the bursa journey that worked for me. 2000-2019

2019 2nd Quarter Report for the BORNEO BIKERS GANG - Part 1 & 2

Philip ( buy what you understand)
Publish date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019, 04:08 PM
How to invest for the long game.

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My investment strategy is simple, and yet difficult.

I am to invest in a concentrated manner, holding a small number of stocks that I can monitor and understand clearly its long term prospects.

I buy stocks based not on the stock price, but on the viability of its business in growing and keeping its competitive advantage over a period of 5 years or more. In short, a wonderful, growing business. Hopefully, as I am still an amateur with only 20 years of investing experience, I hope to buy them at a fair price, failing which I hope to buy them cheaper than what my 10 year projections of the business will be. I will be wrong on many occasions.

I try to avoid buying penny stocks, startups, turnaround stocks, asset plays, politically connected stocks, and investment banker/shark promoted stocks. I will be wrong many times, but more because of not acting on those opportunities, and not because of making bad investments(hopefully). My investment strategy involves reading annual reports, market journals, news reports, press releases on many many stocks in the bursa market, with the mental model that all businesses in malaysia will be related in someway to each other (from developer to banker to contractor to business owner to workers to government bodies to import to export and so on). Out of these many businesses, using that framework of relatedness, I monitor a group of stocks which has shown a background of achievement, competence and business growth in a number of years. These form my circle of competence, which I follow closely.

When I spot a viable long term growth trigger for the business, and the share price is not too onerous, I buy the stock with as much financial might as I am able to muster.  I try to ride the stock like a bat out of hell, reinvesting all dividends and quarterly capital as I can reliably muster. At each quarterly report juncture, I read the quarterly report (usually starting from the back where all the juicy details are), and see if the stock has performed along my expected projections. If it has, and the investing public has not yet caught on, I buy more.

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The results of my personal legacy investments are as follows:

 

My personal investments:

Shares owned                             Company                                 Cost*                                   Market value

    2,010,500                          QL Resources Berhad                RM1,265,892                         RM13,751,820.00

    2,043,800                          Topglove Corp Berhad               RM1,340,796                         RM10,035,820.00

      665,400                           Yinson Holdings Berhad             RM789,900                            RM4,052,286.00

   1,090,000                           George Kent Malaysia Bhd         RM1,125,136                         RM1,231,700.00

 

Total shareholding value Q2:  RM29,071,626.00

               (RM1,000,000.00 margin loan minus)

Total shareholding value Q1:  RM25,816,225.00

                           Returns this quarter: +8.03%

               

* Cost includes all margin loan costs, interest payments, dividend reinvestments, monthly salary contributions, commissions from amway, year end bonuses, performance bonus, palm oil plantation returns, money drop from the sky, picked from rubbish bins, selling 4D private bookie activities(to company and subcontractor workers only - divested ) begging, mugging, borrowing, inheritence and so forth.

As you may have noticed from my portfolio returns, the total returns would be slightly less than 8% compared to last quarter, as there was infusion of funds over the quarter from my other active income to the tune of around 200K. But overall, the returns for the quarter are satisfactory.

 

 

On QL Resources Bhd,

the full year results are out, and I am pleased with the results. last year QL did 3.2 billion with 206 net profit. This year QL did 3.6 billion with 216 million in net profit. That is s a wonderful sign of QL keeping to their promise of a master plan of double digit growth over the next 5 years.


this chart shows the trajectory of QL performing on all quarters, with them making headway on the family convenience Family Mart (growing today at 108 stores, and expansion plans to penang, melaka and other places). They are targeting 300 stores long term and it is now self propagating, meaning no additional capital from parent is needed to sustain the business. With regards to their palm oil plantation and processing business, they have hit unheard of levels of efficiency, with 13.2% returns, even with the context of the lowest CPO pricesin the past few years. This quarter is a slow one, but I am very confident that next year with the  tokyo olympics 2020 happening in july, a huge jump in the export prices and demands of QL to japan would prove to be a huge boon in another double digit growth year next financial year for QL. After all, when you think about a moat, how many companies do you think produce surimi and frozen seafood in large quantities enough to feed all those tourists coming down for the entire of july-august month? QL is the biggest surimi producer in south east asia, and  long term growth triggers are looking wonderful.

 

 

Topglove corp bhd is an exemplary company in Malaysia which has a 25% hold of the world gloves  market. This company has a huge moat, where more technologically advance countries are unable to produce with the same gusto as topglov due to the ecological conditions of the rubber tree ( russia, USA and UK for example use a lot of rubber gloves but can never produce the quantity needed due to inability of growing their own trees), while countries which are rubber exporters (like india, brazil etc) are unable to compete with topglove (and hartalega) in terms of manufacturing quality/capacity/pricing due to first mover advantage. It is a very resilient basic business that is very difficult to break into, but the worldwide demand is growing at a huge 10% pace each year. ( http://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=1715667).

In terms of local production, topglov is king in terms of  production, hartalega is king in terms of nitrile R&D and production. Topglove has taken steps to solve that with their recent acquisition of Aspion for 1.3 billion, however it has hit a backwall due to production issues. To reduce the debt and gearing, topglove has raised bonds at a very low rate ( 200 million usd bonds at 5 year rates with a 2% FIXED interest) which alleviates the LIBOR floating rates and is half the previous loan rate interests of 4%. On top of that, bondholders hold the right to exchange the bonds for shares at a prevailing price of RM 6.20, which is managements method of protecting share dilution and earnings dilution for the minority shareholders.

I continue to be amazed at the quality of management shown by topglove, and am holding fast to my shares and enjoying my dividends as it comes. I have great faith the ability of Topglove to perform in the coming years. 

 

Yinson holdings berhad has performed far beyond my expectations.


They take very little risks, putting in tenders and charter bids with ironclad contracts that are give your free converted ships for penalties, and full payment for the ships with a good profit upon completion of project. They are also very good at sourcing out the most efficient and cheap shipyards to build and convert their ships  for FPSO purposes ( but definitely not low quality). For one simple example, after THHE is unable to complete the petronas project, it is novated to Yinson (marking the first journey for yinson into malaysia waters, which is ironic), and it is being done and completed far ahead of schedule. How is the conversion so fast? Wheres a company like bumi armada does their ship conversion and building at Keppel shipyards in Singapore, yinson does theirs at Cosco's shipyards in Qidong, China. It is done at wonderful speed and even more wonderful prices. Yinson prides themselves on efficiency, prefering to hire entire team from Norways Fred Olsen Production ( buying over the company), and letting them decide on the management and production matters, instead of trying to put their hands into the mix. I would say yinson has a wonderful moat in a management that chooses the right people for the job (instead of skin color) and does things in a conservative way (with good repayment to creditors and borrowers who then in turn feel more comfortable in borrowing even more money to them).

It is with this mindset that Yinson is now the sole competing bid for the brazil FPSO project "Whale park tender" (as the other competitor SAIPEM was unable to comply due to financial capability structure not fitting to Petrobas requirement.) Japans Modec has trimmed its scope for only 1 field in Marlim, leaving the room open for Yinson as the sole tenderer. Even more amazing, yinson day rate charter of 750,000 USD per day is almost 100,000 more than the previous bid by Modec for the field. If Yinson wins the bid at this price, it would be an amazing coup for the little bus company that decided to float.

In terms of projects bids, for the Ghana FPSO, yinson is a 2 horse bid with netherlands SBM, however Yinson has the upper hand with existing ghana projects while SPM has been trying to enter ghana market for years. So it seems chances are high that Yinson could end up with 3 major FPSO charter wins that will keep it busy for the next 10 years.

To recap:

1. Marlim 2 (pretty much guaranteed Yinson is only bidder) - 1.6 USD billion revised, initial offer from Yinson 750K day rate, renegotiated to 709K day rate. (2022 start date)

2. Greater Pecan FPSO - 2 horse race between SBM ( no existing exposure in Ghana) and Yinson (project win and good will earned from previous project in Ghana) (2022 start date)

3. Parque das Baleias FPSO - SAIPEM has been disqualified (leaving Yinson as sole tenderer) (2022 start date)

with these in mind, any one of these projects is expected to provide 2 billion each for time charter and O&M (if negotiated), which provides a clear return of 12% IRR, and additional total revenue of 24 billion MYR if all 3 contracts are won over the period.  

 

 

George Kent Malaysia bhd is an interesting company that I started a small position in with margin. It pays 6% in dividends, is now valued at 625 million. and has 200 million in cash. It has both a manufacturing/operational fixed income business in the water meters and water treatment plant concession, and also a specialized rail system contract in MRT and LRT as well as design and build contractors for hospitals and WTP.


Everything seemed wonderful, with a revenue of 616 million, 124 million in earnings, and a valuation 2.4+ billion valuation. And then disaster struck. Government change, share price crash, valuations inverted. The share price dropped from RM4 to RM1, estimates on the possibility of contract cancellation, MACC checking, golf buddy change were the rumour mongers of the day. It was believed that  GKENT is a goner.

How different is the outlook today. the water meter business is as resilient as ever, with big contract wins in hong kong and singapore. Finance minister LGE came out to renegotiate the price of LRT3 project, with the decision to downsize the project, reduce the number of cars, lower the costs and change the project from a PDP format into fixed contract sum of 11.6 billion MYR. In the end, LGE renegotiated and reawarded the project to the MRCB-GKENT joint venture as a fixed contract.

All the fears and problems that would be associated with GKENT are no longer in the horizon. The business fundamentals for GKENT is intact. Their cash position is as strong as ever. The contracts are flowing in. Now as much as ever is the time to invest when all the downside risks have be settled, as we wait for the revenue to come in.

Part 2 to follow.

 

Part 2 below:

 

My investment in PCHEM.

Shares         Company     Cost*   Market value

1,543,200  PCHEM RM12,692.450  RM12,993,744

 

As most would have realized, the dividends of rm0.18 was reinvested back into pchem at rm9.10, and I averaged down purchasing into 8.45. 

As this is a good opportunity to collect more PCHEM stock at low prices, I am certainly not complaining. If I was willing to purchase pchem at 9.10, 8.45 and below is definitely a good collection point. Why worry about the small differences in value? 

The original reason to purchase is still the same. IPIC is still ramping up completion phase, aramco is still sending their oil barrels over for processing, and Asia is still the fastest growing plastics, chemicals and aromatics consumer in the world.

The long term economics of the business is the same, and PCHEM will still be the most efficient producer compared to Korea, Lotte, china and USA in Asia.

Now, for the reasons that directly affect the share price drop off pchem recently: PCHEM management has ascertained that the drop is due to statutory shutdown and maintenance of plants as well as price competition due to dumping. These are all temporary and not a structural business competitive issue. The net profit margins are still impressive, and I am confident things will be very much improved in 2020.

As the reasons for me buying the business has not changed I will continue to hold and buy more quarterly.

A good discount is a good discount.

 

 

Discussions
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(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

Part 2 to come up next week due to some overseas commitments currently.

2019-07-01 07:45

teoct

Philip, thanks for sharing. Some dates (when bought) would help appreciate the returns better.

Have a good week ahead.

2019-07-01 11:00

titus

Hi Philip, if not mistaken, you have PCHEM previously. Have you sold it off?

2019-07-01 13:04

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

No it is in part 2, as part 1 is all my own stocks where I am 100% owner, pchem and stne are joint ownership with friends and family. I should be able to post it up today.

2019-07-01 14:05

GrahamNewman

Hi Philip, it was only today that I discovered there are indeed someone who are truly rational and intelligent in the local investing scene. I have been a user of this forum for the past 1 year and all I have seen are speculators.

I consider myself a greenhorn in the investing scene, starting only exactly 1 year ago, where i formed my own partnership with my family, so far the results have been average, about 14% return annually. I am admittedly in the Buffett-Munger camp in terms of investing philosophy, where I try to find the proverbial 50 cents(or less) for a dollar, the qualifying dollar being derived from earning power as oppose to hard assets.

Before I start putting my dollars into the market, I did some serious readings on the Buffett-Munger style of investment, some notable ones includes:

1. The legendary Securities Analysis 2nd edition(which I find the entertaining value to be on par with the philosophy value derived, B.G is such a good writer).
2. The intelligent investor(which the value lies in the margin of safety and Mr. Market concept)
3. Damn right! Behind the scenes with Charlie Munger
4. Poor Charlie's Almanack (his lollapalooza concept is absolutely wonderful, together with his mental model to understand the world)
5. Various partnership letters and later BRK letters from Buffett and Munger(which a heap of investing treasure trove are buried)
6. Michael Porter's treatise on competitive advantage(I find it good as a preliminary mental model, but not exactly practical)

and 30+ books on various industries and accounting(I'm trained as an engineer) which I find irreplaceable in understanding businesses. As well as business journals.

Wonder if you have any good reading materials to recommend to understand the various industries in the world?


Also, on your preference for QL Resources, I can definitely see the company quality in terms of management and the growing food industry, but I have trouble projecting such a high growth rate with such a long period into the future in my calculation of its intrinsic value to the extent I think the current valuation verge on a dangerous bet on a presumably bright future. The same could be said of Top Glove and Yinson, which I think the current valuation is just fair or slightly undervalued, but not exactly one to make a bundle. This is what I think of them as I also look at how these companies make use of their incremental capital(as oppose to old capital), which I deem a very important proxy for projecting future growth rates. Of course, I could be missing out in reading correctly their industry conditions but high growth rates for a prolonged period is an assumption that I can hardly make.

It reminds me of Buffett saying he could have made a small mistake by overpaying in the Kraft Heiz deal.

Anyway, please do not contrue the above as critisicm, I would love to learn your perspective on this as well.

2019-07-01 14:47

GrahamNewman

I do concur with your choice of GKENT(probably under the influence of confirmation bias) and the reasoning. I think it is one of the company with the highest return on incremental capital relative to price on BURSA.

2019-07-01 14:56

Outliar

Isnt this a quarter report? Nothing especially your discussion on Gkent talks about its quarter, all time low revenue since 2015, all time low NP since 2016, what are your thoughts about that?

2019-07-01 16:23

GrahamNewman

And it’s a shame that I did not have a few million to sink in the stock market at year 2000(damn I was still at primary 6 studying math), when it was considered the nadir of the millennium stock market.

2019-07-01 17:57

stockraider

Post removed.Why?

2019-07-01 18:51

stockraider

Post removed.Why?

2019-07-01 22:18

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

Every time I post and article, here goes stockraider with his rude and brainless comments and reposting entire discussions to drown out other commenters. Very rude and useless comments indeed. But worse when stick raider is someone who thinks sapura is a rm3 company in 3 years despite massive dilution, hengyuan with 35 and dgsb double share value in a month ( it has a reverse split). I wouldn't be commenting so loud if I was him, but he knows no shame.

2019-07-01 23:29

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

The buffett- munger camp is more the paying a fair price for a wonderful business.

Your concept of proverbial 50 cents for a dollar comes from the cigar butt strategy used by buffett-graham which I find is a very tired and dangerous strategy to use in Bursa, as the accounting systems here are very lax and there are tons of reverse takeover China companies and lax bursa monitoring so many companies appear to be deep value investments but turn out to be value traps instead.

Qualitative analysis is more difficult than quantitative analysis, but far more rewarding.

My advice is to not look at the numbers but to look deeper and find out what the numbers are telling you about the business.
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camp in terms of investing philosophy, where I try to find the proverbial 50 cents(or less) for a dollar, the qualifying dollar being derived from earning power as oppose to hard assets.

2019-07-01 23:35

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

I started making money in 2009, after losing everything in 2000. There will always be crisis and an opportunity to buy. The difference is how disciplined you are during the crisis. Do you panic? Do you buy more? It is very easy to use hindsight to say I should have bought then. But last year when oil was at its lowest, it becomes hard to throw in money at the lowest point in bursa in October 2018, where everything you touch has made money since then.

Discipline is key.

https://klse.i3investor.com/m/blog/phillipinvesting/188844.jsp

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07/2019 4:23 PM

GrahamNewman And it’s a shame that I did not have a few million to sink in the stock market at year 2000(damn I was still at primary 6 studying math), when it was considered the nadir of the millennium stock market

2019-07-01 23:40

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

This is my quarter report of my performance and what I think about the companies I invest in, and if the long term aspects has changed.

For gkent their past 2 quarter reports have said that contributions will come in at the end of the year from lrt3, as LGE only awarded the renegotiated contract at the beginning of the year. In construction it takes time to restart projects and get things going. Nothing has changed, except the share price being multi year lows lrt3 awarded and signed by Gkent and project claims coming in in q4 of 2019 and 2020.

It is pretty much guaranteed that lrt3 revenue and profits will come in. When revenue and profits pick up next year do you think the share price will go up?

If not this year, next year, if not it will be the year after. In either case, what is the possibility that the 11.86 billion will not be paid to gkent/mrcb and we will not be able to enjoy the additional 5.5b revenue/1 billion pbt in the 5 years to come? Additional 200 million from lrt3, mrt, the handover of the 2 new hospitals, water meter business, water treatment plant concession and enough money to bid for more projects in the coming years.

Investing is about the future, not the past. That is what makes it so hard and do worthwhile.

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Outliar Isnt this a quarter report? Nothing especially your discussion on Gkent talks about its quarter, all time low revenue since 2015, all time low NP since 2016, what are your thoughts about that?
01/07/2019 4:23 PM

2019-07-01 23:51

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

As for QL, it is a legacy stock for me which I started with 200k of my long term savings. My returns today is a result of quarterly top up into the busines. I have never asked anyone to buy QL, but use it more as an example of what a wonderful company is and why I continue to hold it as the dividend and share price increases year after year after year.

It is my first example of a ten bagger stock, followed by topglove which is also a ten bagger stock and now followed by YINSON which has now a 6 bagger stock( beginning of the year was rm4.08, today is 6.30) and I'm pretty sure it will be my next ten bagger stock sooner or later. I started it at 1.15 as well.

Each of which I continually add on my position every quarter instead of selling for quick short profits which I then lose in the next big "bet".

Few bets. Big bets. Infrequent bets.

2019-07-01 23:58

Sslee

Dear all,
Philip is spot on when he say “Your concept of proverbial 50 cents for a dollar comes from the cigar butt strategy used by buffett-graham which I find is a very tired and dangerous strategy to use in Bursa, as the accounting systems here are very lax and there are tons of reverse takeover China companies and lax bursa monitoring so many companies appear to be deep value investments but turn out to be value traps instead.”

I learned it the hard way on Xingquan where they can even fake their bank account, hence the important of attending AGM and ask the hard questions.

Thank you
P/S: It had been an uphill and a difficult long walk ever since I made my decision to seek the truth and nothing but the truth when I walk out from my first ever Xingquan 8th AGM (7th Dec 2016) dumbfounded that the BOD were lying thro’ their teeth, cheating and scamming the minority shareholders with impunity and getting away with it.
Refer Xingquan 8th AGM official minutes on BOD laughable replied:
1. On the loss of RMB 415 million to supply 3.6 millions pair of custom make shoes to government agency: Only during full delivery of 3.6 million pair, the group was informed verbally that the shoes were found to fall short of the specification of antibacterial and absorbent ability.
2. On the write off of doubtful debt of RMB157.5 million: It was prudent to make provision for doubtful debt on those who had delayed in payment for trade receivable for more than 90 days.
3. On is the cash in bank real or fraud?: The cash in bank was verified by the external auditors who had obtained confirmation and printed bank balances statement directly from the various banks, the low interest income because of low interest rate and minimum placement of funds in fixed deposit accounts.
No helping is the uncaring and clueless external auditors and independent directors dance to the BOD’s tune.

2019-07-02 09:14

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

To be honest, I am sorry to hear that. I have also fallen for such scams before so I know exactly how that feels. Worse is when I did it in 1997 and 2000. Lesson learned.

One thing I learned from Charlie munger is that there is a story behind everything.

Every accounting report, every financial report is designed to tell you a story about the business. It is not wise to project too much about the business, not is it wise to take the numbers in vacuum.

Charlie munger is famous for his concept of mental models, a latticework of common operating principles that we use to solve problems and understand situations.

The first rule is then not to take numbers and results in vacuum, but to link it back to other qualitative aspects like market demand, a sudden break in the Brazil dam that increase iron ore costs, the rise of technology, a market disruption etc.

It then becomes clear that instead of taking the easy Graham road of looking for the proverbial 50 cents to the dollar business(quantitative analysis of number crunching), we dig for the for truth behind that business (qualitative analysis) is the imbalance temporary, is there a market disruptor, did the dog die and Mr Wick coming over, etc.

Never stop learning my young friend, don't think that investing is such a simple road that just use numbers and projections to get the results you need. Investing I have learned requires understanding all the mental models from all disciplines (economics, biological, mathematics, physics, chemistry, architecture, accountings) and use everything to give you that intuitive feeling how a business would perform over the long term.

Just ask Charlie. He was a lawyer turned architect turned investor who got a military scholarship in physics, and attended class in biology and chemistry just for fun.

A modern day Benjamin Franklin.

2019-07-02 09:35

stockraider

Why did sslee fail on cigar butt when raider don leh ??

THE ISSUE IS ON SHARE SELECTION LOH....!!

DESPITE XINGUAN GOT

a} Huge cash
b) High Nta
c) Big profit & Low PE
d) Reasonable good consumer business

WHERE ARE THE FLAWS ON REDCHIP XINGUAN LEH ??

1. cashflow not good
2. No div & low div
3. Auditor not reputable
4. Business is in china but chose to list in msia.
5. Management very evasive loh...!!
6. Its cash at bank not verifiable

This is unlike Insas mah....!!
Management listen & respond to u...!!
Insas has more than 30 yrs listing record much longer than Ql & Nestle loh..!!
The cash is verifiable loh...!!
The owner is stingy but savvy like warren buffet mah...!!

U should pick counters like insas and mnrb as cigar butt play n not silly xinguan & msports loh....!!

As usual it is not so easy to invest, even if u use cigar butt investment play mah...!!

U need to have the right skill & do proper due diligence loh...!!

Posted by Sslee > Jul 2, 2019 9:14 AM | Report Abuse

Dear all,
Philip is spot on when he say “Your concept of proverbial 50 cents for a dollar comes from the cigar butt strategy used by buffett-graham which I find is a very tired and dangerous strategy to use in Bursa, as the accounting systems here are very lax and there are tons of reverse takeover China companies and lax bursa monitoring so many companies appear to be deep value investments but turn out to be value traps instead.”

I learned it the hard way on Xingquan where they can even fake their bank account, hence the important of attending AGM and ask the hard questions.

Thank you
P/S: It had been an uphill and a difficult long walk ever since I made my decision to seek the truth and nothing but the truth when I walk out from my first ever Xingquan 8th AGM (7th Dec 2016) dumbfounded that the BOD were lying thro’ their teeth, cheating and scamming the minority shareholders with impunity and getting away with it.
Refer Xingquan 8th AGM official minutes on BOD laughable replied:
1. On the loss of RMB 415 million to supply 3.6 millions pair of custom make shoes to government agency: Only during full delivery of 3.6 million pair, the group was informed verbally that the shoes were found to fall short of the specification of antibacterial and absorbent ability.
2. On the write off of doubtful debt of RMB157.5 million: It was prudent to make provision for doubtful debt on those who had delayed in payment for trade receivable for more than 90 days.
3. On is the cash in bank real or fraud?: The cash in bank was verified by the external auditors who had obtained confirmation and printed bank balances statement directly from the various banks, the low interest income because of low interest rate and minimum placement of funds in fixed deposit accounts.
No helping is the uncaring and clueless external auditors and independent directors dance to the BOD’s tune.

2019-07-02 10:07

stockraider

Hovewer I m glad recently to see sslee cigar butt investment has improved tremendously and this can be seen thru his positive investment with a big margin of safety, a real classic authentic right strategy based on Ben Graham investment principle loh...!!

This positive performance can be seen from Insas beating QL in terms of return on investment loh....!!

2019-07-02 10:18

(US/CHN trade war doesn't matter) Philip

Stockraider talks but acts differently. Dgsb 4.5 cents to 9 centre he say share price double in a month. Hengyuan he say intrinsic value at 35. Sapura he say is going up half a cent every day, very soon will be rm3 in 3 years 3 months.

Why did he keep posting and acting as if he never loses money? With his strategy he is almost guaranteed to lose money.

2019-07-02 10:58

stockraider

Post removed.Why?

2019-07-02 11:17

Sslee

Dear stockraider,
INSAS is cash rich with profitable main business (Stock broking and corporate finance advisory in promoting SME companies to list on the ACE and LEAP Market, Credit and Leasing, Properties rental income, Investment in quoted securities) and associate companies especially 600+ million INARI share that give INSAS yearly share of profit of associate companies and positive cash flow in dividend, sale of associate companies share. I trust Dato’ Wong and the account. I am waiting for 25th FEB 2020 when INSAS-PA and INSAS-WB expired and what Dato’ Sri Thong will do?

I also hold TAE as I like TAE dividend policy, trust the lady boss and the hotel division that provide recurring income and by the way Datuk Tiah is picking up TAE share from open market at the rate almost 2% in every rolling 6 month.

Thank you
P/S: Caution with Hengyuan, I do not trust the major shareholder and the management team.

2019-07-02 11:52

stockraider

Yes Sslee...i m happy u add on TA...i agree this is a good margin of safety stock loh....!!

Hengyuan need to be cautious, cannot be aggressive loh....!!
The profitability no good n owner not that transparent anymore ??

Thats why raider says u will be lucky if u get Rm 7.00 loh...!!

Posted by Sslee > Jul 2, 2019 11:52 AM | Report Abuse

Dear stockraider,
INSAS is cash rich with profitable main business (Stock broking and corporate finance advisory in promoting SME companies to list on the ACE and LEAP Market, Credit and Leasing, Properties rental income, Investment in quoted securities) and associate companies especially 600+ million INARI share that give INSAS yearly share of profit of associate companies and positive cash flow in dividend, sale of associate companies share. I trust Dato’ Wong and the account. I am waiting for 25th FEB 2020 when INSAS-PA and INSAS-WB expired and what Dato’ Sri Thong will do?

I also hold TAE as I like TAE dividend policy, trust the lady boss and the hotel division that provide recurring income and by the way Datuk Tiah is picking up TAE share from open market at the rate almost 2% in every rolling 6 month.

Thank you
P/S: Caution with Hengyuan, I do not trust the major shareholder and the management team.

2019-07-02 11:58

GrahamNewman

Well I do prefer the earning power route as oppose to the Low price to net current asset route that most cigar butt follower tend to adopt. And my 50 cents for the dollar analogy, where the dollar is derived from earning power as oppose to cold hard asset is different from the usual Graham follower. I must admit in the early months I was attracted to the Graham method but my thinking and temperament dictates earning power as a more sure fire way to evaluate true value of a company.

And indeed the 2018 GE panic did me a great help by making some excellent companies that are viewed as politically connected to get so low a price to the extent that the price reflected eternal decline in their business. Gkent is just such example. But from all the reports and the broader industry outlook over a longer time horizon, the reverse is true.

Anyway stockraider I have no intention of shaping my views on QL to your opinion. cigar butt investing is hardly going to work in the Malaysia market because even though the company has more net cash than market cap, u have to rely on the management goodwill to give that to you. It will work if you can buy your way to the board to decide your own payout, like Buffett did with Sanborn map in his partnership years. But as minority holder, you can dream about it.

2019-07-02 12:21

stockraider

Of course earnings power route is good, but when u pay Pe 50x for it is absurb & overvalue loh....!!

Thus raider is flexible on this matter as long as fall under raider margin of safety metric loh....!!

Cigar butts investment work everywhere in the world, just that in anything u do, u need a bit of patience & some skill to judge & select loh....!!

Posted by GrahamNewman > Jul 2, 2019 12:21 PM | Report Abuse

Well I do prefer the earning power route as oppose to the Low price to net current asset route that most cigar butt follower tend to adopt. And my 50 cents for the dollar analogy, where the dollar is derived from earning power as oppose to cold hard asset is different from the usual Graham follower. I must admit in the early months I was attracted to the Graham method but my thinking and temperament dictates earning power as a more sure fire way to evaluate true value of a company.

And indeed the 2018 GE panic did me a great help by making some excellent companies that are viewed as politically connected to get so low a price to the extent that the price reflected eternal decline in their business. Gkent is just such example. But from all the reports and the broader industry outlook over a longer time horizon, the reverse is true.

Anyway stockraider I have no intention of shaping my views on QL to your opinion. cigar butt investing is hardly going to work in the Malaysia market because even though the company has more net cash than market cap, u have to rely on the management goodwill to give that to you. It will work if you can buy your way to the board to decide your own payout, like Buffett did with Sanborn map in his partnership years. But as minority holder, you can dream about it.

2019-07-02 15:34

Jester

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2019-07-04 17:33

(S=QR) Philip

Updated my holdings in PCHEM.

2019-07-15 07:30

Sslee

Dear Philip,
May the Year of the Metal Rat bring you Good Luck, Good Health, Good Fortune, Plentiful of Laughter, Happiness, Success and at Peace with Oneself and Others. Happy Chinese New Year 2020

Thank you
P/S: https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/Sslee_blog/2020-01-22-story-h1482896892-Let_s_celebrate_the_coming_CNY_2020_together_with_well_wishing_of_Unity.jsp

2020-01-22 21:02

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