Posted by kayyong > 2015-09-12 11:13 | Report Abuse

I hold more units than ivan 2222, my price not high but no low enough.
I think ivan2222 capital not big.If klci not up more than 10 points, c12
cannot reach 20 cents.If klci up less than 10 points, c12 maybe only
can reach 18 cents.I don't know goreng kaki.Before goreng, goreng
kaki sure collect low price.Hope I am good luck, c12 can up some
monday.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 11:20 | Report Abuse

I am speechless you guys punt so big on call warrants

Really dare Devils

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 11:24 | Report Abuse

No systemic risk ma. Punt big la.

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 11:26 | Report Abuse

alarmist propaganda? i dont need to backup my statement with sumthing from google... but based on real evidence

1) RM
2) oil price
3) Malaysia economy

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 11:32 | Report Abuse

make it simple, if everything ok our currency and growth will not be in trouble

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 11:41 | Report Abuse

Yayaya. Wakakaka

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 11:44 | Report Abuse

I think by next Thursday we should know the direction of the market.

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 11:45 | Report Abuse

Turning point will be whether fed will raise interest rates or not.

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 11:46 | Report Abuse

Right now oil price is hovering around $40-45, USD-MYR stagnant at RM4.30-4.35, political scene also not much developments. So we are waiting for fresh leads.

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 11:49 | Report Abuse

Vinoth. Fed raise rate is a sure thing. Only a matter of timing. US growth is very strong n healthy. The best in developed country. They cannot delay very far. Fed is to serve their own country. Not to bother with other countries individual problem unless the problem can spread globally to affect even themself.

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 11:49 | Report Abuse

Derivatives like C12 and HK is good for CIMB eventually though not good for the punters.

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 11:51 | Report Abuse

I mean if the fed defer's the interest rate hike to a later date, then global markets, including our KLCI, will have some space to move forward.

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 11:52 | Report Abuse

Tats is true.

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 11:53 | Report Abuse

At the moment, our KLCI has no clear direction. Both call and put also down.

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 11:58 | Report Abuse

Premium still high for C12. Down 10% is safer buy or CI must up 20 points.

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 12:06 | Report Abuse

Premium for c12 is only 26 pts lah.How can you say is high.But C12 can still go lower if KLCI go lower...

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 12:22 | Report Abuse

tc2012 it is true fear CI will drop lower like yesterday is always there; that's why I said C12 must go lower to be safer buy.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 12:38 | Report Abuse

really ? what about those that bought HG (for example) at 19 sen few weeks ago ? it went all the way to 57 sen highest.

did all profit go to the IB ?

think harder, be more sophisticated

You better stay away from the market if that is the way black and white u see things

btw, I am not flaming you

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Posted by rich_ > Sep 12, 2015 11:49 AM | Report Abuse

Derivatives like C12 and HK is good for CIMB eventually though not good for the punters.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 12:40 | Report Abuse

really ?

c12 has the lowest conversion premium of 1.5% vs others 10%

people give u a fat chicken and u asked for a turkey

think harder, be more sophisticated

LOL

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Posted by rich_ > Sep 12, 2015 11:58 AM | Report Abuse

Premium still high for C12. Down 10% is safer buy or CI must up 20 points.

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 12:42 | Report Abuse

Rich , if you think that KLCI sure to go south then putties will be your better choice than C12.Of all the putties , HG has the least premium 30 pts , HK 74 pts , H1 64 pts, HW 123 pts , HV 181 pts , H5 250 pts.....

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 13:02 | Report Abuse

Rich , at KLCI 1603, C12 intrisive value is 0.119 , current price is 0.155 , so the premium is 0.036 converting to pts (0.036*700) is 25.5 pts or 23.5% (0.036/0.15x100%).
If you own many stocks and you have strong fear downside for KLCI then it is more compelling for you to buy putties to hedge your potential losses

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 13:15 | Report Abuse

tc2012 your calculation of 23% premium for C12 is correct. However I think 10% premium for C12 to be safer which mean 13.5-14sen for C12 if CI remain and not drop lower.

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 13:15 | Report Abuse

Best is buy at 13sen lowest price for C12.

Posted by kayyong > 2015-09-12 13:42 | Report Abuse

I think rich don't know how to calculate premium for cw or pw.c12 low premium
but klci unlike hsi, can up 1-2 % easily.I bought too many, too early for c12.Both
klci, klci cw/pw manipulated.My c12 cost price not too high but I bought too
many.0.5-1 cents movement seems matter to me.

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 13:53 | Report Abuse

Kayyong , in my opinion C12 is the best value for money in call warrant at this moment.But unfortunately the bursa sharks overrule that

Posted by yungshen1 > 2015-09-12 14:24 | Report Abuse

icon888 how much fbmklci-h5 premium

Posted by rich_ > 2015-09-12 14:40 | Report Abuse

What will happen to those bought C12 at 24sen? They must hope CI to surpass 1690 until 31st Mar 2016 o/w they will lose money.

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 14:46 | Report Abuse

with the current RM and Oil price level it difficult for us to forecast KLCI will be above 1700, im afraid many will lose all money in C12...

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 14:54 | Report Abuse

The break even KLCI for C12 is 1629 at 0.155.So still can make tons of money around 1700

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:00 | Report Abuse

im refering to rich_

tc2012 wont be that easy, see current situation now the downside is almost guarantee compare to upside.

Posted by tc2012 > 2015-09-12 15:05 | Report Abuse

yes.I agree with you.I intend to sailang with putties

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 15:17 | Report Abuse

Worst case scenario, how low can KLCI go?

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 15:18 | Report Abuse

1200? 1300? 1400? 1500?

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:20 | Report Abuse

if new stimulus program to be introduce in our country, the effect will be in mid-term means 2-5 years from now to recover our economy condition... so it means all ur C things will be expired before tat... be scare

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:28 | Report Abuse

with all the data n real evidence that available, not to ambitious if we expect our klci will dip somewhere 1400-1500 level (if we are lucky)... because the downside have no limit

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:40 | Report Abuse

i dont know, whether retailer don't know the effect of our currency or still stubborn to accept the fact...

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 15:40 | Report Abuse

Kaki sailang, which put warrant you sailang? Care to share?

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:45 | Report Abuse

im divided my stock warrant portfoli, just look for put that have long period it will be more safety... "HG" very danger, don't go there... it will expired soon

Posted by tomjohor > 2015-09-12 15:47 | Report Abuse

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Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:52 | Report Abuse

tomjohor dont be trap, china stimulus program also no immediate effect.. it gonna be in mid-term same goes to malaysia...

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-12 15:54 | Report Abuse

What does the article say?

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 15:57 | Report Abuse

with the global slowing down and many country pin down one by one.. i dont think FF will rush to invest in Malaysia, its gonna take times... there are rules impose in FF operation, it not simply like us jump here and there after seeing green indicator... for them the risk must be near to 0%

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 16:16 | Report Abuse

Put warrants fans can go shop for coffin now. Wakaka

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-12 16:19 | Report Abuse

lets see coffin or coffee

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 16:19 | Report Abuse

Even Chicken Little also turned bullish

hmmmm.....

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 16:20 | Report Abuse

RM150k can buy a lot a lot of coffins, errr... I mean coffee...

Posted by runnerman > 2015-09-12 16:20 | Report Abuse

Pling lowest 0.1....after dat it will fly....neek week 0.12 or 0.13....after selling pressure is done..it will fly...look at krono n kanger..2 week pling lma selling pressure

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 16:23 | Report Abuse

sitting on Airasia at the cost of 83c... thinking of what price to take profit when all the crazy ikan bills chasing it...

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-12 16:26 | Report Abuse

pity those who listen to the clown and bought c12....

"no systemic risk in all call warrants"


laughdieme liao...

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-12 16:27 | Report Abuse

No wonder all the end of the world talk

Biased, not credible

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Sep 6, 2015 11:53 PM | Report Abuse

kaki_sailang : Dun Care what u all think, i already SAILANG everthing in PW... good luck to all of u :)