IOI PROPERTIES GROUP BERHAD

KLSE (MYR): IOIPG (5249)

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Last Price

1.99

Today's Change

-0.05 (2.45%)

Day's Change

1.98 - 2.05

Trading Volume

2,705,200

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dragon328

It is good to see EPF continue buying IOIPG shares after a short break.

But who is selling big these few days? Can anyone have any clue why the sell off is so heavy pressing the share price to multi-month low?

1 month ago

raymondroy

@dragon328 ..... your wish may actually come true, if management which is also major shareholder wants to take ioipg private, they will have little consideration to share price stability, as the lower it goes its works in their favour when offering MTO price... anyway market sentiment is bad and effecting all counters not only ioipg, so not fair to evaluate the price at this point, i thot there was good support at 2.18-2.20

1 month ago

dragon328

@raymondroy, thanks for the comforting words.

But just feeling bad for fellow investors who bought in after my Buy call and the share price started sliding down non-stop.

Myself is ok to withstand such short term price downtrend as I intend to hold it for years, but some fellow investors may have cut loss if their investment horizon is short term

1 month ago

dragon328

Looks like syndicates are quite determined to press down the share price to RM2.00 then RM1.80 for whatever reason. Just need to hold on through the rough ride, I believe we shall see clear sky ahead.

1 month ago

dragon328

Anyway it is not my wish for IOIPG major shareholders to take IOIPG private, just to make it clear. I want to invest in this company and ride on its growth for many years to come.

While it made sense for them to take it private, but I do not think they would do it.

The selldown in recent days could be done by certain syndicates or parties trying to press down the share price, and frustrate minority shareholders who will then go and vote down the Shenton House proposal in the EGM later.

It is just my wild guess, true or not, only time will tell. But it does not bother me as I will just hold on and ride through these few months of volatility. I believe at the end of the day, common sense prevails and fundamentals speak louder than any short term plays. IOIPG will see its bright day eventually as strong earnings growth kicks in.

1 month ago

newbie9893

Looks like support at 2.00 is breaking soon...sell & run

1 month ago

invest8912

The market gave it a middle finger regarding RPT. Ask yourself a simple question, if you get a project that can generate huge profit, would you share it with all the ikan bilis ?

1 month ago

dragon328

Yes that is the general sentiment towards RPT. IOIPG management should take note of such negative sentiment from the investment public and do the necessary to convince minority shareholders of the merits of the proposal.

Anyway disgruntled shareholders can just go and debate with IOIPG management at the EGM on the merits or disadvantages, and vote down the proposal if still not convinced by the management explanation.

1 month ago

dragon328

I think the sentiment will be different and positive if the share price jumps above RM2.50 by the time the EGM is held. Until then, we just hold on.

1 month ago

dragon328

IOIPG is on cheap sale now, with share price almost 10% cheaper than the price when I first recommended it.

With Shenton House parked under IOIPG and with Marina View Residences and IOICB start contributing earnings from 2025, IOIPG is on track to triple its net profit from currently RM800m in FY2024 to over RM2.4 billion by FY2026.

IOIPG is trading at prospective PER of just 4.6x FY2026 earnings and 4.2x FY2027 earnings. Buy!

1 month ago

dragon328

Big sell down last minute, should be by foreign funds. Will know it tomorrow.

1 month ago

troy88

wow, what happened to this stock? IBs gave such high TP but drop like no tomorrow. GG

1 month ago

raymondroy

@dragon328 ..... you are not at any fault at any point, you merely expressed your honest opinion using existing data and analytics.... its just unfortunate that the RPT came up and if you recall i also wrote a "scathing" review on the whole RPT act (which was a little extreme on my side as well), and now they have bought a loss making mall (tropicana) with very little commentary on the purpose, reason and how they plan to turn it around ...... LOL so how ... hang in there, cheers buddy

1 month ago

sg999

The selling is done by FF fund, you may refer to bursa report.
Support is broken on today, next support at 1.7

1 month ago

dragon328

@sg999, I cannot find the relevant report on IOIPG trading details in the link you provided above. Can you please provide a more specific link or extract out the relevant data? Thanks

1 month ago

dragon328

Otherwise, I will have to wait till tomorrow morning to see the summary report from HL

1 month ago

dragon328

HL data shows that foreign funds turned net buyers of IOIPG yesterday with a net purchase of RM7 million, while local funds became the net sellers with sale of RM8 million worth of IOIPG shares.

Interesting.

4 weeks ago

cantona762

dragon328, where to see this info? ok to share?

4 weeks ago

newbie9893

Price drop everyday till mother also cannot recognise...better kasih LD today

4 weeks ago

dragon328

I got the data from HL daily update messages via whatsapp.

I still cannot find the daily fund flows data in Bursa website, though @sg999 has sent me a link to Bursa that shows the weekly fund flows data.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

Ya it is disheartening to see IOIPG share price dropping everyday non-stop.

But now I don't bother much about who is selling or why they are selling, I just fall back to fundamentals. As long as the fundamentals of the company have not changed to the worse, I will continue to accumulate the stock. Better now when somebody else makes the effort to depress the share price for us to collect cheaper.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

I remember during the long rally of YTL Power share price, there were a few bumps along the way:

1) YTLP share price surged to a high of RM0.83 in April 2022 only for it to drop back to RM0.60 in June 2022

2) It rallied up to RM1.33 in May 2023 then got sold down heavily in June 2023 to RM1.15 due to the news of Singapore implementing Temporary Price Cap from July 23

3) It then rallied up to a high of RM2.20 in Aug 2023 then got sold down to RM1.80 in Oct 2023 for no obvious reason

4) It rallied up strongly in Jan 2024 to a high of RM4.24 and then dropped heavily to a low of RM3.50 in early March 2024

5) It further surged to a high of RM5.48 in May 2024 only to drop back to RM4.61 in June 2024

Some of the selldown was with no obvious reason, at least the reason remains unknown to me till now. So I will not speculate further who is selling IOIPG recently, as I will never know it exactly. Foreign funds sold some IOIPG some RM15m worth of IOIPG last week only to buy back some RM7m yesterday, so nobody knows how they will play it out.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

But to those short term traders or those investors with limited capital left to average down, the falling share price is devastating. You may want to adopt some form of cut loss strategy.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

I am pretty relaxed now and won't look at it every moment, will buy more when it hits some temporary bottom.

4 weeks ago

Permutation

@dragon328, Am I right to say that chartwise, the counter is now pretty bearish if not shitty. The counter is expected to trend lower/ side way in the short term before it gets better?? yes, the fundamental is still intact. Perhaps if one takes a 2-3 year time horizon, like you said, will see your return double or more.

4 weeks ago

cantona762

yeah. depends on your own strategy and holding power.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

@Permutation, I am not good at reading technical charts, but purely looking at the short term chart with MACD still in the 38th day of dead cross, the short term chart indeed looks bearish.

But any bearish chart may change to bullish if the stock price stages a strong rebound like >10% in a day or 20%-30% within a week. I have no crystal ball to foretell when the chart will turn bullish.

I am more towards a fundamental investor, my strategy is always buy on weakness and add more when the share price goes lower than my initial purchase price, as long as the company fundamentals remain intact.

4 weeks ago

dragon328

And do not forget a stock chart can be easily manipulated if the volume is not big enough.

A shortie can dump the share price to a level just to make the chart to send out a SELL signal, and the opposite is true.

4 weeks ago

stockpicker888

@dragon328 if a rise in share price is not supported by its fundamentals, any gain would only be short term (unsustainable run); vice versa.

4 weeks ago

stockpicker888

BTW, collected some at 1.97 today. All the best for those who stayed.

4 weeks ago

Permutation

@dragon, TQ

4 weeks ago

Eagle77

Next week 1.80 ⬇️⬇️⬇️🩸🩸🩸

4 weeks ago

raymondroy

5 up on friday positive sign indeed..... fundamentals intact thats the key (note : ignore eagle.... where ever he goes he is pessimistic, with no substance and data haish.... bottom feeder :)

4 weeks ago

Eagle77

1.50 coming ⬇️⬇️⬇️🩸🩸🩸

3 weeks ago

goody99

too bad it does not drop as severe as others

2 weeks ago

bullrun2025

@dragon328, what is the strategy now

2 weeks ago

dragon328

The selling today and last Friday was done by foreign funds due to fears of a US recession coming and escalating conflicts in the Middle East. Intelligent reports suggest that Iran will strike on Israel as early as today itself, this to me is the biggest uncertainty right now.

The fear of US recession is not my biggest concern as there have already been signs that US economy is in a bad shape. While this may have big impact on US/regional stock markets and currency movements, I do not expect it to have any serious impact on IOIPG's business operations and its earnings prospects.

As I can see some foreign funds were selling on IOIPG (net sell of RM8m last Friday, today could be more), I will stay defensive and will accumulate more towards RM1.80 which is the lowest level of the year and the lowest entry cost of foreign funds.

2 weeks ago

dragon328

As the deadline looms for IOIPG to hold an EGM to vote on the Shenton House proposal (by end Oct 2024), the management should have appointed an independent advisor to prepare a feasibility study report for minority shareholders to consider on the Shenton House proposal. I will wait for that report to be out and the date of EGM to be fixed to decide on next moves.

2 weeks ago

kkl123

Wake up IOI P
I sold simeprop. to support you here.

2 weeks ago

kkl123

Wake up IOI P
I sold simeprop. to support you here.

2 weeks ago

dragon328

HLIB raises tp for IOIPG to RM3.60 today. Nice

2 weeks ago

Zazzyy

2PiCk bird appear just a black crow. don’t bother just chirping .

2 weeks ago

bullvestor

Why is it cheap

2 weeks ago

goody99

刘镇东:柔新若能合作好,就能带动大马第二次经济起飞
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DH-OOV4Cg

In the video, he also mentions what the government is trying to do:
- raising wages
- encouraging women to work to increase family income
- welfare reform to cope with aging society

2 weeks ago

mineduit44

IOI Properties’ high gearing may swell with Shenton House project; shares down though analysts stay bullish.😔

2 weeks ago

dragon328

IOIPG has no issue of high gearing, it is more like certain parties' bad mouthing of the company's success in IOI Resorts City and Singapore CBD projects.

Assuming IOIPG acquires a 100% stake in Shenton 101, the acquisition cost would amount to SGD1.01bn, while net gearing is estimated to increase to 88.8% from 73.3% as at 31 Mar 2024. While there are persistent concerns among investors on the elevated net gearing level of IOIPG, I think investors should not be overly concerned about this. Firstly, IOIPG is expected to recognize substantial revaluation gains upon the completion of IOI Central Boulevard in September 2024, which should lower its net gearing. For instance, if IOICB is valued at the minimum SGD5.0 billion, IOIPG would book in a revaluation gain of SGD1.0 billion which will increase shareholders’ funds and reduce the net gearing ratio to 77% from 88.8%. A revaluation to SGD6.0 billion would lower the net gearing to 68%. Secondly, the group’s property investment and hotel assets are strong cash flow generators, which should help to service interest and debt repayments. For 9M FY2024, IOIPG registered almost RM250 million of segmental profits for its Property Investment segment. Added back depreciation charges of about RM50m, operating cashflows generated from Property Investment amounts to RM300m in 9 months, annualized to RM400 million. When IOICB is completed and tenanted out, potential gross rental income may top SGD200 million a year. Therefore, total rental income from investment properties may top RM1.0 billion a year.

1 week ago

dragon328

Furthermore, when Shenton House is redeveloped and tenanted out, potential gross rental income may be about 503,000 sf x 80% NLA x SGD14.00 psf x 12 months = SGD68 million a year. At the same valuation of 3%-4% yield, Shenton House may be valued at SGD1.7b – SGD2.2b. Injecting Shenton House into the Singapore REIT would bring in cash proceeds of SGD850 million to SGD1.1 billion to IOIPG. This would bring down the Group’s net gearing ratio from 77% (assuming IOICB valued at SGD5.0b) further to 63%. If IOICB is revalued to SGD6.0 billion, then net gearing will fall further to 56%.

1 week ago

Kikilala3188

Yes dragon328, these are the likely scenarios on table now

And thanks to HLB for weekend publication, things are positive for coming 10-12 trading days until the next QR release with dividend payout before Shelton EGM

1 week ago

raymondroy

i guess ioipg will have little option than to accept the offer to take up shenton house deal, as otherwise CEO will be in an awkward position of being in conflict of interest with his day to day job, besides im not sure his private company will have the muscle to complete the job anyway (wonder how he won the deal in the first place?) .... wonder also if the handover will need approval from the original tenderer? although no doubt.... ioipg is a strengthened purchaser with the means of completing the job ..... so all thats starts well ends well I guess :-)

from earnings perspective next announcement will be an uphill task of meeting with YoY results of 235m profit.... and surely the FY2024 will not be able to beat FY2023 results.... gotta beware of this .... happy hunting

1 week ago

dragon328

@raymondroy, I beg to differ on IOIPG's upcoming Q4 FY2024 result. IOIPG registered a headline net profit of RM235m in Q4 FY2023 due to some extraordinary gain of RM128m, striping out the EI, core net profit for Q4 FY23 was RM108 million.

I believe IOIPG's upcoming Q4 FY2024 will beat last year result in terms of headline profits as well as core net profit.

1 week ago

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