Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-11 15:58 | Report Abuse

newbie,

with the double hedge, i sleep real well at night

But no profit yet, because whatever made by H will be offset by C's loss, and vice versa. I am ok with that. I am counting on my stock portfolio to cari makan. The Put and Call as long as can break even, I am happy

However, if attacked by crazy bear, my Call will loss ALL its value, but my Put will score like crazy (for example, H1 goes up from 45 sen now to RM2.00)

that is when my Call + Pull combo will deliver a NET gain

the NET gain will then be used to offset my Portfolio loss

actually very simple

Posted by KopiPeng668 > 2015-09-11 15:59 | Report Abuse

danny兄，kopi有一点啦，一点而已嘛，泡kopi的没什么钱，买不多，哈哈

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:00 | Report Abuse

Icon is a strategist, very smart

Posted by KopiPeng668 > 2015-09-11 16:00 | Report Abuse

嗯，对的，tkp bro 卖burger,我泡kopi, icon bro卖榴莲的， 找吃辛苦啦～嘻嘻嘻

Posted by lengjoe > 2015-09-11 16:02 | Report Abuse

Fast fast sell to me.0.15 500k unit

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-11 16:02 | Report Abuse

but on top of the double hedge of 1 C12 matched with 1 H1, I have naked C12 bought this morning

Those C12 will be in same boat as bro tkp

At the moment, it is bleeding

Posted by kakashi > 2015-09-11 16:05 | Report Abuse

Haha...burger and kopi pulak...ok la, good luck guys...I am going off now...bye

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:07 | Report Abuse

ok, my 0.15 matched all liao, my burger profit enough for me to average down until 0.005, just need to sell more burgers lor, why worry, relax lah

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:08 | Report Abuse

my plan to to open a burger shop beside McD if i can make money from C12 lor

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 16:11 | Report Abuse

hk also follow c12 go holland... walao.. cimb really 'kick'

Posted by TengkuFaisal > 2015-09-11 16:12 | Report Abuse

"no systemic risk in all index call warrants" - icon8888 10th sept 2015 speech.


wakakakakakaka

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:13 | Report Abuse

ya, all this call and put warrant movement no logic one, as long as you buy at low, don't chase high, you should be safe

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 16:14 | Report Abuse

our pm really support klci gao gao... last week this time... klci blood bath... now.. keep sustain at 1600....

Posted by lengjoe > 2015-09-11 16:14 | Report Abuse

Why 0.155 sell 0.15 plssssssss....

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-11 16:16 | Report Abuse

鸡拜, 我输光了.

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 16:17 | Report Abuse

relax put player should be more realistic no gamble, be patient the effect of all COMBO in our economic still not factor in our index.... patient is virtue...

no contra or burn

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 16:17 | Report Abuse

im wrong lo.. that day go chase high... now bleed gao gao. haiz..

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 16:18 | Report Abuse

time will come soon... :) early bird sure huat

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 16:19 | Report Abuse

Hv, H4 , HK can HOLD... very cheap right now

Posted by Lee Jing Kun > 2015-09-11 16:19 | Report Abuse

Like sailang word.no contral or burn

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-11 16:21 | Report Abuse

I agree. Whenever I play Put and Call, I am guided by the following principle :-
(1) conversion premium must be low (then you are very safe)
(2) expiry must be reasonably long (C12 has until March 2016 !!!!)

C12 conversion premium now is (700x0.15 + 1520)/1604 = 1.3%

Very very safe

vinoth cheer up, you havn't lost (unless Index crashed, then sorry loh....)

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Posted by tkp2 > Sep 11, 2015 04:13 PM | Report Abuse

ya, all this call and put warrant movement no logic one, as long as you buy at low, don't chase high, you should be safe

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-09-11 16:22 | Report Abuse

wah !!!! I can't believe my eyes !!! Did you guys see all the buyers suddenly crop up ??

Our reinforcement finally arrived !!!!

Posted by Lee Jing Kun > 2015-09-11 16:23 | Report Abuse

tempting to go full and wait for next month to come...how how???haha..but will go lower or not wor???

Posted by lengjoe > 2015-09-11 16:23 | Report Abuse

Relax... This is a game just started....done at 0.15 500k now waiting 0.14 500k unit... Hope can drop^^

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:27 | Report Abuse

@ Lee Jing Kum, top up bit by bit before 16 Sep lah

@ lengjoe, good luck, very brave, hahaha

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 16:28 | Report Abuse

oil also to speculate will go down.... RM?...

Fed??

Posted by Lee Jing Kun > 2015-09-11 16:28 | Report Abuse

if 16 sept comes out bad and ugly, then really go jump river d.LOL..hahaha..

Posted by lengjoe > 2015-09-11 16:29 | Report Abuse

Tq tkq2.. Just my advices ..if u can using cash and keep buying at low=ubare the winner....don't using contra...before that I using that burn about 300k...now won't do that again...

Posted by mthc > 2015-09-11 16:29 | Report Abuse

C12 steady or not? I made some profit off this counter but idk if its sustainable now

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:30 | Report Abuse

no lah, even if 16 Sep turn bad, i think it will be just temporary lah, it will recover, worst case year end window dressing will push up lor, hahaha

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 16:30 | Report Abuse

the reason PW being push down, coz "they" want to collect... believe me there is NOTHING to stimulate our economic growth for the current being

Posted by mthc > 2015-09-11 16:32 | Report Abuse

I have to agree with sailang.. PW really pressured kaokao..

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:33 | Report Abuse

lengjoe, true, use contra/margin to buy call warrant is a bad idea, i never touch contra/margin, that my principal, at least can sleep well, worse case sell more burger lor, hahaha

Posted by lengjoe > 2015-09-11 16:34 | Report Abuse

Agree more rich ppl are throwing abit make scare .....that why always rich ppl can more rich..poor ppl are more poor

Posted by LookforFuture > 2015-09-11 16:39 | Report Abuse

this C12 will same like C4 0.075 n C8 0.060 . better sell all , wait and see cut loss 1st

Posted by tkp2 > 2015-09-11 16:46 | Report Abuse

aiyoyo, don't know don't simply hentam lah, C4 worth -0.15, C8 worth -0.3, of course they are trading at low price, C12 worth 0.12 now, how can you compare C12 to C4 & C8

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 16:50 | Report Abuse

bro ivan... u cut loss edi? still surviving? :)

Posted by Danny Kc > 2015-09-11 16:57 | Report Abuse

still holding 220k @ .205, newbie?

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 17:03 | Report Abuse

50k @ 0.22..

Posted by newbie1234 > 2015-09-11 17:03 | Report Abuse

walao wei... you all memang rich taukehs.

Posted by kayyong > 2015-09-11 17:26 | Report Abuse

I no sure how many c12 I bought.I should buy other cw or share.
c12 manipulated, goreng kaki successful press down the price.
If ci no rebound, monday likely cannot up.I underestimate its risk.

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 17:28 | Report Abuse

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/-20-oil-possible-for-goldman-as-forecasts-cut-on-growing-glut

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/goldman-s-next-11-markets-are-sinking-even-faster-than-the-brics


the reason oil counter goreng... of course BB want to dispose...

next week will be the disaster week....

C player, cut loss fast2

Posted by kayyong > 2015-09-11 17:38 | Report Abuse

Cimb klci cw/pw price manipulated by goreng kaki.Today i should dispose
c12 at 17 cents.Take money back, looking other cw or stocks.

Posted by Danny Kc > 2015-09-11 17:43 | Report Abuse

No should or shouldn't la

Posted by vinoth > 2015-09-11 17:51 | Report Abuse

Will CIMB press the price down to 10-12 sen on Monday?

Posted by kakashi > 2015-09-11 17:54 | Report Abuse

I went into HW...400lots... who want to follow me? If klse goes above 1630, sell away. If goes below 1600, accumulate more n ride the bear

buy now is risky cos global market sideways waiting for feds meeting. 0.333 is my base.
Anyone?

Posted by simonc > 2015-09-11 17:55 | Report Abuse

you can use this macquarie warrant calculator to get the fair value
https://www.malaysiawarrants.com.my/tools?sp=dwcalculator&ric=CWKL_ts.KL

Posted by kayyong > 2015-09-11 17:57 | Report Abuse

Goreng kaki press the price, not cimb.Cimb sold c12 1-2 days.
After sold c12, cimb lazy market making.Now c12 market marking
by shark/goreng Kaki.

Posted by LookforFuture > 2015-09-11 18:02 | Report Abuse

Monday should be more worse .... Fxxxk should sell it all yesterday at 0.185 .and buy back on Monday discount price

Posted by kaki_sailang > 2015-09-11 18:07 | Report Abuse

if u trap inside C, better buy P..