costs for developing country is of cos higher than developed country among other costs, thus my margin as a producer is lower from a developing country. in the end, under my scenario, which market makes the higher margin assuming the volume of 1/5???? of cos, it is the developed market that gives me my higher margin.

now, secondly, for a developing country such as cambodia, laos, nigeria, kenya or mymmar, what is the purchasing volume like for tech gears???? for the few rich, they will take the highest end spec, even higher end than the average consumer in a developed country. for the still small middle class, they will buy a much lower end spec while the majority lower class will be busy trying to survive, let alone buying a tech gear.

so the demand for a middle of middle range tech gear in a developing country is very low.

so a tech product producer, who do u cater for??? of cos for the those who can afford the gears. and who r such consumers??? the developed market and the small but rich segment of a developing market.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:49 | Report Abuse

when the major producers of drives such as wd/seagate/fujitsu/toshiba shift fully to the production of ssd in the next few yr, maybe 2-3yrs, this will drive down the scale of economics and production costs will be on par or even lower than hdd. so by the time, the developing country who may successfully moved up the next ladder, the cost and producing structure will change again.

do u think this is the way ahead for a tech company who is not moving in tune with the market???

so what is the future for such a company if it depends on a market that is shrinking??? even if it ends up holding a monopoly on supplying hdd in a low margin market, is it going to survive in the long run????

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:53 | Report Abuse

@yippie,

i m going to be upfront, direct and rude to u. so my advance apologies for being so as i m such a person.

if u r a vet investor as u claim urself to be, then, u r a failed investor for not being able to think deeply enough to see all the pros and cons for a company.

u have alrdy committed the first mistake of any investor, and that is to fall in love with ur stock/position.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 09:55 | Report Abuse

@lee yeu kin,

pls have a look at my points for not being optimistic on jcy and the one turning this place into a warzone is not me but @flyinghigh who kept on insulting me as a mad dog.

and now, @flyinghigh had deleted most of earlier postings of insult.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 10:00 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

u really has no family upbringing.

so early scolding me when i put forward my pov on jcy.

now, if i m a bdog, then u must be an old stupid bmongrel????

so if i m send to a mental hospital, then u must be euthanized for being a stray then????

lol

remember, u started the insult, so i m just continuing the game.

so how mature u and me r????

lol

Posted by flyinghigh > Sep 18, 2017 09:55 AM | Report Abuse

This Bdog asked for it, she took it as compliment. Ytd she go n bombard Calvin continuously, n was taken as psycho.

She has nothing to do, too old n lonely go everywhere to look for ppl to fight. She dont know anything n is like a blind touching the elephant's ear n said it looks like a fan..

She should be sent to T.Rambutan, instead of barking n disturb ppl here..

Posted by Yippy68 > 2017-09-18 10:18 | Report Abuse

fully agreed. mentally unfit... is more like a badly brought up idiot. let him continue barking.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 10:37 | Report Abuse

Posted by joetay > Sep 18, 2017 10:34 AM | Report Abuse X

@yippie,

if i m barking, then why r u and @flyinghigh still replying and insulting me???

if u really support jcy, u shld be a matured adult and refute my pov.

seems like u and @flyinghigh just cant accept ppl badmouthing jcy, no wonder no one supports jcy when i pointed out the realities.

how do u expect ppl to support jcy when u cant even spin a convincing story????

so contradicting.

Posted by joetay > 2017-09-18 10:38 | Report Abuse

@flyinghigh,

be a good dog and tell us what r the good points of jcy.

u too, @yippie